So i was conversing with a friend of a friend the other day, and the subject soon turned to music.
Them: What kind of music do you like?
Me: Um, Metallica, Megadeth, Slipknot, basically any kind of metal or rock.
Them: Oh, so you're like a goth.
Now this pisses me off to insane extent. If someone were to tell you that they enjoyed listening to RnB, you wouldn't instantly assume that they carry a large boombox, breakdance and wear parachute pants.
Needless to say, I abruptly told her that i was not, in fact, gothic, and that she was a stereotyping bitch.
Anyone got any comments?
Cheers,
Fluke.
I think you need to calm down abit. Calling her a stereotyping bitch is abit harsh and that's no way to get into her goodbooks! Perhaps you should instead kindly explain why you like the genre of music and why it is not linked to people of the gothic movement. Or you could just talk about Films, because films are good and you are not.
yeh man, perhaps she was just joking.
you shouldn't be so goth about it.
Quote from: CaptainBinky on Wed 09/08/2006 09:59:08
Quote from: Flukeblake on Wed 09/08/2006 09:51:18Anyone got any comments?
Oh, so you're a goth?
How did what i say imply that?
And BOYD, i know for a fact she WASN'T joking.
And btw, i did explain to her that rock music and gothic/emo lifestyles are different, but it annoys me all the same.
This pissed you off enough to call her a "stereotyping bitch"? Considered therapy? ;)
Just one question: what colour clothes were you wearing at the time, Fluke?
Start a blog and/or a myspace page.
You forgot the part where after the altercation you went home to cut yourself to ease the pain.
I've never actually had anyone consider me goth because I listen to much of the same thing you do. Then again I don't constantly wear black, dye my hair, wear 3000 chains all over my clothes, and eyeliner. To me this is more the goth lifestyle than the music you listen to.
Quote from: SSH on Wed 09/08/2006 10:30:09
Just one question: what colour clothes were you wearing at the time, Fluke?
My school uniform. Navy, light blue, and grey. Not a dark black in sight.
Dark black? :o
She was a bit stereotypical then.
I dare call someone goth when they've painted their face white and eyelines black or something, in addition to black clothes, black hair and a ton of chains hainging on the belt. Because that's what, to my understanding, a goth person actually is... I only have the black clothes and chains parts :P
Quote from: Ishmael on Wed 09/08/2006 10:57:01
I dare call someone goth when they've painted their face white and eyelines black or something, in addition to black clothes, black hair and a ton of chains hainging on the belt. Because that's what, to my understanding, a goth person actually is... I only have the black clothes and chains parts :P
Well said. :)
Does she know what a goth is? Does she know what any fashion movement is? If she's around the same age as you, I doubt she understands it very well. Instead of insulting her, you should have simply said:
"No, I'm not, because..".
Also, 'Blake. There's a difference between being Gothic and being a Goth. Before getting on your high horse, you should research the various styles.
That way, you'll look intelligent. Instead of looking like a mean-spirited, self-obsessed dick.
Like they said, there's two kinds of goth.
Someone who dresses like a "goth". (Although this in itself is a rather contradictive statement, as a goth in the seventies/eighties was someone who refused to dress up like the majority, however the goth look is now commonplace thus losing it's meaning of independence.)
Someone who listens to gothic music. This isn't the bands you mentioned. Gothic music is things like The sisters of mercy, Paradise Lost, Mortiis, HIM, Cradle of filth and Nightwish. I listen to some of these artists but that doesn't make me a goth, and besides, I listen to Keane too. (For example)
Them: So what kind of music do you like?
Me: Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Christian Death.
Them: Oh right, thank god you're not some Megadeth loving goth type. I hate those goth peoples.
Me: I concur.
I love Nightwish, and I am rarely called a goth. I am referred to as rather sadistic and disturbing though.
Does this thread makes you wonder WHAT you are?
I like Tiny Tim as much as I like Immortal, Korpiklaani, La Bouche or Lazy Town.
Oh, I always wonder what I am.
My parents call me deeply odd.
I know the feeling ;) I told a friend I liked Star Wars, he then replied, "Star Wars, hmmm, is that the movie with Samuel Jacksson"... that pissed me of for some reason ::)
Quote from: Flukeblake on Wed 09/08/2006 09:51:18Needless to say, I abruptly told her that i was not, in fact, gothic, and that she was a stereotyping bitch.
So...you're just you're run-of-the-mill sociopath then. Okay. ;)
This is how the conversation would go with me:
Me: So, what kind of music do you like?>
Fluke: Um, Metallica, Megadeth, Slipknot, basically any kind of metal or rock.
Me: Oh, so you like shit, then?
Quote from: monkey_05_06 on Wed 09/08/2006 16:34:29
Quote from: Flukeblake on Wed 09/08/2006 09:51:18Needless to say, I abruptly told her that i was not, in fact, gothic, and that she was a stereotyping bitch.
So...you're just you're run-of-the-mill sociopath then. Okay. ;)
Lol.
Me: So, what kind of music do you like?
Fluke: I ate her liver with fava beans and a nice chianti. Fffffff.
QuoteSomeone who dresses like a "goth". (Although this in itself is a rather contradictive statement, as a goth in the seventies/eighties was someone who refused to dress up like the majority, however the goth look is now commonplace thus losing it's meaning of independence.)
what are you talking about? A goth in the seventies? Gothic music is a variation of post-punk and dark-wave, which occur in and around 1980, starting with Bauhaus,Joy Division and The Sisters of Mercy. Being a goth is quite more specific than just being counter-majority in terms of fashion. The death rockers have their silly style, the german romanticists have their silly style, the ebm people their own, and so on.
