Hey, I saw it, it wasn't so bad after all :-)
They shuffled some scenes from various albums (to introduce more characters in less time), but the story remains consistent.
The graphic style is a good compromise between the canon style and photorealistic CGI.
They turned Sakharine into a villain, but eh, could be worse.
Also the plot twists written from scratch (I won't spoil here) aren't too goofy nor cheesy.
I'm a Tintin fan, and I must say I was expecting the worst coming from Hollywood (see how they burnt the Smurfs license to the ground). But Spielberg and the crew did a good job here. You could even say he finally found here the space to do what he wanted to do in Indy 4 and shouldn't have (epic-yet-funny chases, anti-hero climaxes, etc.)
I've not read any of the Tintin comics (I was always more of a fan of Asterix, which was in the competing stack), but I thought it was good fun. I did get excited Indy style when he got on the sidecar :D. I was probably a bit tired beforehand anyhow, but I started getting a bit sleepy and waiting for it to finish near the end.
I don't know what happens in the comics, I guess they have it there, but it was a bit jarring to have "cartoon" characters shooting and waving guns at each other. I guess I am not used to that.
But yeah, fun stuff!
I used to watch Herge's adventures of Tintin as a kid..great stuff.. Not seen the film yet. I hope they don't ruin it like most things film makers attempt >:(
Quote from: Babar on Tue 01/11/2011 21:23:26
I don't know what happens in the comics, I guess they have it there, but it was a bit jarring to have "cartoon" characters shooting and waving guns at each other. I guess I am not used to that.
The Tintin comics can be jarring to today's audience in a lot of ways as most of them have been created even before the war. I mean many of the episodes not only have violence, but also all kinds of racism, animal cruelty (despite many of the animals having human like minds) and propaganda bits.
That's also why I think a Spielberg version can't possibly stay true to the original. :P
Quote from: Ascovel on Tue 01/11/2011 21:34:08
many of the episodes not only have violence, but also all kinds of racism, animal cruelty and propaganda bits.
Yeah but except for the very early ones (tt in the land of the soviets, tt in America, tt in Congo), where it's awfully manichean, in the following albums it's usually rather (more and more) subtle. Also Tintin never shoots a guy, even though the bad guys shoot at him.
I saw the movie and I thought they kept all that pretty well. I mean, they didn't turn it childish or excessivley dark. That's one of the reasons why I've been pleasantly surprised!
After all, Haddock IS an alcoholic :)
I THINK TINTIN WAS GOOD WITH ITS RACISM.
Nah, but yeah, it's unfair to all the scum people that read Tintin just for that.
Argh, I'm so sick of the whole "Tintin was racist/fascist/Nazi" chestnut being trotted out every time the character is mentioned.
Tintin went on for nearly 50 years, from the 1920s to the 70s. A few of the earliest albums aren't quite politically correct today, but it doesn't get much worse than "Oh, those funny black people sure are lucky that we Belgians are here to run Congo for them." You'll find stuff that is much more egregious than that in most other comics and cartoons of the time.
From quite early on in his career (starting with The Blue Lotus in 1934), Hergé was committed to portraying other cultures accurately and usually pretty sensitively, explicitly portraying Tintin as an opponent of racism. They could have done a straight-up, totally faithful adaption of the adventures the film is based on (1940-43) without much controversy at all.
Anyway, I saw the movie last week, and I thought all in all it was quite good. The action scenes were pretty Hollywood and stood out as having obviously been crammed into the plot, and a certain gag about belching felt a little broad and unrealistic, but other than that it was very true to the Tintin spirit. It looks like it's been a big enough hit in Europe that unless Americans stay away altogether, we'll be getting a sequel (Based on 7 Crystal Balls and Prisoners of the Sun, so they say).
Quote from: Snarky on Wed 02/11/2011 07:15:26
Argh, I'm so sick of the whole "Tintin was racist/fascist/Nazi" chestnut being trotted out every time the character is mentioned.
