Two woman kissing, why the turn on? (warning, this thread might offend)

[EagerMind]

Heterosexual pornography, made and marketed for the average Joe Sixpack, gives us the fantasy of "Lesbianism" as an act rather than a lifestyle. Sure, these girls will engage in various sexual acts together but they'll also invite any wandering Joe who happens past to join them.

I think this is the real attraction, vice the actual act of lesbianism. In general, men are much more stimulated by visuals than woman. Hence the success of the porn industry. And what's better than one gorgeous woman? Two gorgeous woman! (or three, or four, or ...) Look at how lesbians are portrayed in popular culture: two provocatively-dressed, drop-dead bombshells that can't keep their hands off each other, and just waiting for some stud to get in the middle. And of course, in the man's fantasy, that "stud" is himself.

I think if a man actually bumped into some lesbians, the reality wouldn't be erotic at all. Not to put Sir B on the spot, but look at his comment about the "butch" ladies, who probably wouldn't even give a man a or first look (it's ok B, I agree with you. ). I'd say that's closer to reality than pornstars making out.

Sexuality and arousal have a lot more to them than simple visuals. Situation and circumstance are very important.

Of course. If it was just about looks, men would never settle down. But come on, even when you're in a relationship, are you telling me you don't look? (I do .) Fundamentally it's how men are wired. And the unfortunate truth is, I think a fair number of men - actually, I know a few - will cheat on their wives/girlfriends to be with a beautiful woman. (I don't!)

What the hell defines an attractive person? .... Honestly I'd rather look at a flat-chested chick that I at least know is REAL than look at some plastic Barbie doll. But like I said...it's all personal preference.

But you're assuming that the big-chested women has fake boobs. All things being equal - or heck, even if you just knew they were real - who would you prefer? I'm not trying to put you on the spot either, monkey, I'm just trying to level the playing field. Heck, I agree that big, fake boobs are unattractive. But is it because they're big, or because they look fake?

[earlwood]

Degenerates! The whole lot of you.

[monkey0506]

It depends really. I think there is definitely a point when...the size exceeds the attractiveness. But just because they are large doesn't mean they are unattractive. For me there's just a point when, even if they are real...they can still be...unattractively large....o.0

[The Inquisitive Stranger]

When I say man-looking women I mean lesbian women delibarately dressing themselves as men, cutting their hair short and ... yeah, slightly butch too. Not talking about butch women dressing as womenÃ, 

Huh? What do you mean, dressing as men? Like, wearing pants and stuff? And what's wrong with women having short hair?

[Erenan]

Sexuality and arousal have a lot more to them than simple visuals. Situation and circumstance are very important.

Of course. If it was just about looks, men would never settle down. But come on, even when you're in a relationship, are you telling me you don't look? (I do .) Fundamentally it's how men are wired. And the unfortunate truth is, I think a fair number of men - actually, I know a few - will cheat on their wives/girlfriends to be with a beautiful woman. (I don't!)

No, I'm not telling you I don't or wouldn't look. I never said visuals had nothing to do with it. My point was just that the logic isn't so simple as:

1 female (or male, for heterosexual women) = arousal x 1
2 females (ditto) = arousal x 2

I was simply arguing against the idea that a woman not being doubly turned on by seeing twice the number of men is freakish. But that might have been a joke anyway.

[DGMacphee]

Although there's a lot of talk about eroticism of two women getting it on, I also think some men find it (on a subconscious level) frightening. Mainly because I think men see lesbianism as something that put them in a somewhat obsolete category in regards to pleasuring a women. After all, I do think a woman knows her way around another woman's body better than a man does. Not only that, women seem to relate on more emotional levels together than men can understand. I think this intensifies the attraction and the bond between women and creates a blockage or sense of alienation in men.

I tend to think the sense of alienation creates a yearning. Consider it a barrier that increases sexual longing in men.