What Helm said.
Besides, everybody knows being goth really has to do with sunglasses, suave tuxedos and fluffy mohawks.
http://www.ondarock.it/photo/bauhaus.gif
(http://images.musicclub.it/foto/ba/big/BAUHAUS.jpg.0.big.jpg.big.jpg)
sweaters, man. Sweaters.
Quote from: [lgm] on Wed 09/08/2006 16:39:16
This is how the conversation would go with me:
Me: So, what kind of music do you like?>
Fluke: Um, Metallica, Megadeth, Slipknot, basically any kind of metal or rock.
Me: Oh, so you like shit, then?
Who are you, The God of the fashion stuff, who says if something is shit or not? ;D
Quote from: [lgm] on Wed 09/08/2006 16:39:16
This is how the conversation would go with me:
Me: So, what kind of music do you like?>
Fluke: Um, Metallica, Megadeth, Slipknot, basically any kind of metal or rock.
Me: Oh, so you like shit, then?
Edit: Sorry, my opinion was deleted somehow when I clicked on "post"...
And I typed: "Are you the God of Fashion, who decides when something is shit or not?"Ã, ;D
Quote from: Helm on Wed 09/08/2006 19:35:00
what are you talking about? A goth in the seventies?
Yep, Bauhaus did first release a single in 1979, as did the Cure, and anyway are you telling me the whole early nineties grebo band thing started exactly in 1990?
Sheesh.. the only reason i said seventies was 'cos I knew I'd get some smartarse telling me it's not JUST the eighties, but it seems I can't win can I!
No gothicesque fashion occured until the 80s. The gothic thing is an 80s thing, what can I tell you, man!
Forget sterotyping bitches - LGM, you're a motherfucker!!!
:P
Fluke - can only hope you didn't just jump into calling her a floyd SB, because she may just be a little misguided and know little about what metalheads are actually like. But yeah, I suppose you had some right to be annoyed!
Thing is, you can't judge people. Everybody's different.
I've met preps that are the sweetest people. I've also met goths that are the nicest people on the face of the earth.
That said, there's a lot of mean people around too, but if you're nice to them, chances are they won't judge you.
You're wrong. All nice people are just pretending to be nice.
You're wrong. There are definitely genuinely nice people on this planet.
All of you quit being emo!
Being a Goth would take too much effort.
We're talking about Visigoths, right?
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Now this pisses me off to insane extent. If someone were to tell you that they enjoyed listening to RnB, you wouldn't instantly assume that they carry a large boombox, breakdance and wear parachute pants.
Needless to say, I abruptly told her that i was not, in fact, gothic, and that she was a stereotyping bitch.
Anyone got any comments?
Cheers,
Fluke.
RnB = Rhythm & Blues
A lot of times this term is used to describe a more contemporary form of music, much to my disgust. I've heard the term applied to what sounded like Hiphop/Rap. :P
The Beatles consideres theirselves as a group of Rythm & Blues, actually...
I consider Rhythm and Blues to be R&B.
I consider the newer, soft hip-hop type of thing to be R'n'B.
I also consider R'n'B to be sh*t, but that's besides the point.
R&B is a messy term, mainly due to the fact it's a quick paste over the older, and unacceptable term "race music". So I just don't use the term.
I think that anybody who dresses up in a certain way to belong has too less personality to develop their own style.
It's sad that e.g. if you like to go to raves, you have to look like a partly skinned bulimic pink teddy bear who had an accident with a nailgun, otherwise you're frowned upon by your own crowd.
Of course liking to go to raves is sad all by itself ;)
Quote from: KhrisMUC on Thu 10/08/2006 06:15:36
I think that anybody who dresses up in a certain way to belong has too less personality to develop their own style.
I don't want to belong, I just want to wear what feels good on me. And I end up looking half-goth...
And Nightwish ain't goth music. It's labeled symphonic metal in some places. If not that, I'd call it powermetal, altho a slower sort of such... but I'm no genre-scientist.
It's strange. Wearing all black doesn't make you a goth at all. There's a long way from generic black-wearing longhair to
(http://www.villa-vampyria.de/images/gothic/goth2_g.jpg)
and that way is paved in feathery silk and face powder.
Nightwish were a europower band formerly, now firmly in the ever-growing genre of 'Suck'.
Quote from: Helm on Thu 10/08/2006 12:31:22
Nightwish were a europower band formerly, now firmly in the ever-growing genre of 'Suck'.
True that.
Quote from: Ishmael on Thu 10/08/2006 12:07:27
I don't want to belong, I just want to wear what feels good on me.
Those chains you wear just can't feel good...
Quote from: Pablo on Thu 10/08/2006 12:55:25
Those chains you wear just can't feel good...
That's what YOU think >:)
goths were around in the 80's.
now they dont anymore.
emos are pricks.
Ah so you're emo, hammerite?
BURN!
You're right, all emos are pricks. Just like them niggers.
Is that supposed to be funny? It's not.
umm lol. dejavu. ;D
While I don't find Zooty's post earth-shatteringly offensive, I feel a little uneasy that the first person to laugh at it has an Al Jolson avatar.
I'm fucking metal.
Kill, kill kill. Pinch harmonic!
No you're not.
Is that supposed to be funny? It's not.
Kill all darkies
I am beaten.
Don't make me start pressing that "report to moderator" button.
Don't make me start pressing that lock button!
Oh wait!