Yeah me too. Tintin was in fact very actual.
Maybe a lil' too much.
(http://www.free-tintin.net/dessins/crocgai.jpg)
Do they use this theme tune at all, a variation of it, or nothing like it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_EK_tFz9ug
(Assuming that's the TV series theme.)
No, but check out this: http://vimeo.com/30402976
Tintin is only live in Herge's book series.He have soulful there.Only Herge could create him.
Tintin is not live in : Cartoon,Film,series,.....
Quote from: Snarky on Wed 02/11/2011 07:15:26
Argh, I'm so sick of the whole "Tintin was racist/fascist/Nazi" chestnut being trotted out every time the character is mentioned.
Really? I thought it adds spice to the character's legacy.
I don't agree at all with your suggestions those kind of (currently unpopular) ideological bits are barely noticeable - they're everywhere, even in the character designs. E.g. when the villains drawn in one episode, we're shown a "gag" about the devil taking them to hell. There are surprises like that every few pages (at least in the Tintins I read - the pre-war ones).
Good to see some of you are liking it. I might go watch it next tuesday instead of waiting for the DVD.
QuoteArgh, I'm so sick of the whole "Tintin was racist/fascist/Nazi" chestnut being trotted out every time the character is mentioned.
Not to mention Hergé considered these first adventures to be his Old Shame and begged for them to be left out of reprint.
Edit: Soundtrack by John Williams? Ok, sold.
@m0ds: No. But the soundtrack is by John Williams, so I'd argue it's way better.
@Snarky: That's a fan animation. Just mentioning that in case anyone thinks its actually from the film.
Quote from: Secret Fawful on Wed 02/11/2011 15:43:09
@m0ds: No. But the soundtrack is by John Williams, so I'd argue it's way better.
I haven't heard the film theme, but I am confident that it's not as good. Because NOTHING IS!
Quote from: Secret Fawful on Wed 02/11/2011 15:43:09
@m0ds: No. But the soundtrack is by John Williams, so I'd argue it's way better.
I see. I haven't watched anything Tintin related since I was 12, which is what 15 years ago, yet I remember the theme tune to the cartoon like it was yesterday. J Williams recreating that theme (which I beleive is as memorable as Indy, jaws, etc) would've sold it for me. Too bad. I can't imagine people working on it didn't turn up humming that tune, typical Spielberg twist things to his own liking. I'm no big Tintin fan though, the graphics seem enticing, Tintin's voice doesn't..but I probably would have been persuaded to fork out cash if I'd had that epic theme tune to look forward to. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUOdA0wxudA
Anyway hope people enjoy it. Interesting to see how Spielberg's animated movie(s) compare to Zemeckis' I suppose.
Well, despite that, here are a couple links to some of the soundtrack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIE4eK7uYaQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIE4eK7uYaQ)
I don't know it is for sure, but the "main theme" or most recurring theme in the soundtrack occurs with greatest volume starting at 2:20 of this song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdLkB4IABu8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdLkB4IABu8)
This is my favorite piece of the soundtrack though. I think this one takes place during the flashback of Red Rackham's pirate ship battle. The music doesn't really START until 60 seconds in on this track.
Thanks Micheal...I'll have a listen asap :)
The soundtrack sounds nice, and I'm definitely watching the movie once it comes out on DVD. But I gotta say I am really attached to the theme from the series and am a bit dissapointed it seems to have been completely ignored, and not even used for inspiration.
Have seen it yesterday and I really liked it. The last part was a bit rushed, to be true, and it had it's silly parts, but overall I recommend it.
I saw it this evening. I was annoyed to begin with that it was nearly impossible to see it in 2D.
*Shakes fist at 3D cinema*
But I did manage to see it in 2D. I'd say that it was as disappointing as I was expecting, if that weren't a little contradictory.
I think that the spirit of Tintin involves peril, intrigue and suspense. This film is built around bombastic, comically escalating action sequences which have far less charm than those of Jeunet or Chomet. There's very little mystery, though there are couple of nice jokes.
