When will there be someway to take the games with .exe extensions and play them on a MAC?
Really, how am I supposed to procrastinate at work?
I would like to play a tale of two kingdoms or the new KQ3, but just can't.
Is there anyway to play them with the DOSbox. It works well with old DOS games, but not with the games mentioned.
This may be a "technical" question, but my main question is why don't you AGS folks care about us MAC users? We're people too dang it.
>:(
Just get a new one with an intel processor and use Bootcamp or Parallels Desktop, or something else to run windows on it. Or, on a PPC mac, you can try to suffer through using Virtual PC. It's not sooooo bad. Also, there's a mac runtime for AGS, it just only works with very very few games.
You might want to try it again man ... Because everything just works on Macs.
Though I don't know how you managed to mess it up because Macs work like you do, just intuitively, so there's no way you should have been able to mess it up.
This is quite a mystery indeed.
Very helpful comment, Darth.
Try running Linux on your mac; most AGS games run under Linux.
Unfortunately, the Mac runtimes of AGS have not been updated for about two years, so games newer than that will probably not run "native".
get a proper pc you damn hippy! :D
(no really, i mean it)
Quote from: yukonhorror on Thu 28/02/2008 22:48:56
This may be a "technical" question, but my main question is why don't you AGS folks care about us MAC users? We're people too dang it.
>:(
When you start getting viruses, or at least stop being so proud that you don't, AGS will finally be ported to Macs as well :=
Quote from: BOYD1981 on Fri 29/02/2008 10:58:11
get a proper pc you damn hippy! :D
(no really, i mean it)
Seconded.
Here is a useful patch. (http://www.microsoft.com/windows)
Quote from: Stupot on Fri 29/02/2008 11:19:45
Here is a useful patch. (http://www.microsoft.com/windows)
No, don't use that patch, i've tried it, it had a crappy outlook, was full of viruses and stole some of my soul.
If you got an intel mac though, just run windows with boot camp or other similar program, it works fine.
Here's a handy article (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant) that may be of some help. Happy reading! :D
I love all the anti-Mac sentiment being hurled at all of the highly-vocal, voracious, and apparently invisible Apple zealots in this thread. Poor poor straw man.
Vince...get a pc you hippie.
*dashes down the yellow brick road with Dorothy
Quote from: Vince Twelve on Fri 29/02/2008 12:34:06
I love all the anti-Mac sentiment being hurled at all of the highly-vocal, voracious, and apparently invisible Apple zealots in this thread. Poor poor straw man.
It's particularly awesome when they're hurled by
Windows zealots. Deep down, Apple and Microsoft are the same creatures, with superficially different attitudes and clothing. You're basically on the same side, guys. Here's a list of a different sort of "patches". (http://distrowatch.com/)
we're note zealots! we're realists!
and our side washes, everyone knows that people who use linux can't afford soap, and if you've bought a mac you no longer have any money to.
but really, people shouldn't complain when the choices they make aren't compatible with the choices other people make and then expect them to do something about it. you know when you buy a mac you know that it's not going to be able to run stuff that isn't designed for it UNLESS you use windows on it, and really just what is the point in buying a mac if you're just going to use windows? you bought your mac now live with it!
PC users just get on with whatever it is they're using their PCs for... MAC users go round telling everybody and opening up their Macbooks in the middle of Starbucks and looking around to make sure everyone knows about it.
Theyre the kind of people who come back from holiday and 'accidentally' spill all their Euros on the shop counter just so that you know they've been on holiday. They're the kind of people who stand there, expectantly, waiting for you to make a comment on their haircut when it looks exactly the same as it did last time they had it cut two weeks ago.
Stupot, I'm so happy to see that there are people who think the same about Macs as I do!
i remember one marketing scheme mac had were these commercials of people explaining that they use macs because its so simple to use and how confused they were when using pc's. it was a great marketing strategy but i think they should have added a tag onto the end of the commercials saying "MAC! computer for dummies". so far i own a nice little render farm all on custome built PC's both with winxp32 and winxp64 and ive never had any problems. my audio system running nuendo runs soooo smoothly and my current project currently has 89 tracks and climbing and hasnt crashed yet. my friends mac running pro-tools needs to be rebooted every once in a while cuz something always messes up
The only problem I really have with Macs (aside from Mac Snobs - which Stupot nailed on the head! Very funny BTW!) is the over-all attitude mac users have that Macs are "better" than PCs.
