Yes, I live in the U.S. and we're horrendously uptight. Case in point: the Superbowl Halftime Show. Holy crap, any kids who happened to be watching the Superbowl Halftime Show (since it sucked anyway) saw a boob! Good god no, this is corrupting our children!
http://www.marksfriggin.com/news04/2-2.htm#tue
Howard Stern makes a damn good point on this issue. Europeans aren't this uptight. And they're not in any state of anarchy or "moral dillema" as George W. Bush might say. He also mentions the Levitra (Next-Gen Viagra) commercial and how it would be ten times harder to explain that to children instead of a tit.
I might be opening up a can of worms (and I swear I couldn't find a thread on this in this forum), but what do you guys think of this whole stupid issue?
I for one think it's ridiculous and really not a big deal at all.
euhm... im not from u.s.a. and what is Superbowl?? Is it a bowling championship... or a tv show or something???
It must be pretty boring in the world for that to get such 'coverage' it seems it's got more press than the game itself which was pretty good I heard.
Interesting point about the viagra commercial, also kids these days with all the email spam must be pretty used to seeing breasts.
They can show bombs blowing up and killing people but a breast is wrong. How did we get all mixed up this way, a breast is much more natural than a bomb.
that little gadget thingy around the nipple was pretty cool, looked like a ninja star.
It'll all blow over in a few days, it was just a publicity stunt, might have also been to take a little bit of attention off her brother too.
I just wonder what the next stunt will be and who it will involve, might make a good photoshop phriday
Oh yeah, i remember laughing when i saw that poor Janet JAckson, and you could see where the young-eye of Justin's is looking towards... :P
I think everybody here gets enough LEvitra in their e-mails, so there's no need to explain.
And about the whole America(ns) thing. Well, history has been well to them, as well as their geo. position. They've been isolated from most of the big wars, and if you look better there's, you can see that they almost never had a war on their territory...
That's for one, and now i would like to talk about stupid and fat americans, and commercials, and their need of eating while watching TV, and all...
But i won't...
I'll leave it for some other time.
first off, czar... Wha?!
secondly, that website is pretty awkward and silly. "Howard said, then he said, then he said then they laughed and he (Howard) said this!" argh just listen to the show! [but please don't]
third: it's a tit, big whoop. This country [the US] is full of jerks and idiots just like every other country and since a jerk isn't universal [as in one man's jerk is another man's freedom... fighter?] everyone's a jerk. If you get all up in arms about this you're a jerk for freaking out over something so small. If you don't get all up in arms about it you're a jerk for not caring about the moral decline of the country or something stupid like that.
Minimi: The Superbowl is a big flashy game of football. (not the soccer kind, the throw and run touchdown kind.) Hehe, yet they call it the Superbowl. Shouldn't it be Superball? Go figure! :)
Well, I didn't see the Superbowl, but here again I don't watch or even play football. But I did hear about the booby thing. The way I see it is alot of those little kids probably didn't WANT to see Janet's breast. Which means alot of upset kids and alot of upset parents.
I remember when I was little and I saw a boob for the first time I was upset.
While I'm not all freaky over this, I can understand why parents and little kids would be.
I remember when I was little and saw a boob for the first time. I was about a minute old I think.
I found this sad:
In the same time period, the US government stated that their intelligence institutions were a joke and admitted there were no WMDs in Iraq.
Yet, everyone shows more concern over some ponce ripping-off a bra, exposing some has-been's tit.
By the way, shouldn't Darth be replying about now?
Hmm, must be held up in traffic.
I was watching the Superbowl live, cos I am a NE Pats fan... Maybe it´s because I´m european, or maybe it is because I was half sleep (It was something like 2:30 when the boob stuff happened...) But I took no special attention.
The most suprising thing of the half time show was realising that Janet has actually a horrible boob.
And the next day... everybody was talking about... Why? I think it was out of place because if it was pretending to be artistic it resulted shabby, but nothing else.
Why now is Jason Timberlake pretending he didn´t do it on purpose? And why is everybody crossifying justing when janed was dressed with a special bra whith that easy-to-remove-buttons (I don´t know the English name)... Shit, she even had some special arrangement in his nipple (I can´t believe that somebody would voluntarilly have tha in her breast as a piercing regularilly...)
