http://www.northernalliance.ca/
I thought there are people working on making sure there aren't any hate sites?
If so , looks like they missed one. ( then again it'd probably be hard to get rid of all hate sites completely , given how easy and quick it is to set up sites and how big the internet is. )
As for the "creator" pic , this guy thinks he's a hit with the ladies?
::)
"I thought there are people working on making sure there aren't any hate sites?"
like who?
one would have to define what a hate site is, if I have a site saying god hates people who think god hates fags, is that a hate site?
and I'm sure this is a joke site
Here's two more examples ...
The New Black Panther Party (http://www.newblackpanther.com/) - don't call it a come back!!
Mice Trap Records (http://www.micetrap.net/) - sells records for White Power.Ã, Their most popular album being the Racist Redneck Rebels - "Keep The Hate Alive!"
Sites like this can't be stopped ... I mean, how can you tell them they can't put this crap up there?
The skinheads would just tell you that you're telling them to take it down 'cause you're controlled by the Jew-Run media.
The new black panthers would just say it's another example of the white man keeping them down.
It's a lose lose situation because you can't stop these idiots from being ignorant.
Quote from: MrColossal on Mon 07/06/2004 23:52:08
"I thought there are people working on making sure there aren't any hate sites?"
like who?
one would have to define what a hate site is, if I have a site saying god hates people who think god hates fags, is that a hate site?
and I'm sure this is a joke site
I don't know , I just vaguely remember reading something somewhere that claimed that some group makes sure to get hate sites shut down as quickly as possible once they find out about them or something like that. I'm sorry , it's been a long time so....*shrugs* . :-[
Well , of course , I meant a hate site as in "white supremacist" / "racist" hate site. There's other kinds of hate sites of course that have to do with silly things like wether or not Jar Jar Binks is a cool character but they're usually called anti-sites instead of hate sites and usually when people say hate site they're talking about a racist site , then again there could be a new usage for the phrase that I was previously unaware of , but I'd be surprised if that was the case.
I thought it might be a joke site because of the supposed creator pic and the comment about "always a hit with the ladies" but what else I saw of it makes one think that it could be a real hate site.
Oh no... I'm guessing that this thread will now turn into a Hitler pic fest... :P
Ugh. I hate it when threads are filled with Hitler pics. ( sorry to those who think that sort of thing is funny )
*sighs*
Os, you couldn't really think we'd be THAT stupid, could you?
(http://www.sptddog.com/sotp/hitler.jpg)
HOW DARE YOU!
Okay - in an effort to JUSTIFY this post, I'm going to say I believe that site is a hoax.
A lot of the articles are fairly strange in their presentation, and conflict with a lot of other things they wrote. I can't remember specifici examples, but yeah, they said something about how all races AREN'T equal, and then I read something about hating people who believed it. Meaning they'd hate themselves...
EDIT: And that isn't really hitler, so I can't been TOO outlandish...
All in all, it's certainly better to let racist sites stay up, not just for the principal of the thing, but for the fact they show racists, especially the kinds like many white supremicist which rely on gowns and silly trimmings, for what they are.
In the old days, say, the KKK, could be mysterious and secretive, a dark menace. When they got they're hands on HTML it allowed anyone to see that they were just silly, insecure and stupid people.
It's like Mein Kampf. The best argument against it is itself.
Hitler had Parkinson's. Michael J Fox has Parkinson's and starred in a movie with time travel. See where I'm going here? Anyone who experiences time travel develops parkinson's... meaning Hitler isn't dead! He's waiting for us in the future!
Ok maybe he's not. but he did have parkinson's.
No he is Even...
And has he got a surprise for you!
Yeah I think he eventually found the Fountain of Youth, and is "now" (well time has no meaning to him anyway) disguised as a U.S. art school graduate, waiting for his chances to REVENGE and annihilate all of us out of existence. Sooo, BE CAREFUL!1!
PWNED!1!