But the biggest problem for me is the design and animation. The character's exaggerated proportions jar with naturalistic motion-captured movement. The camera is constantly darting about in a manner that's more video game than cinema. And most importantly, Tintin and Haddock's faces look very odd. There's something distinctly uncanny about their distorted half-realism.
I think animation should me animated. And films should be projected in 2D. And sound is a fad, silent pictures are where it's at.
Quote from: Ali on Sun 06/11/2011 01:16:33
But the biggest problem for me is the design and animation. The character's exaggerated proportions jar with naturalistic motion-captured movement. The camera is constantly darting about in a manner that's more video game than cinema. And most importantly, Tintin and Haddock's faces look very odd. There's something distinctly uncanny about their distorted half-realism.
Weirdly, I saw these as good points. I liked how 'real' they looked while retaining a somewhat 'cartoon' feel in the design and animation. The constant darting about of the camera was for the benefit of those watching in 3D, I think. If you don't like 3D anyway then you may not appreciate that, but I think Tintin made very impressive use of the 3D. Possibly the best I've seen yet (not that I've seen very many, to be fair).
I actually plan to construct a pair of 2D glasses, so I can go to 3D screenings without being annoyed by this stereoscopic nonsense. Tintin (for which there were no 2D screenings anywhere around where I live) wasn't as bad as some, but it's still an unnecessary effect that only detracted and distracted from the movie.
QuoteTintin is not live in : Cartoon,Film,series,.....
I have to disagree. Herge himself actively sought out Steven Spielberg to do an adaptation, but filming rights and the Indiana Jones films (along with ET) got in the way of production. He was actually looking forward to Spielberg handling the adaptation because he felt he would do it justice if anyone could. With that in mind, I'd imagine Herge would be quite happy with the end result and that his legacy will endure more or less unbutchered for an entirely new generation of children.
You can't say that of a lot of stuff lately, what with the remakes/reboots that completely piss on the originals. At least Spielberg showed some reverence for the characters and the source material, when we all know he could have completely trendied up the characters, made Tintin a modern anti-hero type that's so popular these days, made Haddock a teatotaler to avoid parent concerns about alcoholism, took out all the guns and basically turned it on its head -- but he didn't. In fact, the worst thing I've seen a rabid Herge fan shitsling about the entire movie is that:
A) It combines too many stories together (3, in fact).
B) Can get confusing.
Then you have people on the opposite spectrum saying the three stories weaved together quite well and that the entire thing flowed along at a good pace.
All I can say is that we should be happier when men with the kind of industry power Spielberg has take a MORE hand's off approach to the story adaptation and keep the screenwriters in line and faithful to the source material.
TIN-TIN is a bad movie. What kind of a brain is required to understand that. Well, unless you like Transformers. Then well.
I don't get the connection between Tintin and Transformers. Oh and it's Tintin, not Tin-Tin. And, well, I like that performance capture is being used to explore new ways of camera movement and cinematography. I don't really get the complaints against performance capture. Yeah, it's not hand-done animation. Yeah, it's relying on people's movements and not on cartoon exaggeration. And what of it. Tintin shouldn't be over-exaggerating reality anyway. He never did in the comics. Sure, the comedy was cartoon, but the movements and actions weren't.
What's a bad movie for you can be a great movie for someone else. It doesn't make them stupid. If you say so you're an ass.
Quote from: Secret Fawful on Sun 06/11/2011 13:32:33
I don't get the connection between Tintin and Transformers. Oh and it's Tintin, not Tin-Tin.
I think Dualnames sneaked in the title of the Bollywood giant robots film TIN-TIN (notice the difference in writing!), so that he could confuse everyone.
Quote from: Ascovel on Sun 06/11/2011 14:22:33
Quote from: Secret Fawful on Sun 06/11/2011 13:32:33
I don't get the connection between Tintin and Transformers. Oh and it's Tintin, not Tin-Tin.