Everything was intended, and now that couple of morons probably are having some laughs with all this. :P
Quote from: Raggit on Wed 04/02/2004 16:28:47
I remember when I was little and I saw a boob for the first time I was upset.
I don't understand. Don't babies see breasts all the time? Should it really surprise children that women have breasts? Aren't breasts fairly mundane in the big scheme of things?
I think Tim and DG are right. There's a lot more important stuff going on, and we have to hear about how boobs are somehow indecent and offensive. To be fair, there was a lot in the news about the CIA, but it's still quite sad that an exposed nipple gets almost as much coverage..
QuoteWhy now is Jason Timberlake pretending he didn´t do it on purpose?
Heh.. "wardrobe malfunction".. :)
Aye, that's the thing Ben -- Both the CIA stuff and the nipple stuff were reported about the same (In fact, in my city's paper, the CIA/White House/WMD inquiry stuff was reported more).
Yet, people on the net seem more interested in a saggy titty.
Well, the CIA thing began days before the Superbowl, and was debated over all last week. Or do you just mean the White House's (super double-dog-delayed) reaction to it? I guess people do talk more about the halftime show, but that won't last long. The initial shock will blow over soon (god I hope so), and we'll hear more about real news.
hey, not ALL of Europe is relaxed. We in the UK are JUST as uptight as America, and what's more, we were being uptight LONG before these flippin' colonials were being uptight!
We only saw Judie Finnigans Bra (not even a boob!) and the country's STILL realing with the shock!
I don't think people really take it seriously. It has just been blown out of proportions because all kinds of politicians/preachers/feminists/worried mothers/etc. decided to become all righteous and protest against the source of corruption in the nation. I think, or at least I hope, nobody takes these farts seriously.
I think you have to go down the continent to find complete liberalism on this issue. Like France and Italy; they would never make a fuzz about it.
Here in Sweden it would cause some debating I guess, although it wouldn't reach the level of high politicians going moralising and talking about saving the children or whatever.
The debate is interesting, nevertheless. In a pedagogical view, one might have a thing or two to say about objectifying and sexism and all that shit.
But hey.
Quote from: DGMacphee on Wed 04/02/2004 16:38:13
By the way, shouldn't Darth be replying about now?
Hmm, must be held up in traffic.
Sometimes you crack me up ;D I was actually at my girlfriend's house, and she doesn't have internet access (the horror!!)
I don't give a shit about the Super Bowl.
Is America uptight?
Yes.
So is the rest of the world ... they're just uptight about different things.
Does Janet have a pretty boob?
No.
What am I uptight about?
My 12 year old sister asked me if I like 'fiddy cent' because she said, "he's awesome!". I almost vomitted. My little sister thinks a drug dealing, no-talent, thug, capitilizing off surviving getting shot in a drug-deal gone bad is 'awesome'.
To me, that's far worse than a little nipple slip on TV.
So I suggested she worship Pablo Escobar, he's a
far better role model.
Since Justin didn't expose a nut, I'm all smiles. Actually, I don't really care what I see or hear. You could come right up to me, drop your pants, and say that every french person sucks, and I wouldn't care.
Quote from: Robert Eric on Wed 04/02/2004 19:23:12
Actually, I don't really care what I see or hear. You could come right up to me, drop your pants, and say that every french person sucks, and I wouldn't care.
A less mature person would make a blow-job-related joke about this
And it seems like you want it to happen, by stating that.
Bono can use the word fuck as an adjective on tv and radio, because it is a decriptive word. I would think that people would be more worried about that then a second of Janet Jackson's breast that a lot of people missed anyway.
Let me skip the issue of american family and values and that malarchy for a moment, and let me offer why this issue might be a big deal.
If this incident is found to be violating the FCC (the governing body of broadcasted stuff) each affiliate which aired that tit owes like $27,400. Imagine- each local city's tv station paying up for Janet Jackson's boob. Haha, I just think that's funny.