(http://www.sylpher.com/DGMacphee/Photoshop/backfut1.jpg)
This is some terrible hoax.
posting hitler pix sucks hard... you're not funny guys.
You're right! We might as well just give up!
(http://membres.lycos.fr/agisite/napalmq.gif)
Whoops, my finger slipped!
EDIT: Okay, I made this to satisfy all those who are against posting photoshops of Hitler:
(http://www.sylpher.com/DGMacphee/Photoshop/hitlerwarn.jpg)
Serious point about Hitler jokes: I think there's nothing at all wrong with them. I'm guessing what those of you who disagree think is that it's disrespectful of the Nazi regime's victims. IMO it isn't at all (Unless it is, of course. Depends on the exact joke and its exact context.) - I don't see how making fun of him would be. Certainly you can't mean that Hitler ought to be respected.
The thing about the man is that he was a complete clown. Nobody really has to do anything much to make him funny. The whole fear and awe comes from the fact that for a number of reasons, a lot of them luck, he had the power to enforce his ridiculous ideas. The whole thing would be quite comedic if it hadn't resulted in millions of unpleasant deaths.
The actor Serdar Somuncu (http://somuncu.de) toured Europe for a few years reading from Mein Kampf. I never had an opportunity to see him (or if I did, I missed it), but I've heard recordings. It's quite fascinating, as well as amusing - if you can find anything, be sure to listen. There's a CD available of one such reading in Germany; unfortunately I can't find any evidence of any English language recordings existing, but I know he's read in English as well.
Oh , no , of course not.
I have never , ( even though once when I was a stupid kid I made the mistake of imitating a certain Bugs Bunny / Daffy cartoon ) , respected Hitler.
I just think it's annoying when a thread turns into nothing but posts of "funny" Hitler pics.
I'm all for making fun of Hitler ,
I just don't see what's so funny about doing it in a public forum instead of making a website or something...and I don't get what's funny about putting him mixed in with other stuff I like , such as Back To The Future.
Then again I've really only seen two or so such threads ....
Hmm.
Quote from: Queen Kara on Tue 08/06/2004 19:27:08
I just don't see what's so funny about doing it in a public forum instead of making a website or something...and I don't get what's funny about putting him mixed in with other stuff I like , such as Back To The Future.
Sometimes contrasting one thing against another = funny. In this case, one thing (BTTF) is pleasant whereas the other (Hitler) is not. I think that was funny- compared to say Hitler and the Titanic sinking (two tragic things).
Well, I live in Austria, some of you may know that Hitler was austrian, and that Austria was the southern part of the third reich, called "Ostmark".
over here Hitler and Nazi stuff is a very critical topic. In Austria there are strict laws against any form of nationalsocialism, which means that even svastica signs and Hitler pictures are forbidden.
But that's not the point of it. The problem is that many of our grandparents actually were Nazis or fought in the Wehrmacht. You can never know what your grandfather really did... was he one of those bastards who killed that many people, who did such evil things? You really can't know such things since a huge majority of the austrians voted in 1938 for an annexion with germany. Of course there was pressure... well, I'll stop here, this wasn't supposed to be a history lesson or something.
What I wanted to say, is that we have a party in our government, called the Freedom Party and this party has really problems dealing with our history. They play down nationalsocialism all the time, since they have strong roots in the nsdap themeselves, and many of the party founders had actually been Nazis.
I don't know if some of you already visited a former concentration camp (KZ)... well, I did and if you saw something like that - an industry of death, murder and slaugther, than it's really hard to see anything funny in person like Hitler.
I've been to Auchwitz-Birkenau and I cried when I was there.
But if you can't poke fun at the things you despise, what can you poke fun at? After all, it was a Jew who wrote "The Producers", and you don't get much more close-to-the-bone Hitler jokes than that.
/me breaks into a rousing rendition of 'Springtime for Hitler' with SSH!