Macs are not better, they are just different (and vice-versa).
This is a distinction that both sides seem to lose I think ...
I just like to tease mac users when their "everything just runs on a mac" statement doesn't hold true.
Just my opinion.
try this:
http://www.justsayhi.com/bb/apple_addiction
I scored 0%
I have a mac. It's shiny and yellow and keeps me dry when it rains.
Hasn't this happened before?
I WORK for an Apple zealot. Meaning, if I use a PC at work, I get my head bit off. MAC's have their advantages as do PCs, but I am forced to use a MAC at work (if I want a computer). Considering I am a grad student doing research on molecular computer simulations, not having a computer would be a bit of a hindrance.
MAC's don't have Linux, they have Unix. I tried to use the LINUX stuff for a tale of two kingdoms and got shot down like a Nazi plane in England.
Oh yeah. This thread makes a great case for the Mac users being the smug ones. ::)
I own a MacBook Pro and a MacBook, both of which I use every day. They both also run Windows. My primary take-to-work computer, the MacBook, runs Windows probably 90% of the time. Our home computer, the MBP runs OSX probably 90% of the time. So, as someone straddling the fence, I'm going to make a long post with my observations on the debate.
Here's how I see it: OSX has fewer programs, obviously, and with more choices on Windows, you often have the upper hand. So you can not do everything on OSX that you can on Windows. However, as far as average daily use goes (surfing the net, using email, watching movies) the mac is a lot easier for the computer layman to use safely.
Thanks to Windows being the prevalent technology, Mac users have very close to zero viruses and malware targetting their systems. So, when my wife is using the OSX at home, I don't have to worry about our computer being turned into a adware colony while I'm off at work. (Her previous computer, an NEC Windows XP laptop was utterly unusable after less than 2 years of use. I wiped it and it now runs the GIMPS (http://www.mersenne.org/) all day.) My wife loves it and has figured out on her own how to do things that she used to ask me how to do once a week on Windows. You can call OSX "computers for dummies," but think of how many times you've had to clean adware off your mom's computer, or reinstall Windows on your Grandmas machine because she somehow managed to delete half of the system files.
I, however, am an advanced computer user, and want to do things like work on my AGS game and use many Windows-only programs out there that do not have appropriate replacements for OSX. So, I run Windows on my MB pretty much all the time. The MacBook makes a great Windows machine. Apart from the fact that it's much prettier than most other manufacturer's laptops, it's also a very sturdy machine. And Apple does have great customer service and warranty service, which some companies do not (obviously experiences vary, though). Apple's computers also run Windows faster than many comparable rigs. (I've seen the MacBook Pro called the best Vista laptop on the market) So, on a hardware level, they're expensive, yes, but I consider them worth it. If you don't that's fine. The added benefit of being able to boot up into OSX to use my favorite video editing suite, easily transfer files between my computers (seriously, macs do this so much easier than windows), and other nice features is a great bonus.
Yes, Apple users have a stereotypical aloof image, and Apple's own smug-ass advertising certainly doesn't help. But I honestly don't know anyone who fits that image. I know they exist. I can't imagine sitting outside an Apple store all night to get the first new iPod design on launch day, but some one does it. However, those people seem to me to be the exception rather than the rule among Mac users. Now look at the comments in this thread and tell me that those same attitudes don't run both ways and that the pot hasn't just called the kettle black.
People on both sides of the aisle who fight about which OS is better and insult the other side are kind of missing the point. Both platforms have benefits and both have down sides. Mac is better for some people's usage, and Windows is better for others. The beautiful thing is that you can use both on the same computer if you'd like.
It sometimes seems that the reason people get so vocally defensive of their own platform is because they need to make themselves feel better about their decision. Declaring your platform the best and only choice only makes your penis look smaller.
The problem with macs is between the screen and the chair :=
(Also, I'm no longer a mac user, sold the macbook, got a Compaq :D)
I don't like Big Mac's. There is something about the sauce that irritates my taste buds. Plus, why do they put that extra bun in the middle, I mean, what's the point.
yuck.
I would prefer to see a carrot instead an apple on my computer cover.
I resently bought a computer with Windows XP for 50 bucks, I though Eeek! I had just bought a MAC! Then it crashed, and I knew all was right with the world. ;)
Seriously though, 1) I have seen macs crash harder then me after the first time I got drunk (2) I hate how some mac users brag about how they don't get viruses or hack attacks. If they were the more common beast, they would get as many viruses as the worst windows. 3) Dedicated games are rarer then veal at a veagan convention.