Bono can say "fucking" because the FCC recently passed that word as an adjective yes- but it is still illegal on broadcast to use fuck regarding sex/ derogatory. I personally don't care, I know one day I will have a son and daughter, and I don't plan on teaching them those words. However, I do plan on being very accepting when they do find such things out and offer them as much information to quelch their curiousity. The problem is that americans can get way embarrassed, and sheltered, with stupid hopes of raising their children and purity and ignorance. In my opinion, a boob is fine on late night broadcast TV, cable, etc - but not such a trusted "family oriented" program such as the Super Bowl. Not that I watch the super bowl, but I did when I was little.
Quote from: Timosity on Wed 04/02/2004 16:13:11
that little gadget thingy around the nipple was pretty cool, looked like a ninja star.
No, Tim. I have an inside source that says it was actually:
(http://www.packratshow.com/ljpix/janetnipplekrull.jpg)
As to the controversy, the arguments are already old. The more conservative types are getting dramatically upset over it. If I were watching it with my kids, I'd be more upset about the way that it was done (from what I hear, 'twasn't exactly subtle). Mostly, I just find it pathetic what depths celebrities will sink to. I look forward to a day when it's common enough for a celebrity to debase themselves completely for a bit of publicity and the public loses interest in them (outside of their movies/songs, at least). People practically worship these asses. I'm perplexed.
As far as the FCC thing goes, you've got it a little backward, Even. It wouldn't be that every local station would have to pay 27.500. Depending upon who the FCC blames for the event (its organizers (MTV) or the major broadcasting station (CBS)) it will fine that entity in the amount of $27,500 x # of stations it was broadcast on = somewhere in the area of $1.2 Mil, last I heard.
If the FCC has approved Fuck as a descriptive, I'm surprised I haven't heard it yet on the radio (unless it's a late-night TV approval or something). Listening to a station in SF the other night, they censored the following that I noticed: Fuck, shit, Weed, Crystal Meth, Whore, Colt 45 and the 'God' portion of Goddamn. With some of the other stuff that was censored, I'd be rather surprised if fuck becomes allowable.
ah, thanks for clarification. Sometimes I blow right thru my CNN. Man, charge Timberlake. No loss for him- he did cop a feel after all. And that would make Janet Jackson the most expensive whore on the planet.
The fuck issue- well Yak, shows censor themselves too. Even if the law is passed for fuck, it's still the producer's own discretion to censor it as matter of image and all that. Here on campus, we have an FCC licensed student TV station, and that's the word. We sat up playing mario cart till 5am on live tv and some "fucks" slipped. No worries... but then again, there was virtually no audience.
That's one thing I found rather strange. There's a song by Everlast, don't know the exact title but the chorus is, "Then you really might know what it's like." While living in the South (Florida/North Carolina), they only censored standard expletives. Nothing was censored in a song by Third Eye Blind (whatever their first single POS was). However, after returning to SanFran area in California, found that they censored the words I mentioned in the last post. What the hell? Censoring drug names and the name of a handgun? Odd. Especially considering all of the implied sexuality that still gets radio play. That and DJ talk about blowjobs, oral, anal, etc. That said, I'm less wary of the FCC than the network administration.
I just get sad for one thing. When the white house wanna open a case because the boobie, they use it to "escape" from the Iraq weaponry case. No wonder half-world hate GWB.
:-\
All I have to say is that I don't have any problem with the human body. It's a natural thing.
Most males are going to see a few breasts in their lifetime (probably a lot more once their married). But if you sheild their eyes away from these things, they're going to turn out to be such boring losers. In which case they're probably never going to get married and have children because no girl is ever going to want to date a 30 year old man who's never seen a nekkid woman because "mommy says it's dirty.
That's what I don't understand about it, parents and censors make it sound like it's something horribly bad. When it's not. A lot of people in this country do need to pull the stick out of their asses and stop making the human body out to be something to be ashamed of.
Quote from: Dr. Jekyll?~MR. HYDE! on Thu 05/02/2004 02:22:36
All I have to say is that I don't have any problem with the human body. It's a natural thing.
Most males are going to see a few breasts in their lifetime (probably a lot more once their married). But if you sheild their eyes away from these things, they're going to turn out to be such boring losers. In which case they're probably never going to get married and have children because no girl is ever going to want to date a 30 year old man who's never seen a nekkid woman because "mommy says it's dirty.
how then, do you explain all those mormons and catholics? they arent supposed to look at porn, and they dont have trouble getting married and having happy families.