Quote from: SSH on Tue 08/06/2004 21:54:26But if you can't poke fun at the things you despise, what can you poke fun at?
Friends, odd social habits, racial differences, standard comedy routines.
I can't really laugh about Hitler, it's hard for me to disregard the millions who died. It's odd that it isn't so with the WTC disaster though.. maybe because I feel like it's partly my tragedy too. WWII is in the past and didn't affect me, but the WTC attack did and so I feel I have a right to comment about it as I please. Maybe the Jew you mention felt the same way. BTW if you wonder what I mean when I talk about joking about the WTC attack I mean airport security, jesting about bringing bombs into airports, etc. It's been done a lot.
Ah. Sites like this should be just ignored. The more attention they get, more such things will appear. Like after this thread, every reader checks out the page, visitor counter shows bigger number and freaky people behind all of this rub their White hands.
Eck.
Hitler pics are quite funny and serve useful purpose of reminding humankind some things learned from this worldwide genocide sixty years ago.
Kara, you thought there were people maliciously sabotaging alternate-view sites? Certainly not the police...they go for child porn and sometimes bestial porn but that's because those things are illegal...opinions are not illegal.
Anyway...this is definitely not a "joke / hoax" site.
and I don't understand why everyone thinks it's so controversial....
1. Don't like gay marraige. ??? So what. Most of America doesn't...that's why it doesn't exist; a Christian opinion.
2. Don't like racial mixing. A bit wierd, not my opinion...but nothing wrong with this opinion...sounds pretty Christian.
3. Want less immigration. I know a lot of Americans who would agree with this also...nothing against foreigners, but when immigration is largely one-way, it begins to cause crowding...
4. Don't want non-European immigration. This is racist. But it's not "hate", and not very extreme...
5. Want less money spent on certain Indian funds. They believe this to be a waste of money. I haven't looked into this so I can't put my opinion here...
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So what do you have? A website with mostly Christian and/or Republican ideas. I'm neither, but a good many people are...
Racism and hate are different things??? That's news to me.
As for making fun of Hitler and other atrocities: I'm the kind of person who thinks some humanity and compassion is spared when you can at least laugh in the face of war or horror.
As long as people can still find humour, we can cope with anything.
1: Yes it does Stuh! Woo hoo! Finally!
Meanwhile other countries totally surpass the US when it comes to Freedom which is why I'm totally confused as to why the US is called the land of the free...
anyways:
http://www.titler.com/
and more specifically: http://www.titler.com/about.html
Gay Marriage is also about to be offered by the Cherokee Nation (Native American Tribe, I live in the capitol). Because of the way the language works and the way the law is written, it is possible for gays and lesbians to marry. A license was issued a couple of weeks ago.
Native American tribes are seperate entities from the US government and are allowed to do many things illegal by US law, such as their casinos and cockfights (and now gay marriage).
Colossal: yeah...I don't think many educated people still consider America the land of the free since Bush2.
Your website scares me too much to press any of the buttons...whatever joke it is, it's not worth it...
Macphee:
QuoteRacism and hate are different things??? That's news to me.
yeeah.....
Racism is when you judge people of different races as if they have different ability levels (either worse OR better), or make separations based on race.
Racism has absolutely nothing at ALL to do with hatred...the only thing they have in common is that if you are a race-hater you are also probably (but not necessarily) a racist. It would be possible to be a race-hater and not racist if you acknowledged that you had no rational reason for hating the race.
I'm not a race hater, but I am a racist, and I'm not afraid to deny it. I make judgements on people based on their race. And not only that, I make judgements based on their sex, based on what kind of car they drive, based on where they live, based on what music they listen to, based on what their hobbies are, based on their GPA, based on their friends, based on their significant others, based on their jobs.
Yes, I do these things. And anyone who doesn't is either blind, a liar, or a hypocrite.
QuoteNative American tribes are seperate entities from the US government and are allowed to do many things illegal by US law, such as their casinos and cockfights (and now gay marriage).