Maybe I'm off the mark. It's a different theory. However, I think the blockage that men experience can create greater sexual attraction. It's kind of like how the song goes "There's no aphrodisiac like loneliness". A lot of guys often experience intense sexual attraction to a crush that they view as "out of their league" or "from afar". And it's even more intense when there's such a deep bonding between two women, so it's natural for guys to feel left out on some levels.

On the other hand, I like to make friends with as many lesbians as possible and ask them for advice. Get them to give me a few pointers. Those girls know what they're doing!

P.S. It says a lot when the rare occasion I post is in a thread about girls kissing each other.

[Nikolas]

Most males have an image of lesbians as "ultra hot women who never had a chance to taste MY penis, and then would change their mind. Both of them!".

Reality is soooo far apart from that.

The images males get are from pron, and it is only natural, since males mostly (51% at least) use pron, that the images are made for men to watch. This only makes fantasies more complicated.

Now imagine this:

You're in bed with two beautiful women! So we start playing around and all they want is to please you. BUT F*ck! You cannot get it up! Because you keep thinking. "Who goes first?" "Can I penetrate at the same time as licking?" "Is it ok if I cum in their face, or maybe I should ask first?" "What was her name again? Yes the blonde on!" and so on.

Having sex can be lovely, sexy, and a pleasure, but having twice the pleasure also means twice the trouble.

That said I'm of to find a little torrent to play with. Or wait for my wife to come back... Hmmm... the dilema... :p

[buloght]

When I say man-looking women I mean lesbian women delibarately dressing themselves as men, cutting their hair short and ... yeah, slightly butch too. Not talking about butch women dressing as women 

Huh? What do you mean, dressing as men? Like, wearing pants and stuff? And what's wrong with women having short hair?

Bleh, you know what I am talking about. Watch ricki lake or something.

[Tuomas]

Now imagine this:

You're in bed with two beautiful women! So we start playing around and all they want is to please you. BUT F*ck! You cannot get it up! Because you keep thinking. "Who goes first?" "Can I penetrate at the same time as licking?" "Is it ok if I cum in their face, or maybe I should ask first?" "What was her name again? Yes the blonde on!" and so on.

You know you could just let them do you and then watch while they do each other, it's not that difficult.

When I say man-looking women I mean lesbian women delibarately dressing themselves as men, cutting their hair short and ... yeah, slightly butch too. Not talking about butch women dressing as womenÃ, 

Supposedly he just meant transvestites, who are aware of what they're doing. I used to work with one. She was fun. Though I didn't find her sexually attractive, nor did I ever ask if she had finished the transformation.

Huh? What do you mean, dressing as men? Like, wearing pants and stuff? And what's wrong with women having short hair?

[Haddas]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Haddas/whaaaat.gif


Also: Lesbian sex is boring, but kissing is arousing

[Helm]

Look what I am going to do now. I am going to quote everybody.

ugly penises to look at.

The penis isn't any uglier a piece of equipment than a vagina, and to me, when you're sexually active, neither is ugly at all. If some male is upset about the male reproductive organ in a sexual situation he's probably kneejerking over the homosexual undertone of enjoying looking at said organ, not all freaked out because it's ugly.

Unless it really is strange and and odd-looking and shit, then okay, it's ugly.

Eh? I don't even understand why people want to watch a man and a woman having sex.

'Cause not all people walk around with a huge boner and an overactive imagination all day and therefore require sexual aids to get in the mood. Is that a strange concept to understand, Matt?

I don't think that lesbians are any hotter than hot girls are. It doesn't add anything for me.

Me neither, personally. The concept of sex is arousing. Women naked and willing is arousing, but homosexual women don't do much more for me. In fact, I'd say, they do less because if I'm turned on and then it's made plain to me I am obsolete and won't be participating in any way then, shit, man. Bisexuality is a different situation, I'll get to it later on.

The kissing part maybe has to do with a hidden will (in everybody, not talking about me), to be the other sex.