One can choose to avoid looking at breasts and still be normal and have friends.
Until the super bowl...I had actually never seen a full breast before (well, ok. I was nursed, but I think you know what I mean), and I dunno if that even counts. I have a girlfriend. I have a normal social life. I cant see a girl ditching me cause I've never seen a tit.
I must say, I highly disagree with this statement.
Hmmm... I hadn't taken that into account. I don't really remember the specifics of a lot of religions.
I'm going to stop right here, though... I don't really want to get religion involved here... :-\ ... It's too touchy of a subject for me.
I think we should all be naked.
Quotefirst off, czar... Wha?!
Exactly. Why are us Americans all gum-chewing, fat couch potatoes, anyway? Everyone that thinks this way can suck my white american ass. I eat while watching tv sometimes, what's wrong with that? Jack shit, is what. I'm not fat, nor am I a couch potatoe.
Anyway, about this tit shit. I don't see what the big deal is. Didn't P. Diddy moon the croud or something, and Kid Rock was only wearing an american flag (from what I heard)? Why didn't Diddy's ass cause anything? Because he's a guy? AAAAAA!!!1 A boob!!1123445
It only showed for a second anyway (from what I heard), wtf?
If you ask me, I don't think Janet Jackson is all that great looking anyway. All the guys I know say,
GUYS-"I'd like to fuck the shit right outta that!"
ME-"Ah... she looks like Michael, man."
Except for the womans body of course.
I'll stop writing since everyone skips my posts anyway...
;)
--Snake
Quote from: Chikago666 on Thu 05/02/2004 01:51:30
I just get sad for one thing. When the white house wanna open a case because the boobie, they use it to "escape" from the Iraq weaponry case. No wonder half-world hate GWB.
Please. A washed-up has-been's tit exposure isn't going to divert anybody's attention from WMD.
And, making an issue out of something to avoid attention to another issue is a political trick as old as politics itself.
It has always existed, in every form of government, everywhere.
It's sad, but it's true.
Why are people
still shocked by this?
Actually, the government isn't using a political trick to shift focus from WMD this time.
Powell gave an interview with the Washington Post on the state of US "intelligence" recently and (correct me if I'm wrong) it made front page news.
I know that the WMD/intelligence issue was the first story mentioned on the news in Australia at the time.
So, the politicians have been very vocal about it and the news organisations have given it front page.
But oddly, the public seems more interested in the tit.
Maybe people on the whole are just too stupid to see something important dangled into front of their eyes (i.e. that the US government's intelligence organisations caused a war that shouldn't have happened -- To quote Powell: ""Absence of a stockpile changes the political calculus, it changes the answer you get.")
If a conversation that started about janet jackson's booby turns into a debate about war and conservatism/liberalism... I'm leaving and never coming back. Can't we just talk about boobies for once?
Some genius prophesised the event years ago!
Check:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=14646 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=14646)
At the time being I'm not going to comment on American media.
ABC is going to air a Stephen King's "remake" of Von Trier's "Kingdom".
I'll stop here because I value my heart.
Quote from: Ben on Wed 04/02/2004 16:46:05
Quote from: Raggit on Wed 04/02/2004 16:28:47
I remember when I was little and I saw a boob for the first time I was upset.
Aren't breasts fairly mundane in the big scheme of things?
Yeah, but so are buttholes and nobody wants to see them.
And yeah, babies see boobies all the time, but all they care about is sucking them to get food. (I swear somebody is gonna qoute what I just said and turn it into something perverted.)
An older childer classifies boobies under "privates" and feels like they've done something majorly wrong by looking at one.
Heh yeah, that's another thing that gets me. Someone (I think on some news page) claimed that breasts were "a sexual organ" and shouldn't be seen on TV. A sexual organ? HAH! They produce milk and are attractive only because of their subconscious similarity to the posterior, and primative urges and desires and all that. (I saw it on The Learning Channel!)
But yeah, classifying breasts as a sexual organ is ridiculous and nonsensical.
Sorry, Even, but just commenting not as much on the war but on the hypocrisy/stupidity of people on what they consider important in their lives.