I can see why they dont want to give them more money
I dont see anything wrong with gay marriage. The first amendment seperates church and state. If people are against it because of "religion" then that shouldnt mean its illegal. My oppinion is that if it doesnt affect me, then let them. What has a gay person ever done to you? And all you homophobs should realize that married gay men are less likely to check you out. I dont want any of you all to accuse me of being gay because of this post, Im just speaking for the rights of freedom.
I have made political sites before, I must tell you that the people who visit them ususally have racist and hatefull veiws. Thats their right, you cant go making fun of them because they think differently.
I really dont see why anyone hates certain groups. Africans, Arabs, etc... Lets face it, the human race started in that part of the world, people cant be dissing on their roots. I loathe people who are racist, homophobic, and think they are better then others. Why do so many people hate commies? Russia wasnt a commie nation under stalin! America never went to war with Russia. America went to war with france and england before, but I dont see people dissing on the europeans. Humans are ignorrant and need to learn how to accept cultures. In the perfect world, there wouldnt be a master race, it would be a 32bit world, millions of colors, but no hate.
Ah, Stuh. You gotta love someone who can rationalise racism. It's just like Christians who say "I don't hate homosexuals. I just hate homosexualisty".
Quote from: kl4Uz on Tue 08/06/2004 21:39:01
many of our grandparents actually were Nazis or fought in the Wehrmacht
I wouldnt care about that really, at least they showed respect for their nation. Hitler was a great leader, just really messed up in the head. He killed the jews, not the random ss guy in bastogne or austria. Most of you need to do some research. Hitler isnt the biggest killer, just the most well known. The american indians were persecuted, the people forced into arenas by rome, Stalin killed millions in russia, Saddam killed many, The fricking pope ordered crusades on Muslims. Look into the pages of the bible and you will see massive murders. God killed almost everyone in a flood. Everyone has a secret past they need to live with. keep it in your head so you dont repeat it, but dont go bringing it up.
It seems that the topic of Hitler jokes stopped a little while back in the topic, but I just remembered something so I'm posting about it anyway.
Completely forgot who the quote was from, but I think it applies to the subject of Hitler jokes:
"Just as imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, mockery is the sincerest form of disparagement."
Quote...you will see massive murders...
Good point, LostTraveler. There has always been more sick people than Hitler was and will be in future.
As far as WWII goes, I think that "Enola Gay" crew that dropped out atomic bomb over Hiroshima were alot more murderers than Hitler was. They caused more horror and death in 2 minutes than Hitler caused in five years. Why not post their pictures? Or Truman's? Or pick another random mass murderer? Hitler is just popular in some way, IMO.
QuoteWhy not post their pictures? Or Truman's?
QuoteThe american indians were persecuted, the people forced into arenas by rome, Stalin killed millions in russia, Saddam killed many, The fricking pope ordered crusades on Muslims. Look into the pages of the bible and you will see massive murders. God killed almost everyone in a flood
So, "why don't we mock those people?" is what you're asking.
Well, for one thing, look at the context of the threads. The first one (the Brazillian one) was due to someone referencing a Nazi propaganda poster and it went from there. This thread turned into a Hitler pic-fest because someone mentioned the Brazillian thread.
Having said that, I'm sure there have been times in the past when we've mocked God or Saddam (remember the comparisons to Santa?) or any number of targets.
Some people just assume we do nothing but post photoshops of Hitler all the time just because two or three threads (out of a gargillion threads) have a few pics that mock him.
oh, you mean you DO have other past-times?
Damn... I guess that means I have to go get a job... :(
Surprisingly, yes, I do other things than mocking Hitler. ;D
Quote from: stuh505 on Wed 09/06/2004 05:37:47Yes, I do these things.Ã, And anyone who doesn't is either blind, a liar, or a hypocrite.
