I placed my vote against a game and logged a comment. I found the comment appropriate, as just giving a vote (regardless of good or bad) is not very helpful. This was it...
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User comments about The Dwarven Dagger Of Blitz:
Posted by TassieDevil on 2008-04-10 at 00:38 (IP logged):
I give it 5 out of 10. Enjoyable if you have nothing else to do. I had trouble sometimes changing the cursors, i.e. hand to walk. Getting out of rooms was sometimes so annoying diffcult.
The end was so **lame**
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Obviously voting totals do not show up until a certain number is reached.
I got a PM from the author. I am not quoting all of if; I guess that is not fair - but basically saying "Now everytime somebody wants to get more info and or see the votes about the game, gets to see what you think about it."
Opinions? Please!
To me it sounds, if you don't like the game, don't vote and comment on it.
If this is the rule, I will follow it.
You could have said "The ending was lacking excitement"-or something along those lines, instead of wrapping a bag around the game and tossing it into the river. :P
A recurring problem of the comments section is that people cannot effectively respond to comments made there, if for instance they turn out to be in error.
I believe that changing that code to show the last 10 posts of the relevant forum thread, may be a solution for that.
I think your comment could have been more constructive.
I think the author could have been less of a baby.
Opinions are opinions. Disagree with that person? Screw em.
If everyone only voted on games they really liked, all the games would have amazing ratings and there wouldn't be a point to the user ratings at all ;)
As for comments, I think people should always feel free to express themselves, but all the while keeping in mind that quite a bit of work went into the game, so the commenter should put work into their comment--put the extra effort to be polite and considerate, while keeping criticism specific and constructive :)
Quote from: Radiant on Mon 14/04/2008 00:05:27
I believe that changing that code to show the last 10 posts of the relevant forum thread, may be a solution for that.
If that could be done, I agree that would be helpful :)
Quote from: Allianceâ,,¢ on Mon 14/04/2008 00:19:13
Disagree with that person? Screw em.
Depending on your sexual orientation, of course ;D
When we publish a game, we are supposed to be mature enough to accept critics. We may treasure every bit of our game, but this doesn't mean anything. People have opinions. Opinions may be good or bad and we certainly asked for it.
Bad critics should be more welcome, even if we usually don't follow the advice. :P
Quote from: Radiant on Mon 14/04/2008 00:25:02
Quote from: Allianceâ,,¢ on Mon 14/04/2008 00:19:13
Disagree with that person? Screw em.
Depending on your sexual orientation, of course ;D
So, posting bad comments about someone's game is a way to get in their pants? Hmmm, think I'll go and make some comments ... ;) := :-*
Hi guys,
TassieDevil, I have PM to you because I didn't like the way you've comented my game.
I did not make a thread about it.
To everybody that is interested here is my full PM( something TassieDevil should have done):
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Hi there, I just want to thank you for the kind words you left attached to my game.
Now everytime somebody wants to get more info and or see the votes about the game, gets to see what you think about it.
You see, you have the right to do it, but if everybody did what you did, AGS free games would not be so downloaded. And that is the only reward we get for doing games for you to play.
There are places at the forum to place critics where everybody can see what you think about other people work.
If you leave a coment then please at least vote and support what you said.
I hope my following games will please you, sir."
Now, you may think I am not right and some even wrote that I was acting like a baby, and that I acept, I don't mind critics but there is a place for them. I see games and donwload them with very poor quality but I never put people down even if it's obvious their work is bad.
I had lots of bad critics when the game was in production and I acepted them all, no problem.
The thing is, placing a post that is going to forever be attached with your game and do not support it with strong reasons is just not fair.
To all I apologize, as I did to TassieDevil if you read the PM destined to him.
Alliance: you will learn, with age ( your 17, right?) that insulting people will not give you any respect.
RyanTim, Progzmax, Mash, Dual: thanks, I really would prefer constructive criticism but also know sometimes there is no time to do it, so I don't do it if I can't do it right. And I didn't start this thread or did I complain to anybody, I only PM Tassie because I didn't agree with him.
I hope this settles it.
I have to say that you could have said sth like: i know you worked hard on this game but it just didn;t feel right for me.
Alright. I still feel I should say what I think - this is just me; Aries I guess :).
I request a moderator to remove my comment and vote from http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/games.php?action=detail&id=1012
Sorry Miguel to have upset you so much.
It's ok,
I just wanted that this all thing would mean something, and that, in the future, people will coment with a bit of moderation.
It's not that you're wrong and I'm right, maybe we are wasting everybody's time!
But I would be happy if we all learned something from this.
There is no need for a moderator to delete the coment, maybe you could add another one explaining why you wrote the first one.
I hope this ends here and I wish you (TassieDevil) all the best.
If you don't want bad critisism, then don't release your game free for everybody to play.
It's not like TassieDevil was insulting and off topic.
Do you mind reading the post before yours?
I DID NOT START THIS THREAD! I SENT A MESSAGE TO TASSIE WITCH IS PUBLIC! I ALLREADY APOLOGIZE! I'VE PLAYED YOUR GAMES...
miguel, I think you're over-reacting somewhat here. Why does it matter that you didn't start this thread? It's a public forum and everyone including jetxl is entitled to post their opinion about things.
Please, calm down.
I don't think that releasing your game as a gift to people (that's essentially what it is, something free that you didn't pay for that also has no strings attached) should make you a target for random dickery, so I disagree 100,000% with Jetxl.
Also, the main line I found dubious in TassieDevil's comment was:
QuoteThe end was so **lame**
Step back from your computer a moment and think, I mean
really think about how you would feel if a game you put effort into (I'm not talking about joke games, now) received a comment like that, and I'd call bullshit if you said it didn't bother you one bit. This is what I'm talking about when I say be constructive with criticism, because people on the other side of the computer
are, in fact, real people with feelings, and it's absolutely unnecessary to kick them in the teeth in return for playing their free game.
You can, of course, state the things you didn't like in a constructive manner and why, like 'the game's ending didn't really work for me
because: (and this is why I prefer private messages or email because you can easily discuss spoilers and issues you have with the plot). But anyway, I rather think this sort of thing should have stayed in private messages between the two people involved and worked out.
HOW DARE YOU?
miguel smokes and passes his peace-pipe around
miguel feels calm
Ok, seriously, sorry for being rude jetxl, and Pumaman I promise to stay calm for the rest of my existence.
miguel asks for the pipe back
The purpose of the comments section is to give other potential players an idea of what you thought of the game in order to help them come to a decision as whether or not to download/play it.
You are entitled not to like the game and you are entitled to say as much, but you have to bear in mind that any negative comments you make may (and probably will) cause some people to pass on that game and play something different... and that's not really fair on the author.
I'm not saying everyone should post positive remarks when they don't mean it, but some things are better left unsaid, or at least said in a slightly more tactful manner. Either that or don't say anything... much in the same way that an employer has the option not to give a reference if he thinks the employee was bad at his job, but they are not allowed to give a bad reference, because that would harm the employee's chances of finding a new job.