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Heres a few nice little stories that I'm sure will make everyone say the subject line out loud...

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/2942168/detail.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/03/23/kindegarten.marijuana.ap/index.html

Well, I suppose I better cheer people up after reading about the stupidity of kids...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/cpress/20040320/ca_pr_on_en/paris_hilton_injured_2

The sad thing is that I'm not surprised. It probably happens more often than you think.. The kids aren't the ones to blame, of course. Their parents are fucked up and don't care enough for their children to get help.. Expect to hear more stories like those..

Heh.. That Paris Hilton story reminded me of when Fabio got hit in the face by a goose while riding a roller coaster. For some reason, I just love that story..

I'd rather ask what is wrong with their parents, the kids are too young to know better.

Paris on the other hand...

Quote from: Esseb on Sat 27/03/2004 02:48:38
I'd rather ask what is wrong with their parents, the kids are too young to know better.

Couldn't have said it better myself.  

Is that what they used to call good horse sense?  ;)  

(http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/whiteplasticpig/wpp-fabio.jpg)

i should make a shirt with that on it...

as for children, my mother is a school nurse for an elementary school, you should hear what goes on there...

A week ago a kid brought a hand-gun to our school.

Kids now-a-days have no good role models.

They have MTV and the pop music culture.

It teaches the guys to be wanna-be-thugs who think they're tough guys and disrespective of woman.

And teaches the little girls to dress like whores and walk around with their butts hangin' out of their pants.

It's pathetic.

I agree with the comment about the parents.

My only hope is that when these kids grow up they'll realize how stupid that life style is and come around.  But it's unlikely ...

The future is doomed.

~ d

This is what really happened to Fabio. He should have held the Blue Cup a tad tighter on his ride.

(http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7xpq3/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bluecup.jpg)

On a serious note, this whole world is going to hell, and thank god i'll be long gone before it happens.

They're all fat as well.

I mean, jeez, how did those kids get so fat?

very young kids with drugs at school is obviously something to do with the parents (unless they got them from their local dealer)

Paris can just get fucked the stupid bitch, I wish the horse did a proper job

There is no excuse for Fat kids, it's obviously the parents fault for feeding them too much and letting them play computer games too much and too much tv, not burning off what they consume. (with a few rare exceptions like a thyroid or hormonal problem [but most of the time they are just excuses for bad diet & no exercise]) It's also the same for adults.

It's funny how some fat people make excuses and blame it on heredity (although that can be a factor, it's still just an excuse) It's funny how people say they just can't lose the weight (while eating 5 hot dogs and a plate of chips) then sitting on their arse (no fucking wonder).

Larger people do need to work harder to stay in shape, but it is laziness & diet that causes obese individuals. (and of course psychology plays a major role)

No offense to anyone that is overweight, but you know deep down that if you put in the effort you will be rewarded. It takes time, maybe even years, but it's a lifestyle not a chore.

what if the person isn't lazy just happy with how they are?

they don't need to be rewarded because they're already happy

besides, man-boobs rock.



Cc.

"We are, we are... the youth of the nation."  -P.O.D.

The boy "may have said it was oregano," said Mayco Villafana, spokesman for Miami-Dade County Public Schools.

the kids five, how the hell would he know what oregano is. Well unless its somthing americas use regularly.

-OSC

...

Well, I thought it was kinda funny:

Hmmmm.... think I'll smoke some weed. Let's see, where is it? Well, here's that oregano I put out for Junior's lunch, but I just can't find the.... hold on... OH SWEET JESUS IN HEAVEN NO!!!

Sorry, sorry. What I meant to say is: I blame MTV and those horrible, disrespectful rappers and so forth. Kids these days, I tell you.

Quote from: MrColossal on Sat 27/03/2004 06:11:14
what if the person isn't lazy just happy with how they are?

they don't need to be rewarded because they're already happy

That is also a very valid point, and if that's the case, There's no problem with it, In my head I was thinking about the people that complain about themselves but don't do anything about it.

It's all psychological how you feel and rationalise to yourself.

There's also people that can't put on any weight no matter how much they eat, it does come down to metabolism, but your metabolism changes throughout your life, and it is controlable with diet and exercise. You just have to know your own body and how different things effect it, similar to what C. lex mentioned in the 3 hours sleep insomnia thread.


On the topic of kids taking drugs, to any parent, don't just listen to doctors and get ridilin or dexamphetamines, these drugs are just as bad, if not worse than the street drugs their parents are taking.