Ah, the classic internet disclaimer... "If you say you don't do [whatever] too, you're in denial!!!"
You can't just justify any behavior you like by claiming that everyone else does it secretly as well.
There are probably more hate/racism sites out there than the opposite. Probably because the morons and racists browse more intensely, they spend more time spreading their hidious views and beliefs, and they are much noisier in everything they do.
Quote from: InCreator on Wed 09/06/2004 06:45:30
As far as WWII goes, I think that "Enola Gay" crew that dropped out atomic bomb over Hiroshima were alot more murderers than Hitler was. They caused more horror and death in 2 minutes than Hitler caused in five years. Why not post their pictures? Or Truman's? Or pick another random mass murderer? Hitler is just popular in some way, IMO.
I think 6,000,000 jews were killed by Hitler's decission, whereas in Nagasaki and Hiroshima died about 50,000.
That means Hitler's most important decission in the war killed 120 more times than Truman's. I simply don't know if you're not good in maths or history.
In adittion...
2,000,000 japs killed. (They caused the death of 11,500,000 chinese--->Who after being liberated started killing Tibetans :P)
Whereas the deaths caused by Hitler were: 29 M of Russians, 6.25 M of Polish, 6 M of Germans, 1.66 in Yugoslavia...
I could go on, but, again, the cyfer is overwhelming.
So, please... Do not compare Truman with Hitler... :P
QuoteAh, Stuh. You gotta love someone who can rationalise racism. It's just like Christians who say "I don't hate homosexuals. I just hate homosexualisty".
Affirmative action is racist
You're still rationalising racism. It's not healthy.
By your logic, this is racism and affirmative action tied in a bow:
"Hello! I'm belive in cultural diversity and equal opportunity, but I judge you on your race, because racism and affirmative action are the same thing! Yes, you're equal to me despite your race, but I'm still going to judge you on your race!"
See, my Bullshit Detector (TM) is going off the wall here. I find it very hard to believe you'd think someone is equal to you (whatever race they may be) and then judge them on their race. It's a contradiction. Either that, or you're just hiding your hate for a particular race.
Look at it in the context of two people of the same race. It's like me saying, "I won't speak to Andail, because he's different to me. Granted, he is equal to me, but I still won't talk to him."
Sorry, Andail! I'll always talk to you, dude! ;D
Quote from: stuh505 on Wed 09/06/2004 05:37:47
I make judgements on people based on their race.
What kind of judgments, exactly?
Let me knock down a strawman or two.
Quote
4. Don't want non-European immigration. This is racist. But it's not "hate", and not very extreme...
Oh, yes it is. Refusing to let people immigrate based on to what race you consider them to belong is saying "people of this race are inferior, they're unfit to live in my country". It also
massively alienates other people of this category already living there - after all, if you don't want to let them in, nobody can guarantee that you wouldn't try throwing them out as well.
And imagine if you were to try to enforce racial segregation. Let's assume for the moment that you'd be trying to do this without the appearance of hate or considering members of one race inherently less valuable (in toto) than those of another; and for the sake of simplicity I'll pretend sharply separating people into races is possible, and that there are only two of these. How could you do that?
Take any arbitrarily chosen "good part of town" where people would want to live. Most likely, there will be both white and black (the terms "Caucasian" and "African American", quite apart from the inapplicability of the latter outside the US, seem rather silly to me - not only can I think of no good reason why they should be considered any less offensive, but they also take longer to type/write/say and add a ridiculous geographic component) families living there (ignoring the possibility of mixed-race marriages). If you want to separate the races, one of them will have to move.
But which group will you evict? Either way, many of them will have lived there for quite a while, and will be attached to their homes. Do you decide by majority? That would be hardly fair: after all, it's a fact that there are more white people in the US than black. You'd end up throwing a huge lot of black people out of the pleasant spaces - they mostly wouldn't be able to move to another because you would not have enough good "black sectors".