Me? I am a DOS man, still a neophite, but I like the unclutterd look.
Quote from: lo_res_man on Mon 03/03/2008 22:51:33
1) I have seen macs crash harder then me after the first time I got drunk
Me too (not that I've seen you get drunk). Seems like there might be less driver or core OS related crashes than in Windows though, which sounds plausible due to the controlled hardware base.
Quote from: lo_res_man on Mon 03/03/2008 22:51:33
(2) I hate how some mac users brag about how they don't get viruses or hack attacks. If they were the more common beast, they would get as many viruses as the worst windows.
What's your point here? We should use windows because we feel sorry for it? Or because it has the biggest market share? This argument always makes me laugh. :)
Quote from: lo_res_man on Mon 03/03/2008 22:51:33
3) Dedicated games are rarer then veal at a veagan convention.
True. Gamers have little choice other than to use Windows.
Quote from: lo_res_man on Mon 03/03/2008 22:51:33
Me? I am a DOS man, still a neophite, but I like the unclutterd look.
I use Linux, but I'm no "Linux man". The OS is just a tool. You use whatever suits you best until you find something better. Not that I'm looking for anything better currently, Linux seems to do everything I need it to do with the least hassle, thus letting me concentrate in more important stuff than keeping my tools in working order. But I believe this has much to do with the way us users like to do stuff, so there's no such thing as the best OS for everyone.
I have MANY PCs and Linux computers, but I wish I had a MAC to play/test with and an Amiga too. I know PCs inside and out -- would love to learn other systems though. ;)
Macs are for people who want to look professional and cool. But that doesn't mean macs are proffesional. Shure you can use PS, but you can use it on PC better! Pc has more functionality, its common sence. Mac is just all about marketing, the aim was that cool people use macs.... The campaign has been quite successful, I must say.
However, if you know what demoscene is, then you know better, there aren't much demos for macs.
Crashing is secondary. Every computer is able to crash. The real thing that gets on my nerves, is Macs attitude, it is supposed to be cool and functional, then why doesn't it have a proper mouse.... I am not particualry talking about one button, but the overall mouse... it just sucks so bad that I have to use Trust.
Quote from: radiowaves on Mon 17/03/2008 16:03:06
However, if you know what demoscene is, then you know better, there aren't much demos for macs.
i doubt many people take into consideration the demoscene when choosing which hardware to buy, and the windows demoscene is mostly just about hardware acceleration and increasing system requirements these days anyway, which sucks and kinda defeats the point in my opinion. but if you were to base your choice of platform on the demoscene then yeh, get yourself a pc (or amiga :P)
I've always wanted an Amiga...sigh...
Well,
I agree with these mac snobs thingies, BUT:
Both my mother and my father are graphic designers, and thus we have four macs so far, one really old, two 5 years old and one completely new. I am not a mac snob. I do not say that macs are better. But I can definitely say, that they are somewhat faster in certain things. They handle PS and these kind of things better. And I dont talk about pixel art. I talk about 300MB images or so. They handle FreeHand and Illustrator better. This software has been originally made for macs, if I am not mistaken.
So - Stupot and radiowaves - from your statements I can now clearly realize that we are just stupidly rich businessmen (and the money is well hidden so we cannot use it until we are dead), we go to vacation every week, I go to a rich private school and so on.
I agree that PCs are more universal. I like to have a PC. But if I did things like my parents do, or whatever macs are better in - I would no doubt get a mac. I agree there are many people using macs just for their image yelling "Look, I have a mac, I am cool because I am different!", but guys - do NOT throw everyone into the same pack! From what you have written, it seems that you are just as "cool" PC users as those "cool" Mac users. You are now doing the same thing as mackers do with PCs - complaining about how it is useless. You are doing the same, just in different color.
As Darth said - they are just different. Not more, not less. That's it.
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Fri 29/02/2008 18:10:32
I just like to tease mac users when their "everything just runs on a mac" statement doesn't hold true.
People seem to confuse "Mac" with "Mac OS X". When the ads say "everything just runs on a mac", they are talking about the computer itself, not the OS. This weekend, I bought myself a copy of Windows XP for my MacBook Pro just to enable me to run AGS games on it (I love AGS so much). I can run an AGS game on Windows, which runs on my Mac, therefore I can run an AGS game on my Mac. Everything DOES run on a Mac.