The reason Americans (U.S. Americans, that is) are uptight about this issue, is easily seen when you look at how the U.S. was formed. Extremely religious people were sent to live here, and their high-moral values are entrenched into our society. Personaly, I think a tit is a tit, and don't really care about the whole incident, I can understand people (ie. Panda) getting offended. It's also just amusing, so people are going to keep talking about it until something else comes along. But really when you say America, I'm fairly certain that half or more of U.S. don't really care, we just here from the people who do. The people offended, don't necessarily make the majority, though. Their just in the light more.
Oh, and someone asked, or remarked, why the Superbowl wasn't called the Superball. The bowl part of the name, really applied to the stadium...which is bowl shaped. While, I agree, Superball would have been an equally good name, they decided to go with Superbowl.
-MillsJROSS
I'm tired of your dogma DG, look at you! You think just cause you read a few papers you can make all these accusations against the American [GOD BLESS IT!!] government! WELL SHUT UP! It's your uber-liberalism that's ruining this world with your Janet Jackson Breast Conspiracies and your Head Attached to a Penis!!
/me packs Even's bags and leaves them by the door
That's just typical of a right-wing nazi like you, Eric! I remember how much you supported, nay, begged for the war in Iraq! Now, you're just shrugging your shoulders going, "Dum de dum! What war? Hey! Look! Janet Jackson's tit popped out!" That is such a typical conservative American attitude! No wonder the world hates you!
And you own time-travel technology and won't share with the rest of the world! The whole US is a conspiracy! ROSWELL!! ROSWELL!! You can't hide the truth from the people!!
/me buys Even his plane ticket!
American's like to portray that they are all innocent and Christian and all that but it's all really a result of the older generation still trying to hide from their parents what they believe, or got up to in youth. Seriously everyone should just grow up.
Where does most of the worlds porn come from? and even kids movies show tits eg. American Pie.
The Janet Jackson thing is still going to plan, it's typical of these things to occur, then appologise. that gets it out of the news quick, but that was all in the plan anyway, it's later on that the brilliant sceme works when they sell records. Even if there's a fine or something, the money they make from the publicity is worth paying a fine for, that's why these things will keep happening.
and yes, she probably should have kept that saggy tit inside, I guess the clothes she was wearing didn't help.
but yes she looks too much like her brother to be sexy
and yes SNAKE I read your post
Yak: what was that picture from, sorry I didn't get it, but yes I know he's holding Janets ninja nipple star.
I .... I just ...
I wanted to find a picture that said "bye". I really wanted something you guys could remember me by- and hopefully something that would bring you guys together.
Eric, DG. This is for only the two of you:
http://www.office-assist.com/~jarvis/cleveland2002/bye02.jpg
Bye.
Quote from: Timosity on Thu 05/02/2004 06:40:42
Yak: what was that picture from, sorry I didn't get it, but yes I know he's holding Janets ninja nipple star.
Ya don't recognize a scene from Krull? You really ought to be flogged.
Quote from: EvenWolf on Thu 05/02/2004 07:27:54
Eric, DG. This is for only the two of you:
http://www.office-assist.com/~jarvis/cleveland2002/bye02.jpg
Bye.
I also tried to find some good images to bid you a proper farewell, but this was all I could find:
http://www.biohazardgames.com/farewell.jpg
http://www.starlitedance.com/Farewell-042.jpg
http://www.cepheid.org/~kiz/farewell.jpg
http://www.bmeworld.com/catgirl2/farewell.jpg
Eric, do you have anything to add?
The guy who streaked has a web page.
http://www.thestreaker.org.uk/main.htm
Quote from: YakSpit on Thu 05/02/2004 10:38:35
Quote from: Timosity on Thu 05/02/2004 06:40:42
Yak: what was that picture from, sorry I didn't get it, but yes I know he's holding Janets ninja nipple star.
Ya don't recognize a scene from Krull? You really ought to be flogged.
Get out your Cat O Nine Tails cause I've never heard of
Krud Krull
After a bit of googling, I know all about it and I don't know how I've never heard of it, must be to do with marketing in the 80's, at least over here
I even tried to view a trailer but the imdb link went to Dungeons & Dragons, I'll see if I can find it elsewhere
Here's a theory I just had, which I haven't heard anyone else mention yet (and this will show much spare time I've got and how utterly bored I am right now):
The whole tit popping thing is a revenge against the Britney/Madonna kiss.
