I don't see much wrong with it at all. I mean, so it's limited and stuff, but it's a pretty good program for a freebie. It's all I use. Anyway, anything with more options would probably make me dizzy with confusion. If anyone has a different opinion, I don't mind, post it here anyway! I'd love other arguments. So, what's your opinion?
I like Photoshop 8, but theres really nothing wrong with M$ paint, if you know how to use it
I think MSpaint is ok but i would rather use upaint
I am stupid. Ignore me and this post, i have seen the error in my ways with PS! I am converted!
I used alot of mspaint before I became more into photoshop. I still use it for my charcter art and animations and its great! I think you can make graphics nearly as good as the people who use 'better' graphic programms at a low resolution using ms paint. Anyway, didn't the earlier adventure game backgrounds like DOTT and the first M1 games use a programm similar to ms paint?
I still use MS Pain all the time. When I do pixel work the majority of my work is done in paint. But, for other things, like site graphics and pictures, I like to use Photoshop 6.
The reason people don't like Paint is because it is so limited and there are better programs out there for pixeling like Dpaint and such. And when it comes to pallets and anti-aliasing, PS comes in handy.
Just a matter of prefrence I suppose.
If price is the issue, why not try THE GIMP? It's free after all, and a good deal more useful than that other horrid program.
I like PSP 7 or 9, I hated 8, I have to use The GIMP at college now and then and I can't say that I like it =/
There's nothing wrong with MSPaint. I use it for everything, because it's the only tool I'm comfortable with.
I do, however, wish it had some better features, like free rotate, or the ability to save and load palettes like the Paint that comes with Windows 3.1.
The only things that MS Paint needs are Layers, then it'd be great.
Quote from: releasethefrogs on Thu 23/12/2004 04:52:58The only things that MS Paint needs are Layers, then it'd be great.
Couldn't agree more!
I used to use Paint over photoshop back in the day.Ã, But once I got introduced to layers (which was photshop 3 I believe) I have never looked back!Ã, With a little know-how you can work photoshop just like Paint but it has sooooo much more.Ã, I wouldn't have the patience to create some of my work in Paint ... it would just take FAR too long.
I think it boils down to preference basically.Ã, If you're content using it, there's nothing wrong with it.
There is a new paint out .
it use the net type program and is free . read more here (http://www.eecs.wsu.edu/paint.net/) about it .
Paint.NET is image and photo manipulation software designed to be used on computers that run Windows XP. Paint.NET is jointly developed at Washington State University with additional help from Microsoft, and is meant to be a free replacement for the MS Paint software that comes with all Windows operating systems. The programming language used to create Paint.NET is C#, with GDI+ extensions.
Paint.NET has many of the powerful features that expensive commercial applications have, including the ability to use layers. This is the second semester that Paint.NET has been a project at Washington State University, and we have the goal of adding as much functionality as expensive commercial applications provide, but of course, for free! In the spirit of all this freedom, we welcome any suggestions, as well as provide the source code free of charge for anyone who wishes to tinker with it. Please explore this website, download the software and try out many of the things you would do on those expensive commercial applications.
Quote from: Candle on Thu 23/12/2004 06:58:45
There is a new paint out .
it use the net type program and is free . read more here (http://www.eecs.wsu.edu/paint.net/) about it .
Paint.NET is image and photo manipulation software designed to be used on computers that run Windows XP. Paint.NET is jointly developed at Washington State University with additional help from Microsoft, and is meant to be a free replacement for the MS Paint software that comes with all Windows operating systems.
that statement kind of confuses me, it's a programme designed to replace paint on all windows operating systems but only works under XP?
Well, but:
Quote from: Candle on Thu 23/12/2004 06:58:45
Paint.NET is jointly developed at Washington State University with additional help from Microsoft, and is meant to be a free replacement for the MS Paint software that comes with all Windows operating systems.
As M$ was actually involved, by windows it would mean XP and later anyways. (What did you say? There're never a product called M$ Windows before WinXP!)
The programme required M$ NET framework installed, which I don't know what it is and I don't care anyway (I'm never interested in risking myself in installing something with such a name whenever I use win updates).
Er.. I think that someone (sorry for forgetting your name) was using MS Paint for the backgrounds in his game Missing Porno 48% or something like that, and actually, I thought the backgrounds looked great. I think that if someone is willling to put some time into making their backgrounds look good then no matter what kind of Paint system you use, it should always come out OK ;D So Viva MS Paint!!
For those of you who have used both MS Paint and Photoshop extensively, what is it MS Paint does better than Photoshop? Be it the GUI, palette, easter eggs or whatnot.
I love games made in ms paint. As long as its done properly.
Hell yeah exactly, if the games are done properly then it should be no problem ;D
I am not saying everyone should use photoshop. For one it's expensive or if you care illegal. I have 3 versions of photoshop though and well just say I found them cheap. but for those you have Photoshop and use mspaint...I say WHY? Photoshop can do everything the same as mspaint plus you get the layer option. It only takes using the pencil tool and you have a perfect pixel tool. Plus many levels of undo's in Photoshop compared to only a few in mspaint.