BTW: A Mac is a PC, and always has been. People seem to confuse "Windows" with "PC".
I agree with Oliwerko that different computers have different strengths, obviously. I've been using Macs since OS 9, alongside windows PCs. I still use both depending on what I need to do. Aside from the general gaming and surfing etc that the average user does, I work a lot with audio, doing recording/mixing/composing/etc and I've found that drivers and compatibility issues abound on a windows PC because of the wide variety of hardware. With OS X I haven't had any issues with that type of thing, and all the professional studios I've been to use macs for the same reason. Plus, I like using Logic, which is Mac-only, even though the "industry standard" is pro tools.
I don't have a soul-patch, or wear a beret, or "work on my screenplay" in an internet cafe on my mac laptop -- I'm not part of the "indie" music scene, and I don't use iphoto to share my vacation photos online with all my mac friends. Your choice of computer should be based on what you're most comfortable and most productive working with, and what you expect/need to do. I'm very familiar with windows PCs, I have a computer engineering technology diploma which was 90%+ windows-based, and I worked for over a year as a network admin for a microsoft certified gold partner, maintaining 5 win2k3 servers and a 50 person staff of xp users. I really don't think there needs to be such an animosity between users of different computers, but that's just my several cents.
Quote from: Oliwerko on Mon 17/03/2008 21:17:56
So - Stupot and radiowaves ... do NOT throw everyone into the same pack! From what you have written, it seems that you are just as "cool" PC users as those "cool" Mac users. You are now doing the same thing as mackers do with PCs...
No way, my PC is shit and I'll be the first to admit it.
My PC is about as cool as Gary Glitter in a maternity ward.
I used to want a Mac. In fact, sometimes I still do. I mainly use Linux, which has gotten great at emulating Windows games. It does most of what I need just fine, except for editing movies. Apparently, Apple's iLife suite is great for that, but the combined price is just too high.
Heck, I could just apply an OSX Leopard imitation theme, and probably be just fine.
Quote from: Mugs on Mon 17/03/2008 21:21:28
BTW: A Mac is a PC, and always has been. People seem to confuse "Windows" with "PC".
Macs used to be based on the PowerPC architecture, but their recent move to Intel hardware removed this difference. You definitely couldn't install Windows on a PPC Mac. That's probably why people still talk about PCs and Macs.
I think the point he was making is that "PC" means personal computer. I know, even apple says "PC and Mac" as if they're 2 different things, but they're not. I used to have a Tandy CoCo 3, at the time it was called a "home computer" or i guess "HC."
a little wiki history:
"As one of the earliest and most successful home computers, it [the Apple 2] is widely attributed as the father of the personal computer industry and what sparked its revolution"
"The success of the Apple II in business spurred IBM to create the IBM PC"
So i guess technically IBM was the first to use the term PC to describe a personal computer.
"The term "personal computer" was common currency before 1981, and was used as early as 1972 to characterize Xerox PARC's Alto. However, because of the success of the IBM PC, what had been a generic term sometimes meant specifically a microcomputer compatible with IBM's products."
"In addition to PC-DOS, buyers could choose either CP/M-86 or UCSD p-System as operating systems."
So PC was never really a term associated with miscrosoft or windows-based computers until the laymen started referring to it that way. Like a facial tissue is a "kleenex" (at least in north america).
Anyway, as you can see I'm bored. Must be 'cause I can't play any games on my mac ;)
We all know what PCs and Macs and all these names refer to. We all know that PC is an abbreviation of Personal Computer and has nothing to do with any operating system. Despite this, I still say PC and Mac and everyone knows what I am talking about.
This reminds me of one cool company name here. It is "Universal Credit Bank" in english, "Všeobecná à šverová Banka" in Slovak, they used to be known as "Và šB". Some time ago, they changed the logo and also the name. Now they are "Và šB Banka" which stands for "Všeobecná à šverová Banka Banka" - "Universal Credit Bank Bank". Still, no one is worried about that.
People say - "Send me an SMS". And we all know that SMS is a Short Message Service. Despite this, I am not going to say "Send me an SM" just because of this fact, you know...