Doctors are paid by drug companies to prescribe as many of these drugs as possible, the doctors get more benefits and patients, the more drugs they prescribe. What it comes down to is that people will go to doctors that prescribe these drugs, making the doctors think "well, I'll lose more patients if I don't start to prescribe these."

[There was a fantastic episode of South Park on this topic, I loved how they came up with ridilout]

It's a huge problem these days, and it could be easier to treat these children without resorting to drugs, also these kids will more likely develope other drug problems later on in life.

It's a major problem in the US, but is also a trend that is following in the rest of the developed world.

You've gotta remember that Drug companies are not just there to help people in need (although they may do that aswell) they are just running a business that is looking to make a profit (and a fucking huge one) they pray on easy targets, children & the elderly. (although If I get old, I guess I wouldn't mind getting high)

Only let your kids take anything as a last resort, even paracetamol (worlds largest placebo) or even anti biotics, let them build up their own immunity, you end up being able to fight bacteria much more effectively as you get older if you've refrained from resorting to anti biotics (you'll rarely ever get sick)

But then some people are just unlucky (or hypochondriacs)

Aaaahh, it's just a reflection on some really bad sides of capitalism.

Also there's a good reason a lot of people are lazy these days, we've made everything so easy, you hardly have to leave your house, and if you do, you don't even have to get out of your car.

So I think we're just starting to realise the reality that our technology has on us.

Humans of the Future = Fat drug addicted insomniac models on Mars.

NOTE: There are acceptions to every rule, and don't take any medical advice from me, or any strangers on the internet.

Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Sat 27/03/2004 03:44:02
Kids now-a-days have no good role models.

They have MTV and the pop music culture.

It teaches the guys to be wanna-be-thugs who think they're tough guys and disrespective of woman.

And teaches the little girls to dress like whores and walk around with their butts hangin' out of their pants.

It's pathetic.

I agree with the comment about the parents.

My only hope is that when these kids grow up they'll realize how stupid that life style is and come around.  But it's unlikely ...

The future is doomed.

~ d

That's why our generation is so cool, we grew up with the smurfs.  :)

Bah, seeing people my age nowadays I think is it not better to live in a strict muslim country like Saudi Arabia or Libia - at least they don't have the "Whore dressing" problem.

I preffer to grow in a country, having the right of become a wanker, and freely choosen not to be it, than growing in a country were being a wanker is not allowed...  :-\

EDIT: and I think I should define wanker... A lazy young person who watches "Cow and chicken?" all the day, has a bad relation with his/her parents, does not study or work, gets fatter in a sofa, smoking marihuana... You know what I mean.

Truly, this was not directed to any AGSer...

Just to avoid missunderstandings.  :)

I know that freedom is better, but some people are very ignorant about their views. I mean, COME ON, Marijuana is bad, it causes brain damage. It's not something to do in your free time.

Lol! I was making the edit before seeing Vel's reply...

I quite agree, specially with the marihuana stuff... I am not an anti-drug zealot, I think that a "cigarette of the laugh" in one party is acceptable, once a year (Ok, once a month) it's ok, but I think that spending money (and health) in that is not the answer.

Do you want to have a monthly budget for spending it in "non-politically-correct-stuff"? Buy games, your parents will probably won't be happy about it.

My father told it to me in an easy way... (changing a little bit of topic)...
-two packs of cigarettes per day, let's say... 5 bucks? 5 bucks per 35 bucks a week... Well, it's 1,825 bucks per year...

I choosed cycling... It's cheaper, as a carbon bicycle can last forever and costs just about 6,000 bucks... and healthier.

People must be explained this way, so, the intellect works. If things are just forbidden, the rebel instinct wins to the brain, IMO.

Freedom is not the problem, it's much a problem of education, I guess...

Quote from: Vel on Sat 27/03/2004 12:00:32
Bah, seeing people my age nowadays I think is it not better to live in a strict muslim country like Saudi Arabia or Libia - at least they don't have the "Whore dressing" problem.

You be a curious young man, Vel.

I think the major problem is that the "Just say no/drugs be Bad-Bad-Bad" messgae clashes badly with what a lot of the media says - that drugs can be fun, interesting and exciting. Wouldn't it be better to teach people that yeah, drugs can be great fun, but they're also something that can fuck you up royally, so should be treated with caution and respect? Also, if they were legal, it'd be possible to regulate the strength (impossible to tell, lots of the time) which would  help avoid overdoses, and to keep them from being cut with all kinds of nasty shit. Prohibition don't work. This we have learned.

And Farlander - so your dad sat you down one day and said "Son, there's a choice you have to make, today. You can start smoking, or you can start riding a bike."? :)

Davy

Yes Creed, something like that...