MSPaint is good. Notepad and MSPaint and Calculator are probably one of the advantages of using windows. The other is games :P (and programs that only work on win).
But paint is nice. Is still does something that no other program ever done, it can see white as transparent. Therefore it becomes so powerfull. In photoshop I have to erase the background manually. And ps8 cs has a AdobeLM service secretly installed which gives information on the net? i don't know, but doesn't work without.
MSpaint is made for those 320x200 games, and for designing characters, rooms (barbones at least), and the basics of your game. GOOD program.
Who has anything against paint? ??????
[edit] for jrl2222:
You are right, except one thing. Photoshop is made to edit photos (not exactly :P). In other words you need to have something to edit and improve using hi-tech fancy layers, and opacity, and many styles/bevels (which i dislike), etc. But if you want to draw three lines and a guy that has a sqare head and square body you will find is much easier in paint. I know I do find it easier to draw it by hand, scan it and paint over using psp. But for character to think of a character, and start playing around in paint, then move it in psp for final touches. That's whay I think anyways :P
I can agree that MSP is good... but I can't about the stalement of "It's better than... in... and..."! PSP can see whatever colour you want as the transparent, and I think it must be the same in PS... About the "It is the best for low res sprites and BGs..." Which is really the problem when working in small resolutions in PS and PSP???
And there's the layers, as some wise man said... ::)
So... Good? Yeah. The best? I think not in any of the aspects.
^ and not just white, you can select the transparent color by changing the right color. I use it for this work mostly
I have done alot of art work in photoshop with no problems at all....I used to a graphic designer for a screen printing company and also was on the art team for the Hero6 project. I'm not saying you can't do all the things you need in mspaint I am just saying that it is made easier with photoshop if you read up on how to use all the functions. Photoshop wasn't made to be a photoediting program it was made for print media yes that includes photo touch ups and stuff like that but partner it with illistrator and it can't be beat. Try to do a CMYK color seperation with 3 spot colors in most photo editing programs and you won't even find the options. But it still does sprite work just as well as anything else and to make a line just use the pencil...click the first spot where you want it to start...then hold shift and click the spot you want it to end...presto...a line
Edited as i defeated myself with my own argument, pointed out by lost.
HAve we read the rules?
Three golden rules:
1. Is your post interesting, helpful or funny? If not, don't post it.
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my point follows rule 1. this thread has no real point, its not that interesting and there are no jokes. nobody ever said there was anything wrong with paint, so why are you defending it?
Whoever said I was defending it? I just have heard a lot of bad things about it from some and wanted to know everyone else's opinion. And I think this IS an interesting thread, but then for me, watching the grass grow could be interesting. ::)
If nothing else, it introduced my to Paint.NET. I messed with it a bit last night. It's still got some shortcomings and annoyingly left-out features but it's certainly leaps and bounds beyond paint. Strange how they've dropped some features people, probably because they personally don't use them. I miss the polygonal lasso. The easy anti-alias toggle is nice and the normal palette is much more useful. The default filters are fairly crappy but could prove useful occasionally.
Rule 3 zooty ;)
I dont see anything wrong with this thread in my oppinion, its harmless like unlike those "LETS REVOLT" threads last week.
Paint is only limited by the user. You could get around missing layers, just Paint the seperate layers, save them individually, and copy/paste. You could do manual anti-aliasing, just about everything. It takes time tho, thats why people prefer other programs, its faster to do complex things.
I thought this topic was interesting and I wouldnt have posted otherwise. Zootymust remember that people are allowed different opinions and that doesnt mean that if you dot agree then you can act like a moderator. If you dont like the subject of the thread then dont post. Its simple enough and it lets the people who WANT to have a conversation about a specific topic have one. So please, try not to put people off posting on a thread just because you're not interested in the subject.
you make a good point lost, however deathwish, if i and one other person wanted to talk about tortoise breeding, would that make it a viable thread?
i retract all prior statements and post my opinion.
I liked mspaint until i got psp, its much mroe diverse and jus faster to get good images. you cannot use layers or get easy accses to a wide palette in paint. it is very basic, but for simple pixel pushing, theres not much wrong with it.
yeh, and if you say people are entitled to their own opinion DeathWish, why did you go all wanna-be-a-moderatorish on Zooty for having his?
haha!
and for a non one word post, thanks boyd.
My only experience with PSP was back in the day when I used to buy PC mags.
I'd load the cover disc (which always seemed slightly more demanding than my processor could cope with at a tolerable speed), find a PSP demo, install, fiddle about, close and go back to M$ pain.
I like MS paint, and heres why. Its easy. No fuss, no mess, you just click and paint. Especially the lasso tool. In the recent free release of Ultimate Paint, the lasso tool is just stupid. I can't really see much use for layers, apart from when I'm animating.
So since UP sucks, and I can't be bothered downloading all the extra files I'd need for the GIMP, I'll stick to Pain. Until I get a scanner, then you won't see me for dust (on my way to buy PSP).