Got a bit off-topic, sorry for that... 8)
Apple have always marketed its Mac as different from a PC so I think we are excused for using the terms PC and Mac to mean two different types of computer when we all know that a Mac is a type of PC.
They created the distinction, not us.
... anyway... no normal PC would have one mouse button... just like no normal human has one big eye in the center of their head... they would still technically be human, but they would probably market themselves as a cyclops. ;D
Quote from: Stupot on Tue 18/03/2008 22:35:48
.. anyway... no normal PC would have one mouse button... just like no normal human has one big eye in the center of their head... they would still technically be human, but they would probably market themselves as a cyclops. ;D
Well, it's a good thing apple have produced a two-button mouse since '05 then ;)
Personally, I think it's just a matter of choice... I own the new macbook pro and have both OSX and XP installed on it and I use them indiscriminately! I prefer the OSX interface, but I am also a gamer, so I have XP installed for the sake of it! :)
Quote from: vict0r on Tue 18/03/2008 22:51:48
Well, it's a good thing apple have produced a two-button mouse since '05 then ;)
Really?... Then why are most Mac users insistent on still using the one-button mice? Is it so they 'feel' different to normal PC users?... using a second button is degrading. ;D
Well, it still looks like a one-button mouse, but it has this sensitivity thingy that feels where on the mouse there is more pressure! Alot of mac-users don't even know about it, so it might be a slightly retarded design...
EDIT: Thinking about it, it's actually a four-button mouse. Right, left, scrollball click and side button.
Yes, all Mac mice now have 4 buttons.
The laptops are still single buttoned, but they have a cool workaround. To right-click, all you have to do is place two fingers on the trackpad and click.
hmmm... my mate has a recent mac and conceded something like 'the one-buttoned mouse thing is a bit of a bastard'... I wonder if he knows about this two fingered malarkey.
I don't get the "crash" criticism at XP.
For example, last year, I recall at most 10 crashes. And every time it crashed because I did something really stupid.
Windows XP, if the hardware is proper both under computer case and users skull, does not crash. I don't know about Macs, but I guess it's about the same.
Windows ME, well, that was a different, painful and terrifying story. Let's not remember this one.
Viruses come and go. But to be afraid enough to skip playing games and aaaallll this software available to PC's sounds childish. "OMG, let's not go outside, never, you might catch cold!" Something like this.
Again, if you know how to handle viruses and how to browse net (get warez and porn from proper locations (P2P!), don't click banners), it's quite unlikely to "catch" something. Honestly though, a scan once in a month or two is still very advisable and a routine for casual windows user.
But just as with Linux, Mac users are OFTEN fanatics. Blind and dedicated, ready to attack even when there's no need to.
IMO, fanatics suck.
But with Macs being different, and so isolated from evil, "virus-infested" PC world, it's kind of interesting to see parallel technology evolving. They're still catching up with PCs. And still, in every damn Hollywood movie, that computer on the desk of department of whatever has a shiny blue apple logo.
I think Mac users (and I'm aware of generalising) have a tendency (as do Linux users) to feel they are on morally higher ground... that they have escaped the tight clutches of the evil, multinational, exploitative, bully, Bill Gates Corp....
But I don't expect Apple's practices are that much more ethical, are they? As long you've got access to Strong Bad's emails, who care's right?
Anyway, back to the original poster: the reason why many people don't get Mac's is because they're so damn expensive!
Sure, I could settle for a guaranteed-to-run Mac for $1,000 and up, but I could build my own PC and put Linux on it for much less.
Quote from: Mr. Psychopath on Wed 19/03/2008 20:48:13
Anyway, back to the original poster: the reason why many people don't get Mac's is because they're so damn expensive!
So true. My 15" MacBook Pro cost $2,499(US/CAN) while a Dell with equal (or maybe greater) specs would cost $1099 (US/CAN). Lucky for me, I got my MBP as a gift.
When it comes to pricing, the MacBook Air is Apple's worst product ever!
-1 USB port
-no firewire
-can't remove battery
-can't upgrade memory
-no built-in CD/DVD drive
-80 GB HDD(Slow) or 64 GB SSD
-Poor battery life
-Mono audio (I think)
-No ethernet
-Less than average graphics
All this for the wonderful price of $1799 (80GB HDD version) or $3000 (64GB SSD version). Awesome! :D
Quote from: Stupot on Wed 19/03/2008 08:29:28
I think Mac users (and I'm aware of generalising) have a tendency (as do Linux users) to feel they are on morally higher ground... that they have escaped the tight clutches of the evil, multinational, exploitative, bully, Bill Gates Corp....