And I totally agree with your previous post... We must tell people that drugs are not the evil they showed us... They can be fun and all that, and yeah, you can be addicted in some way and not noticing any special major damage in your body (Which the anti-drug advertisement claim) but we must be sure to make people know that the damage will finally come...

When young people who thinks that they're going to ve killed by the first dosis, gather "valour" to test it, and realise that we haven't been telling them all the thruth, they believe that all we said was a lie and drugs will NEVER hurt them... no!

Being a parent now i have to admit i sometimes think what world have i brought him in to.....

This sort of thing worries me for the future.....

When he goes to school he is influenced by other kids..(that might have bad parents)...and i have no control....

Thats why its hard to find good schools,because every good parent wants the best for their kid...

The Worlds gone crazy in every way..

I blame TiVo, until somebody explains to me what it is.

"Whore" dressing... right. Makes me wonder who really has the problem.

Cigarettes are 6.35 in Ireland. I know people that go through a pack a day; that's like, over 2100 Euro a year, spent killing yourself.

Darth Mandarb is right.

My generation sucks becasue almost everyone has been exposed to messages such as "Drugs are fine"  and "Pimps are cool guys." or maybe  "I think I'm gonna go get myself some at a club with my fake ID."

My neigbors came over last night asking me to edit the 2 rap songs they were going to break dance to at their talent show.  I accepted, thinking this would be a good way to excersice my talent of music modification.
They gave me the 2 Mp3's:  "Yeah" by Usher, and "Tipsy" by Jkwon.
Here is a sample of the lyrics of "Tipsy":  (Remember, my neighbor is in Elementary School

Quote
Teen drinkning is very bad
yo i got a fake id though
yeeah, yeeah,yo, 2 step wit me, 2 step wit me

1, here comes the 2 to the 3 to the 4
everybody drunk out on the dance floor
babygirl ass jiggle like she want more,
like she a groupie and i aint even on tour
maybe cause she heard that i rhme hard core
maybe that heard that i buy out the stores
bottom of the 9th in the series gotta score
if i gotta move on to the next floor
here comes the 3 to the 2 to the 1
somebody trippin he dont know i gotta gun
when it comes to pop man do this for fun
you ant got one nigga you betta run
now im in the back gettin head from a hun
while she goin down i breakin down what i done
she smokin my stuff sayin she aint havin fun
chick give it back now you aint gettin none

everybody in this bitch gettin tipsy, everybody in this bitch gettin tipsy
now everybody in this bitch gettin tipsy

I'm only 13 and I'm appaled.
IF you want the rest of the lyrics click here. (http://display.lyrics.astraweb.com:2000/display.cgi?jkwon..hood_hop..tipsy)

As you can see, we are going no where.  We are taking a step backwards.  If something isn't done soon, were doomed.  

I've seen the future, and it smokes pot.

Something that pisses me off is that they ban music videos like Britney Spears new song from MTV, yet they let all these black rap videos stay where sex/drugs/pimping/whoring/etc is a common theme throughout, and women are objectified so nastily. They probably do it because they're afraid of being called racist or something. But what, Britneys songs get banned for her simulating sex, right... but other songs don't get banned for simulating sex, and promoting pimping, whoring, sex, drugs and guns?

Quite frankly though, I don't give a shit anyway. Because any person stupid enough to watch these videos and then copy them deserves to get beat up anyway, which eventually they will if they go down that path.

Pot is the dumbest thing ever. It's heaps more expensive than drinking and It causes really dumb effects like paranoir and the munchies.

maybe you should do some actual research and see what types of music videos they don't allow on MTV instead of just guessing

I can guarantee they don't allow a lot of "those black rap videos" and they don't allow a lot of white videos [whatever that means]

She obviously mispelled rap...she meant wrapped. Black wrapped videos, Makes sense not to like them...if you have dandruff and are giving someone a black wrapped video as a present, your problems becomes fairly apparent.

I'm assuming, and I may be going out on a limb here, white videos are talking about snow. And it would be prejudiced for MTV to show snow, as snowless people aren't represented in the video. So here in Florida, there are no complaints of such things, because you can keep your snow!

-MillsJROSS

Quote from: Pirate Jack on Mon 29/03/2004 05:31:40
Pot is the dumbest thing ever. It's heaps more expensive than drinking and It causes really dumb effects like paranoir and the munchies.