Since you don't hate and therefore can't possibly think the ever so noble goal of racial purity would justify the amount of suffering caused by deporting vast numbers of people to poor and/or otherwise unpleasant places, you wouldn't want that. But similar problems would arise with
any way of choosing. Eventually you'd end up having to look at a big list of communities and try to figure out which ones to give to which race, and then making nearly everybody move.
In other words, it would be
stupid. All that effort and all the cost of moving so many people and their possessions around for a cause with absolutely no rational justification behind it; if there's anything approaching one, this clearly outweighs it.
Now, about affirmative action - I don't pretend I know a lot about exactly who does what in that respect, but generally I think treating people better because of their race is wrong.
However, and this is a big however, if a group is regularly treated unfairly, e.g. passed over because of prejudices towards their race, harming their changes of finding a job, getting research grants, and so on, then that certainly justifies helping them in some way. Affirmative action is one of the possibilities, as are anti-discrimination laws. I'm by no means claiming that what of this sort there is in the world is perfect, nor in many of the cases even very good at all, but I certainly don't agree with people complaining about such measures as long as they're still necessary.
I reckon the Native Americans have a bit of a right to whinge about immigration...
It's more subtle racism that I fear the most... things like the UK Independence Party, AKA Don't let the Krauts and Froggies (French) run England. And this anti-European agenda is prevalent throughout the UK Mass Media and is infecting other European countries too.
But althoguh stuh505 has spouted a lot of rubbish, affirmative action is racist. IN the UK there is the "Equal Opportunites Commision" apparantly they recieve more complaints from men than from women about sexism "This isn't why we were set up" one representative bemoaned. OF COURSE IT IS, F00, you can't promote equality for some and not for others...! On the otehr hand, NOT doing affirmative action might also be racist simply by promoting the racist status quo. Finding the perfect middle ground is impossible, but we shoudl try and get as close as we can.
The Labour party forced a percanetage of its election candidates to be female for a while,, but I think they had to drop it.. it is unfair on some excellent men candidates who missed out, but then it has increased the female percentage of MPs to something like 10%.
Sorry SSH, but who are the froggies? Im american :-\
A KKK leader once said they are not against others as much as they are pro white. Veiws like that are hiding racism. Its allways been around us, its not changing. There are 3 reasons I feel there is racism.
- You grew up in a family that was
- Another ethnic group offended ou
- You need a scapegoat
We cant eliminate any of those reasons at this time, but we can change the kids who grow up as racists. More diversity and history in schools. This has been looked over many times in the past because racists rule the government in some cases. A simple thing like renaming black history month to diversity month would go a long way. People just dont want it to. We can debate all we want but nothing changes, people should relize this. Action speaks louder then words, reforms in the government regarding to equality and the current wellfare system should be instigated.
QuoteThat means Hitler's most important decission in the war killed 120 more times than Truman's. I simply don't know if you're not good in maths or history.
I don't think that dead human beings can be just counted with numbers. Wheter you kill one or thousands, you're still a murderer. But if you like math, read again. WWII lasted for about five years. Atomic bomb explodes and kills really damn fast plus - there was two of them. And doesn't leave much to bury - just shadows.
QuoteI'm not a race hater, but I am a racist, and I'm not afraid to deny it.
Come on then, deny it! I dare you!
Helm, welcome back...
but are you okay? digging up old threads, for shameeeee
bring back GAC....
Racist sites and organisations? christ, try the British education system, seperating black and white kids to different classes? talk about breeding bigotry!
Out of interest... which class does perform better?
I had a friend who spent a year in the UK when he was 8 or so.
Every other kid in his class was West Indian or Bengali, and he was a pale red head. It's more amusing than anything else though, and he enjoyed it.
Yeah, Helm, dig up GAC instead of these old threads!!
Alhtough it was good quote you found there.
Now, color me stupid, but isn't gay marriage legal in Massachusetts? (Sorry, just commenting on a very early post in this thread.)