So have PC users because they think that they are on higher ground just because Mac users think that they are on higher ground. It is the same. One side under a window and the other under an apple. Beside that, it is exactly the same thing.
Every system has its advantages and disadvantages.
Im sick of people arguing that one is better than the other for whatever reson.
Fact is, MOST people are bias, they own 1 PC with 1 OS and insist its the best and have no experience with any other system.
Luckily the community around here seems to be of a generally higher age than most and have tried many different OSs over the last 30 years and are probly in a better position to talk about it than the people i come across in other communities. :D
Quote from: Oliwerko on Tue 18/03/2008 19:36:20
We all know what PCs and Macs and all these names refer to. We all know that PC is an abbreviation of Personal Computer and has nothing to do with any operating system. Despite this, I still say PC and Mac and everyone knows what I am talking about.
(This particular quote used as representative of everyone else saying similar things.)
Actually, I
do find this terminology rather problematic. I know whether people are talking about an OS, an IBM PC (if anyone ever talks about that) or just any home computer because I can infer it from the context, but it is certainly not unambiguous! My laptop is a PC, but it's not "evil" or "virus-infested" (not the terms I would use, anyway, so don't call me a fanatic), has no Microsoft stickers or bundled stuff, and runs Debian GNU/Linux. If I want to talk about any other PC that is running Windows, I will refer to it as a computer running Windows (assuming that's the relevant part). I don't see the problem with saying what you really mean, nor do I see the reason for defending not saying what you mean.
I agree, tho i do it a littel differently.
The MAC, i always seem to refer as "The MAC" even tho its just a "PC" running OSX
The others i just refer to as "The <Operating System> PC"
Most other people i can also tell by how there talking or what their ralking about.
All these namings are quite disorienting. Can't companies simply join hands and create McWindunix?
Quote from: Lionmonkey on Thu 20/03/2008 12:24:15
All these namings are quite disorienting. Can't companies simply join hands and create McWindunix?
I think Ronald and chums are already working on it.
Quote from: Oliwerko on Mon 17/03/2008 21:17:56
Well,
I agree with these mac snobs thingies, BUT:
Both my mother and my father are graphic designers, and thus we have four macs so far, one really old, two 5 years old and one completely new. I am not a mac snob. I do not say that macs are better. But I can definitely say, that they are somewhat faster in certain things. They handle PS and these kind of things better. And I dont talk about pixel art. I talk about 300MB images or so. They handle FreeHand and Illustrator better. This software has been originally made for macs, if I am not mistaken.
So - Stupot and radiowaves - from your statements I can now clearly realize that we are just stupidly rich businessmen (and the money is well hidden so we cannot use it until we are dead), we go to vacation every week, I go to a rich private school and so on.
I agree that PCs are more universal. I like to have a PC. But if I did things like my parents do, or whatever macs are better in - I would no doubt get a mac. I agree there are many people using macs just for their image yelling "Look, I have a mac, I am cool because I am different!", but guys - do NOT throw everyone into the same pack! From what you have written, it seems that you are just as "cool" PC users as those "cool" Mac users. You are now doing the same thing as mackers do with PCs - complaining about how it is useless. You are doing the same, just in different color.
As Darth said - they are just different. Not more, not less. That's it.
That is because I presume they mainly use macs only for gfx, am I right? Yes, they can probably handle the stuff betterthan an average PC. The thing is, that people are just lazy to construct their own PCs, so the processor isn't dividing the recourses correctly, no matter how powerful it is. Therefore yes, macs can quarantee a quicker solution, but that doesn't mean its better. I am studying gfx also, work with 300Mb images and I still don't think macs are better. A good Dell will beat the crap out of it. You can work on mac as well on PC, but PC is more versatile on the hardware side and don't promote one certain pack like mac does. PC doesn't have the attitude that you have to limit everything to one single brand because it is just not about brand. Considering that Macs are turning more and more PC like, the brand limitation just gives off a negative commercial vibe for me. And I don't know where you got that money talk...
I still find it funny how the Mac users are called pompous when this thread is full of Windows users being pompous. I'm also still not sure why there's even an argument. Each platform is going to be right for certain people. Choose the one you want and let others choose theirs.
Don't we have more important issues to debate, like politics...
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