Dunno where you live, man, but dope is way cheaper than drink around here... you're talking soapbar resin, though, which isn't so great....
Incidentily, every sip of alchohol kills off a handful of your braincells, and they NEVER EVER grow back. Dope don't do that. Paranoia, yeah, that can happen, but I often get bad para attacks when I'm out drinking too. Different things hit people in different ways... To be honest, I'd much rather live in a world where everyone smoked dope at the weekends rather than geting drunk and prowling round the streets screaming, yelling, fighting and puking. You want a drug of the masses to sedate, not excite....
As for nasty song lyrics - hasn't it always been this way, really? It's just a shade more.. blatant, now... Check out some lyrics by the Beatles (Maxwells Silver Hammer, Happiness is a Warm Gun), or Frank Zappa(evevrything he ever did ever)...

Davy

I hate the majority of the world. And I truly mean that.

I'm lucky, in the respect that I've never allowed myself to be fully exposed to it. I keep good friends, and don't go to places where these kinda things happen. I don't understand what is so appealing to a 13 year old about getting stoned or drunk! How do they think that's going to help them in the future?? I know kids don't think that far ahead, but it's fairly obvious...

I hate most modern music in general. Most of it (besides lacking COMPLETE musicality, which I won't go into, but could verify for a million different reasons) contains themes which are appealing for all the wrong reasons. We try to stop teenage girls from getting pregnant, but look at all these songs! They talk about what an easy girl Sasha is, and how she's so popular because of it!... grr... it drives me absolutely mental.

In conclusion, Earth sucks. I wish I were dead - at least then I'd be heading off to a much nicer place - and I hope all the dickheads in society get a cheese-grater rubbed against their genitals.....

EDIT: You saying you prefer dope to alcohol? No way. I think both are dumb when taken in extremes, but drunks tend to be more personable than stoners. At least with drunks, when someone goes to stab you, you can say "WAIT!" and generally they will. When you piss off a stoner, they just go straight for you...

Also - I agree that these lyrics have just been a gradual progression. Even a lot of opera from the baroque period had questionable subtexts. But it is more blatant now, and that's the problem. By hiding subtexts, most kids don't pick stuff out unless they look (which very rarely happens). By just saying it plain, you're sending a very clear message.....

Quote from: Peter Thomas on Mon 29/03/2004 12:53:02
You saying you prefer dope to alcohol? No way. I think both are dumb when taken in extremes, but drunks tend to be more personable than stoners. At least with drunks, when someone goes to stab you, you can say "WAIT!" and generally they will. When you piss off a stoner, they just go straight for you...

Can't say that that's my experience, man. Maybe we gets different drunks here in the UK than you do where you be. We do have a binge-drinking culture here, I guess...
Two-thirds of all accident and emergency cases in this counntry are alchohol related, apparently. To be honest, and this might just be my cynicsysm here, I often feel that people just use being pissed as an excuse to act like twats...
Cannabis is a more calming drug, man, seriously. A guy who is high is much more likely to be engaged in a "why SHOULD you stab me, really? Will the long term consequences prove ultimetly advantageous?" debate than some prole who's been out all day with his mates, leering priapismicaly at the ladies, chanting football songs and knocking back bottles of Newcatle Brown...
Of course, there are other drugs, like speed, that can make people very violent and unpredictable. There's nothing in the world that's all good or all bad, really....

As for hating the world... it's here, matey, and it aint going anywhere. Get used to it, and search for the rubies in the dust. I despise football, but get it rammed down my throat for fifty weeks a year. But I burst out laughing whenever someone uses the phrase "making massive strides" because it makes me think of giant trousers. You gots to learn to tolerate the bad things and dance at the good...

Davy

but most of the world has in sight the end of the beginning of the midpoint of the blatancy of the redemption of those with the ability to find the solution to the problem that troubles the answer for the result of the question which was never resolved. The propitious detractors may survive the disclosure to the inebriated populace of our most inalienable behaviour towards ourselves. May the most Malawian contender succeed.

The problem is, of course, not as simple as just showing kids rap videos and the like and worrying they'll emulate what they see.  It's about desensitization.  For some reason, we've all just come to accept the crap in the world because, well, we gotta be "tolerant of others."  Rap music and videos are quite a strange anomaly.  They rarely portray real normal life.  If you think they do, your life is not normal.  I don't dispute the musical talent of rappers (I'm not just saying that to be "tolerant"...rapping is really a difficult thing to do well), but I think sometimes these rap artists feel like they have to put up an image.  How different things would be if rap music evolved to support good moral values.