I think Dualnames sneaked in the title of the Bollywood giant robots film TIN-TIN (notice the difference in writing!), so that he could confuse everyone.
Dual is a little devil for sure ;)
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12962/baby.gif)
Quote from: Ascovel on Wed 02/11/2011 13:56:38I don't agree at all with your suggestions those kind of (currently unpopular) ideological bits are barely noticeable - they're everywhere, even in the character designs. E.g. when the villains drawn in one episode, we're shown a "gag" about the devil taking them to hell. There are surprises like that every few pages (at least in the Tintins I read - the pre-war ones).
I was talking specifically about racism and propaganda, which were never really major components of the series, at least past the first two or three adventures. (Though the series does take strong political stances, for example against Japanese imperialism in The Blue Lotus.)
The example you mention doesn't seem to bear on that, and I can't really see how it's supposed to be offensive. Tintin didn't kill them, did he? I'm sure many cartoons and comics might do a similar gag today. Even so, I don't thinks it's representative. Now I don't have my albums to hand, but I'm pretty sure that stuff like this doesn't occur after the first few albums (at least in the redrawn color versions most are familiar with). Not because it's offensive, but because the series became more strictly realistic, occasional sci-fi elements aside.
Tintin was always a bit more "dangerous" than most comparable comics. This is a kid's series with drug smugglers and gangsters, where people do get killed on a regular basis.
Oh, I didn't mean Tintin is THAT offensive or has become completely inaccessible to the modern viewer. Not to me at least. But I can completely understand how some people don't always feel comfortable reading the series.
The example I mentioned is not a gag that might appear in todays mainstream fiction - it forces a particular religion's views and mythology on the reader within a non-fantasy, "realistic" story.
I think it happened in King Ottokar's Sceptre - the 8th episode.
Quote from: Secret Fawful on Sun 06/11/2011 13:32:33
I don't get the connection between Tintin and Transformers. Oh and it's Tintin, not Tin-Tin. And, well, I like that performance capture is being used to explore new ways of camera movement and cinematography. I don't really get the complaints against performance capture. Yeah, it's not hand-done animation. Yeah, it's relying on people's movements and not on cartoon exaggeration. And what of it. Tintin shouldn't be over-exaggerating reality anyway. He never did in the comics. Sure, the comedy was cartoon, but the movements and actions weren't.
What's a bad movie for you can be a great movie for someone else. It doesn't make them stupid. If you say so you're an ass.
Frankly, i find the inability to process the fact that tintin or TIN-TIN, has no potential as a movie created as all these franchises, before you even see the movie, a bit pathetic.
I am an ass, that is true. But we're talking about objectively good films. Tintin is a movie taken by a big studio, under a big name, and rebooted to the public. As every other film, it captures only those that mistakenly see the movie as something great. All the movie wants to ultimately do is make money. And that way they will sacrifice everything that the comic was good for. One of the few successful movies happens to be Batman. I can make a list of very bad movies that have been designed EXACTLY IN THE SAME WAY, and yes, sorry that I'm being in the ass in the process to have you see that well the majority of films is just to milk your wallet.
Look at the superheroes films. I mean. They are bad. Very. Spiderman isn't even funny!!! If there's one thing I liked about Spiderman it's that it Spiderman was a cynical bastard. And instead I get an emo douchebag.
I frankly care couldn't care less about realistic movement and other effects. Effects don't make a good movie, effects just enhance the entertainment. I mean, it looks very good, but well, that still doesn't put a smile in my face.
Also Tintin and Transformers have in common the following:
-They are both familiar franchises somewhat a bit forgotten when the movies were out.
-They both have Spielberg (OMG PLOT TWIST)
-They both hint a sequel , in fact THEY TELL YOU RIGHT IN THE FACE.
-They both try to destroy already fantastic TV series.
-They both have a plot where it changes every 2 seconds, showing they are trying to cram up so many things as possible.