Think the kissing is arousing because it's kissing. Reminds us of sexuality in far less definite terms than lesbian sex or swordfighting, therefore nobody feels strongly excluded. I'd say if you saw two handsome guys making out and you weren't extremely too much of a prude, you wouldn't deny yourself some turn-onage over that either.

Arousal for human beings is psychosomatic. The somatic component is caressing, usually. You can get an erection just by mechanically stroking your penis (if age and other variables allow, as they do usually).

Viewing something erotic (more for males, but not so much as people are led to think) leads to a psychological state which is the other half of the situation. You can get an erection watching other people getting it on as well. Of course it's not the only way to get psychologically aroused. For example when a woman I once wanted first told me that she wanted me too (middle of the street, not in the process of any intimacy) I popped a boner I could beat up a truck with, so on. Viewing sexual situations remains one of the easiest ways for most males to achieve erections and carry them to their happy conclusions. This isn't anything new. Women kissing, men kissing, women and men kissing, it all leads to thoughts of sex. It might also lead to thoughts of societally and biological memory-derived disgust and fear, that's a different sort of issue, and they can likely -but not always- lead to the dampening or compartmentalizing of the sexual impulse.

For common porn, well, I know people who don't want to watch intercourse because they despise the manly side of it. Yet some might find the viewintriguing in a kinky way.

I don't do either. I'm not terribly disgusted by the guy's penis, but nor do I focus on his ass while he fucks or anything. He's just not there much, for my interests. The best porn I've seen though had enthusiastic people, both male and female involved, so I guess demeanor counts, whoever the male is.

You know some sick people

That's a common reaction. Ease with homosexuality, and identifying the sexual part, regardless of the homo part doesn't make you a homosexual. Not that being a homosexual is the result of a specific pathology (it can be the result of a lot of them, though) but the court's out on what causes this tendency to make human beings into evolutionary deadwood (no pun intended. If you don't mate, you're evolutionarily useless) and that's not what this thread is about, is it? It's about hot lesbians.

Yes, but hot lesbians are. It should be noted that lesbians are only hot when not looking like those man-looking women.

I don't think lesbians are what you have in mind then. What you have in mind is paid sexual performers who will have sex on camera with whomever if the money is good. Most actual lesbians I've known or seen (not idiotic teenaged girls that kiss their girlfriends to make men horny at a keg party) one of them, or both, do assume the male persona in the relationship, and usually act and dress the part to a degree. That's part of the fantasy they're fulfulling after all.

I think the whole thing with lesbians is one is able to view intimacy between two parties without having to constantly deny that one is not sexually aroused by the sight of another male as most societies seem to condemn homosexuality, especially among youths.

I dunno, I haven't considered that to a great extent. I personally don't find homosexuality a big tabboo anymore so I guess I can't examine my own feelings about indulging in the forbidden in that way.

"Boobies are lovely. Two pairs of boobies are even better. You'd love to play with another girls boobies."

Your boyfriend's mind-control tendencies notwithstanding, it's not a matter of 'flesh is sexy, more flesh is still sexy'. We all agree to that degree. It's 'females accomodating themselves is sexy-er' that is the subject, and to that question that's no answer.

Well I should tell you how we experiment when we go to army

Are you sure you want to do that as well? Your stories of your... skeletal agility were quite uncalled for the last time.

Men are visual based.

Yes they are, and so are women. It's important to remember that a lot of scientific wisdom is first presented to people and is then taken out of proportion. Visual quality is important for women too, maybe to a somewhat smaller degree. Women are usually aroused in different ways and -sad but true- different levels of arousal are required for a woman to be ready to have sex than with men. After all, bottom line - not talking about the sexual experience of a lifetime! here- one does the fucking, one is getting fucked. This is an extremely important fact that paints sexual identities for people in many foundational ways.

It has to do with the fascination with otherness. The opposite sex is inherently less familiar to you than your own, and as a result, sometimes the draw to be intimate with the opposite sex can manifest itself as a desire to experience being the other sex. After all, what situation could be more intimate than actually being something? Very little.