Some critics have compared it to it, but none have actually called it a "revenge tactic".
Keep in mind Britney and Justin used to date and the break-up was something harsh.
Consider, also, that Janet Jackson and Madonna used to complete in record sales.
What if the tit-popping is just an excuse to one-up Justin's ex-girlfriend?
It's a most plausable theory IMO.
...
...
After re-reading what I wrote, I've come to the conclusion that I really do have no life -- Maybe I should get some sleep before it's too late.
Interesting theory DG. But I think that Justin Timberlake may have flopped her boob out just because of a sudden impulse.
Actually, Rag, they admitted it was planned (Jackson's statement on the MTV websire: "The decision to have a costume reveal at the end of my half-time show performance was made after final rehearsals.")
Also, if it was impulse, don't you think the Britney/Madonna kiss would fuel some of that impulse?
Keep in mind, Timberlake looked pretty pissed when he saw it.
Timbers was in on it, the look he gave was a facade.
Anyway, who blames wardrobe malfunction. Lies... ALL LIES!!!!!!!!!
http://sylpher.com/kafka/junk/farewell.jpg
yea DG i hate to say it but stop... that post made me want to punch you because it sounded like entertainment tonite all of the sudden started posting on the AGS forums
signed,
Mary Hart
It's decided then. The only way to discourage this sort of idiotic behavior by our celebrities is to have celebrity-burning. Hooray! Or, if you're too much a pacifist, then we could always just keep them in cages and let 'em out when we want to use them. If they're singers, then they really don't have too much use for their arms. Let them wear straight-jackets. I tried to re-read what I wrote because I'm pretty sure it's idiotic. However, I've had 2 hours of sleep and am not getting more so fuasjlh;g.
Don't worry, Eric -- that side of choice gossip I wrote was typed at 3am.
I'm re-reading it now thinking "What was going through my mind?" -- Kinda like when people watch a David Lynch film.
But I promise, it'll never happen again.
Now, who want to hear some news about Britney and her ex-hubby?
I'd like just like to mention that I'm always up for some boobie talk, for those who would be interested.
Who would have thought of mixing ninjas and boobies, two of the coolest things around? Brilliant I say!
QuoteWho would have thought of mixing ninjas and boobies, two of the coolest things around? Brilliant I say!
I do this for Rodey cause he is awesome:
http://www.msu.edu/~couilla3/ninja/ninja_movie_script2.htm
I doubt something like that would cause much fuss over here in Finland. We're fairly used to see nakedness all over (TV and elsewhere) and not necessarily connect it to sexuality. My wife (Canadian) used to be surprised when basic TV channels showed things like completely naked women (and men) at times when children are watching (like, 6 PM - 9 PM).
She's obviously not from Quebec.
I fear the effects of removing the taboo from breasts. What if future generations get too used to them while growing up, and don't find them as sexy?
Quote from: Trapezoid on Fri 06/02/2004 18:21:26
I fear the effects of removing the taboo from breasts. What if future generations get too used to them while growing up, and don't find them as sexy?
Good point indeed!
I suppose women will no longer feel the need to artificially inflate them with potentially harmfull chemicals and junk.
PS DG -> I love you. I'm starting a fan-site for that movie, complete with fan-fic and furries.
QuoteI fear the effects of removing the taboo from breasts. What if future generations get too used to them while growing up, and don't find them as sexy?
There are other, quite visible parts of the woman that can be just as sexy...
and a VAST majority of hidden parts that get me equally aroused...
kidneys anyone?
Quote from: Ghormak on Fri 06/02/2004 20:16:22
There are other, quite visible parts of the woman that can be just as sexy...
All too correct. The bellybutton's been making an appearance more and more often and I wholeheartedly approve. The curve of a neck or hypnotic eyes can do as much for me as the rest of the bits. The amount of pr0n, spam & Pop-ups that show unwitting masses pictures of breasts may make for the decline of the naughty-bits' sensuality. Just look at all the odd fetishes cropping up.
Quote from: rodekill on Fri 06/02/2004 20:15:10
PS DG -> I love you. I'm starting a fan-site for that movie, complete with fan-fic and furries.
/me wails on his guitar and pops a million boners before he commits seppuku and explodes.