SECRET FAWFUL: Please don't consider me an ass, this is just my honest opinion. I am not trying to insult anyone, but this attitude towards these films, makes me go :/
I'm afraid though that I'm willing to stand my point, regardless.
Don't let them get to you, Duals. They are only bytes in my computer program.
So Duals, your position is that anything that anyone tries to make money off of is invalidated as art or as entertainment?
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!
(PS: The TV series was just an attempt to milk your wallet, funded by people willing to sacrifice what made the comics great in order to do so.)
Quote from: Snarky on Sun 06/11/2011 23:32:48
So Duals, your position is that anything that anyone tries to make money off of is invalidated as art or as entertainment?
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!
(PS: The TV series was just an attempt to milk your wallet, funded by people willing to sacrifice what made the comics great in order to do so.)
Right, that was exactly what i said.
Quote from: Dualnames on Sun 06/11/2011 23:00:47Frankly, i find the inability to process the fact that tintin or TIN-TIN, has no potential as a movie created as all these franchises, before you even see the movie, a bit pathetic.
I am an ass, that is true. But we're talking about objectively good films. Tintin is a movie taken by a big studio, under a big name, and rebooted to the public. As every other film, it captures only those that mistakenly see the movie as something great. All the movie wants to ultimately do is make money. And that way they will sacrifice everything that the comic was good for. One of the few successful movies happens to be Batman. I can make a list of very bad movies that have been designed EXACTLY IN THE SAME WAY, and yes, sorry that I'm being in the ass in the process to have you see that well the majority of films is just to milk your wallet.
Look at the superheroes films. I mean. They are bad. Very. Spiderman isn't even funny!!! If there's one thing I liked about Spiderman it's that it Spiderman was a cynical bastard. And instead I get an emo douchebag.
I frankly care couldn't care less about realistic movement and other effects. Effects don't make a good movie, effects just enhance the entertainment. I mean, it looks very good, but well, that still doesn't put a smile in my face.
Also Tintin and Transformers have in common the following:
-They are both familiar franchises somewhat a bit forgotten when the movies were out.
-They both have Spielberg (OMG PLOT TWIST)
-They both hint a sequel , in fact THEY TELL YOU RIGHT IN THE FACE.
-They both try to destroy already fantastic TV series.
-They both have a plot where it changes every 2 seconds, showing they are trying to cram up so many things as possible.
SECRET FAWFUL: Please don't consider me an ass, this is just my honest opinion. I am not trying to insult anyone, but this attitude towards these films, makes me go :/
I'm afraid though that I'm willing to stand my point, regardless.
Fair enough. I think the movie and comic are good for their own separate reasons, actually. I actually find the animated series the most lacking in a sense of worth. I read the comic for the adventures, but also for a piece of the time period, as well as Herge's artwork, which is some of the finest, smoothest artwork I've ever seen. It has a huge impact on my own artwork. I could stare at a Herge comic all day. In fact I read Tintin 75% FOR THE ART. So coming from that standpoint, how could I POSSIBLY want to even look at the movie?
Well, I'm interested in and excited about the movie for entirely different reasons. For one thing, I'm extremely interested to see what Spielberg does with another adventure property. I love Spielberg's films and style and the look of his films and I really can't think of one I didn't like even in recent times except War of the Worlds. I wanted to see him get the CHANCE to take a crack at Tintin, especially as Herge gave him his blessing. I was hoping for a return to form and inventiveness for Spielberg regarding memorable fast-paced action sequences. I'm also incredibly interested in performance capture and think it presents a lot of exciting possibilities. Unlike most, I don't hate Zemeckis for using it, and even if it didn't work under his helm, I respect that he kept TRYING. I don't care if he failed. Failure is required for success. I don't get the uncanny valley problem, nor do I care about it. I don't even understand it. I also wanted to see Peter Jackson and Spielberg work together, and Moffat is an incredible writer. Everything I've heard makes me think this movie will deliver what I want: a Raiders-esque action flick that doesn't give you time to breathe. I don't want time to breathe with this movie. Shrug. I don't even want a backstory. I want Spielberg-action set pieces that I can walk out of the theater remembering, and I want performance capture that much closer to gaining respect.