Again, I don't know I haven't considered this as I never felt the need to 'be the woman' so to speak in a sexual relationship. I simply lack that curiosity, but I think most people that do have it (not only homosexuals, obviously) are more about exploring the different sexual identity than the different sexual gender. That is to say, they yearn penetration because they'd be the ones to be dominated, controlled, pinned down and fucked, not because they really are interested in feeling how it would be to have a vagina. I think the kink is in the identity switch, not the gender switch.

Heterosexual pornography, made and marketed for the average Joe Sixpack, gives us the fantasy of "Lesbianism" as an act rather than a lifestyle. Sure, these girls will engage in various sexual acts together but they'll also invite any wandering Joe who happens past to join them.

Extremely correct, and most of these people in porn are neither homosexual nor bisexual. They're simply getting paid. There *are* performers that only do girl-girl, who obviously are not interested in men, and there's a whole industry of male-on-male where the vast majority of the performers aren't in it just as a stepping stone to regular porn, regardless of how the urban legend goes.

So it's female bi-sexuality that's the ultimate male fantasy. She'll make it with her girlfriend, and when they're finished, Joe can step in and have them both.

I think this then, is more of the 'harem' fantasy than anything to do with homosexual acts. It's having women and making them do what you want them to do, en masse. Think about it, you have 16 wives, how much time would you spend making one have sex with the other while you jerk off? Obviously, quite a lot, but still that sort of thing would lose its' appeal. Would it ever lose its' appeal to have 5 or 6 of them attending to your sexual needs at the time while you relax and roll with it? NEVER.

I think butch women are cute.

Maybe you ought to give a same-sex relationship a try, then.

If the penis is so ugly, why hasn't it evolved to be as attractive as breasts?

The penis isn't ugly. Women, when psychologically aroused swoon at the look, smell and warmth of it just like animals are given to. If some straight woman denies this either has some sort of assorted trauma or just doesn't have a very active sex drive. A lot of women don't, and they still enjoy a degree of sexual attention (and sexual gratification) because as I said, it doesn't take as much for a woman as it does for a man to have sex. That doesn't make the penis ugly, though.

From a non-sexual standpoint, if one were to theoretically strip all biochemical interference from the brain for a minute and in that minute a man or a woman considered the process of sex, it would seem extremely odd behaviour from start to finish, with outlandish anatomy and probably humourous process. The face a man makes when he ejaculates is in that [the non-sexual one, not the ejaculation one] state of mind, frightening, as if he's in pain. The way women strain and spasm and the sounds they make and how some get all white when they climax is EXTREMELY SE... I mean, is in that state of mind probably alarming or hilarious too. Everything is ugly in that state of mind, tits, asses, penises and ballsacks. But that's not the state of mind we should be judging our dicks in, is it?

I find the two women kissing hot as long as it is possible to join as the 3rd one.

I'd just like to point out that group sex, especially threesomes aren't usually what people think they'd be. Usually someone is left out. There's actually times when the left out one gets up and leaves. The original 'pornlike' impulse to have a threesome with a girl and her girlfriend doesn't mean that when it's actually happening and you're fucking one the other will want to suck on your balls. Life isn't a porn film. Sex is fragile and even if you're very certain and safe in your sexual identity, it doesn't mean others you have intercourse with will be. People are weirded out, offended, embarassed all the time in sexual situations, and their expectations of how things go down, as biased and marred as they are from our oversexualised culture and porn-viewing, are crushed very easily. When you realize that sheltered identities and egos are at stake when a penis goes in a vagina, you realize you have to be careful if you don't want to hurt people. 'Hey let's have a threesome' isn't being very careful. There's damage. Everybody is damaged. We're brought up and our psyches are constantly chipped away at. Sexual relationships are so loaded in modern times, most people are ashamed of their very basic insecurity, when they should be up-front about it and allevate it through companionship and acceptance. Group sex does none of that.

It's interesting to me, how -I bet- a lot of people talking about lesbians and threesomes in this thread haven't even had sex yet, maybe even haven't kissed a girl (I'd say /boy but both girls partaking in this thread have had boyfriends). Quite a fantastical concept you're pondering on, guys. It reminds me of broken-sexualities of 30 year old virgins who can no longer be aroused by anything than X-TREME pore-level closeups of triple penetrations.

Extending on what Ytuzers boyfriend said: If you are aroused by one (naked) person of your preferred sex, then two (naked) persons of your preferred sex would be twice as arousing. It makes perfect sense.

This odd american concept of LOL DOUBLE YOUR PLEASURE, DOUBLE YOUR FUN is insulting. As Erenan DAMN IT. ERENAN. NOT ENERAN. says later boobs = pleasure, more boobs = more pleasure is just silly.
Maybe if you see 35 naked women at once your heart explodes from all the arousal, I don't know. Doesn't work for me.

I think guys also like the idea of two women wanting them at the same time. Naturally, it makes them feel incredibly sexy.

Yes as I said, harem mentality. Has nothing to do with actual homosexuality.

Attractive people + sex = hot

That's a pretty base concept for me. Attractive people that seem to be wholeheartedly involved in having sex is sexy for me, from a voyeuristic point of view. Just attractive people robotically fucking in front of a camera doesn't do much, although it does enough to warrant an erection but what the hell, I can bump my pelvis on a door by mistake and get an erection that way too.

DOORS ARE HOTT

What the hell defines an attractive person?

It's not all preference. There's standards that are met for most human machines. There's deviations too, and they're fuelled by a lot of cultivated preference, and a lot of DAMAGE, but that's another thing. It's not all preference. Almost nobody sane ejaculates looking at images of old ladies ridden with disease and dying, do they?

Degenerates! The whole lot of you.

Please help me shove this door up my ass, Earlwood. Thanks.

[buloght]

Yes, but hot lesbians are. It should be noted that lesbians are only hot when not looking like those man-looking women.

I don't think lesbians are what you have in mind then. What you have in mind is paid sexual performers who will have sex on camera with whomever if the money is good. Most actual lesbians I've known or seen (not idiotic teenaged girls that kiss their girlfriends to make men horny at a keg party) one of them, or both, do assume the male persona in the relationship, and usually act and dress the part to a degree. That's part of the fantasy they're fulfulling after all.

Damn right that's what I have in mind 

[MrColossal]

I need to start a band... I need to start a band and I need to name it:

"Attractive People Robotically Fucking in Front of a Camera"

Or at least let that be the sub title to Melt the Limit 3!

[buloght]

I was only joking there ya know. I find ugly women vastly attractive and I am a fat feeder.

[2ma2]

I'll join that band, Eric.

[Peder 🚀]

I find my girlfriend REALLY REALLY attractive.


But one thing about the discussion, its been mentioned 1 guy and 2 girls..
but not about 1 girl and 2 boys?

Any discussion about that?


Anyway, as I sad, I find my girlfriend really attractive, and to me she fits the way I see the perfect woman .
And I easy get turned on just be listening to her voice .
So as someone said somewhere in the bunch of posts there is loads of ways in getting turned on.

[Alynn]

There is an important factor in all this that seems to have been missed..

The subconcious, instinctual urge to procreate in order to keep ones genes in the pool.

Follow me? I'll explain.

We are mammals, and every mammal has a subconcious desire to procreate, in order to keep their genes moving from generation to generation. In the animal kingdom this is accomplished by males growing bright feathers, having loud vocalizations, or kicking the shit out of any other male that comes around.

We humans do the same, except we do things like wear makeup, keep fit, dance (I once watched a documentary on human sexuality, and they spent 30 minutes just explaining how it works in a dance club, the using of the body to show stamina, limberness, and the like to show that you are good breeding stock). And we aren't above kicking the crap out of each other over a member of the opposite sex.