I like ideas that don't fully work. I like it when people fight for those ideas and fight to get them to work. Motion capture is getting a lot of the same fire rotoscoping got back in the day, and rotoscoping has turned out in some incredibly quality work. Oh, and I wanted to hear John William's take on Tintin as well. Honestly, I could say this stuff about any property. I can say I'd love Spielberg's take on Batman or Scooby Doo or Heart of Darkness, etc. and a John Williams score to accompany. Because the plain fact is, I would enjoy seeing how it turned out, whether it worked or not.
As far as the animated series, I enjoy it, but I don't see a great deal of worth in it. It copies the comics to the letter, doesn't give me anything new or exciting to look forward to, and I would much rather look at Herge's original artwork on the still page than see it animated by people who aren't him. I credit performance capture at least because it's trying to take it as close to reality as it needs to be. Tintin in its purest form is a slight exaggeration of reality. It's not really a cartoon as much as it is a CARICATURE, and that's why it's perfect for performance capture, because performance capture works best as only a slight exaggeration of reality. Performance capture also works best with caricatures, not with cartoons. Gollum, emaciated and grotesque, is only a slight exaggeration of a sickly, thin, small human with more goblinesque features. A real actor could never play Gollum that close to the vest without becoming severely ill and in grave danger. Gollum is too much of a caricature to be portrayed accurately enough by an actor. I think the same goes for Herge's characters, who are all caricatures, sometimes to the point of being generalized, semi-racist figures. But yeah, I've rambled on enough.
Quote from: Dualnames on Sun 06/11/2011 05:03:32
TIN-TIN is a bad movie.
Someone who misspells the name of the main character is not allowed to give his opinion. On anything. ;)
Quote from: Monsieur OUXX on Wed 09/11/2011 16:01:28
Quote from: Dualnames on Sun 06/11/2011 05:03:32
TIN-TIN is a bad movie.
Someone who misspells the name of the main character is not allowed to give his opinion. On anything. ;)
I apologize, but well, ten-ten is how we call him in greece. And they usually had the -.
Quote from: Dualnames on Wed 09/11/2011 16:30:17
is how we call him in greece.
We call those Helados.
Quote from: Snarky on Sun 06/11/2011 23:32:48
So Duals, your position is that anything that anyone tries to make money off of is invalidated as art or as entertainment?
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!
(PS: The TV series was just an attempt to milk your wallet, funded by people willing to sacrifice what made the comics great in order to do so.)
Quote from: Dualnames on Sun 06/11/2011 23:54:57
Right, that was exactly what i said.
Quote from: Monsieur OUXX on Wed 09/11/2011 16:01:28
Someone who misspells the name of the main character is not allowed to give his opinion. On anything. ;)
Quote from: Dualnames on Wed 09/11/2011 16:30:17
I apologize, but well, ten-ten is how we call him in greece. And they usually had the -.
Quote from: Monsieur OUXX on Thu 10/11/2011 16:17:25
We call those Helados.
Well, in any case... (http://www.freewebs.com/spentertainment/MISC/surprise.jpg)
I can't wait to go see it :)
Cheers,
Myles Blasonato.
Quote from: ProgZmax on Sun 06/11/2011 04:23:51
... made Tintin a modern anti-hero type that's so popular these days,
Noooooo! I'm so fed up with anti-heroes. The good thing with Tintin - and most of the comic heroes from the belgian-french school - is that he's genuinely kind and warm hearted.
I guess it's cool that Marvel and the guys started exploring the anti-heroic concept back in the sixties, when most protagonists were still nice guys, but since then there's just been too much of it. We need new anti-anti-heroes.
Gonna see Tintin soon, btw.
I watched it a second time today, it's still awesome.
I think you'll enjoy it, Andail. It's one of the few movies this year I'd like to get on dvd to watch on my projection screen.