When two women are together, the male mind subconciously thinks, "These two cannot procreate, therefore I must get involved in order to procreate with both." IE subconciously they see twice the oppertunity to pass their genes on.

Note some of the things Helm mentioned, as the Harem mentality stems from this source, they had multiple wives and concubines because, one... they could, and two... the male desire to pass on genes to future generations.

Due to my.... interesting marriage... I've done quite a bit of studying on this. And yes, it is more difficult to pull off than the movies make it out to be.

[EagerMind]

My point was just that the logic isn't so simple as ... 2 females (ditto) = arousal x 2

OK, I misunderstood you. Yeah, I agree with you .... just picturing an army of hotties with men everywhere dropping like flies as their libidos can't handle "arousal X 10,000". 

It depends really. I think there is definitely a point when...the size exceeds the attractiveness. But just because they are large doesn't mean they are unattractive.

Yeah, I agree. My point was just that physical attraction, or the concept of beauty, is to a certain extent hard-coded into all of us. No matter how happy of a relationship you're in, or what your values are, I think every man at some level will be aroused when a beautiful woman goes by. Now that doesn't necessarily translate into action - fortunately we have free will, and people make all kinds of choices and trade-offs (conscious or otherwise) when it comes to who they settle down with. But many are the "righteous" men who will see a hot, provocatively dressed woman and think "what a slut" while ogling them all the while!

[Erenan]

It has to do with the fascination with otherness. The opposite sex is inherently less familiar to you than your own, and as a result, sometimes the draw to be intimate with the opposite sex can manifest itself as a desire to experience being the other sex. After all, what situation could be more intimate than actually being something? Very little.

Again, I don't know I haven't considered this as I never felt the need to 'be the woman' so to speak in a sexual relationship. I simply lack that curiosity, but I think most people that do have it (not only homosexuals, obviously) are more about exploring the different sexual identity than the different sexual gender. That is to say, they yearn penetration because they'd be the ones to be dominated, controlled, pinned down and fucked, not because they really are interested in feeling how it would be to have a vagina. I think the kink is in the identity switch, not the gender switch.

This is an interesting subject for me, and one that is difficult to exhaust in a paragraph, so I'll try not to write everything I think about it. Probably you are less interested in it than I am.

While you may be right about the gender identity switch appeal, inherent in your use of the word "most" is "but not necessarily all." And this is the truth of it. It's not the same for everyone, although there is usually a strong majority. I don't know what the majority is in this case, but I didn't mean to suggest that this phenomenon always or even usually manifests itself specifically as a desire to experience having a vagina and boobs and feminine curves and a delicate facial structure, but rather that it sometimes can. I'm certain what you say about gender identity is true, but I doubt that the psychological phenomenon in its basic form is even so specific as an issue of dominance vs. submission. I think it's even more general than that. It's a fascination with otherness. Sometimes this is with the opposite sexual role, but other times it's honestly a fascination with the physical body, realized as a curiosity about what it's like to be that body. Some men fantasize about being a beautiful woman and having a loving relationship with another beautiful woman but are otherwise perfectly comfortable being male and have no desire actually to change their sex. Some men fantasize about being a dominant woman. Some men fantasize simply of being a woman and walking around all dainty like while wearing a skirt and looking pretty (to some extent this may be a draw to a foreign social identity). Some men fantasize about being part of a woman's body and in that way being subject to her casual whims. There's a myriad assortment of other examples involving various fetishes, but I'll stop there. This is all mostly rather unrelated to the real subject of the thread, but it's such an interesting subject for me, I couldn't resist piping up.

Gosh, that paragraph turned out much longer than I thought it would.

[Helm]

Yes, I see what you are saying. The topic of sexuality is inexhaustable, just as long as you give it five minutes to recuperate after every time you post. It's not a machine.