[/migs'dailyramble]

I don't think there's any room for tolerance when it comes to the world's filth.  Things don't HAVE to be this way.  It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't involve me, but when it comes into my own home through sex/hate/racist/drug-oriented themes on network television shows, I don't see why I should consign myself to just pass it off in the name of tolerance.  I'm starting to get tired of the state of the world.  It's like an awful fad that won't go away.  Who knows how bad things will be just a few years from now.

What also perturbs me goes back to the original topic: how parents don't raise decent kids.  Here I am, doing my best to be a good role model to my young daughter, to teach her good moral values.  Then she goes outside and the neighborhood kids around her are cussing up a storm and calling people "bitches" and crap like that.  I'm sure I'll regret saying this, but sometimes I think freedom of speech has gone awry.  Moreover, it's socially unacceptable to ask the neighborhood kids not to talk about that stuff, since they're not your kids, and the parents will get mad because they don't share the same sense of values I do.  Would it really be so bad to live away from the world in a plastic bubble?

The only solution is to let our children know how WE expect them to act, and then to teach them to think for THEMSELVES.  It's not the best solution, but what else are we supposed to do?  I actually didn't realize those were the real lyrics from "Tipsy."  I've only heard the radio-edited version, where it goes "Everybody in the club getting tipsy."  Needless to say, the lyrics wouldn't even exist in a truly civilized world, where people cared about the welfare of their community and about the effect their actions have upon other people.  How screwed up and misanthropic do you have to be to create such garbage like that?

Quote from: Ami on Mon 29/03/2004 05:15:11Something that pisses me off is that they ban music videos like Britney Spears new song from MTV, yet they let all these black rap videos stay where sex/drugs/pimping/whoring/etc is a common theme throughout, and women are objectified so nastily. They probably do it because they're afraid of being called racist or something. But what, Britneys songs get banned for her simulating sex, right... but other songs don't get banned for simulating sex, and promoting pimping, whoring, sex, drugs and guns?

Quite frankly though, I don't give a shit anyway. Because any person stupid enough to watch these videos and then copy them deserves to get beat up anyway, which eventually they will if they go down that path.

I was up late one night, flipping through channels, and I found that BET (Black Entertainment Television) shows pure hardcore porn rap videos (semi-censored), if you're willing to stay up late enough to watch them.  WHAT, praytell, IS THE POINT OF THIS FILTH?  There is NO redeeming value to it whatsoever.

Man, Creed Malay, man, I would have never guessed you were a stoner man.  ;D

Don't try to argue that pot doesn't kill brain cells and alcohol does, that's just a dumb obviously flawed argument. Breathing in smoke and holding it in your lungs definately isn't causing you to grow new brain cells is it? They die from oxygen deprivation. It's a slow process though. Sometimes I think that the cells killed by alcohol and pot must be in different areas of the brain, because you can tell a stoner from an alcoholic.

I also don't think that the two drugs have any better/worse effects in comparison, it's the different kinds of people that will prefer one over the other.

Peter, you get stabbed often? You can argue a stoner out of something just as easy as a drunk.

Quote from: Peter Thomas on Mon 29/03/2004 12:53:02I hate the majority of the world. And I truly mean that.

I'm lucky, in the respect that I've never allowed myself to be fully exposed to it. I keep good friends, and don't go to places where these kinda things happen. I don't understand what is so appealing to a 13 year old about getting stoned or drunk! How do they think that's going to help them in the future?? I know kids don't think that far ahead, but it's fairly obvious...

I hate most modern music in general. Most of it (besides lacking COMPLETE musicality, which I won't go into, but could verify for a million different reasons) contains themes which are appealing for all the wrong reasons. We try to stop teenage girls from getting pregnant, but look at all these songs! They talk about what an easy girl Sasha is, and how she's so popular because of it!... grr... it drives me absolutely mental.

In conclusion, Earth sucks. I wish I were dead - at least then I'd be heading off to a much nicer place - and I hope all the dickheads in society get a cheese-grater rubbed against their genitals.....

EDIT: You saying you prefer dope to alcohol? No way. I think both are dumb when taken in extremes, but drunks tend to be more personable than stoners. At least with drunks, when someone goes to stab you, you can say "WAIT!" and generally they will. When you piss off a stoner, they just go straight for you...

Also - I agree that these lyrics have just been a gradual progression. Even a lot of opera from the baroque period had questionable subtexts. But it is more blatant now, and that's the problem. By hiding subtexts, most kids don't pick stuff out unless they look (which very rarely happens). By just saying it plain, you're sending a very clear message.....

I am 100% with you, Peter Thomas.

The largest problem, in my opinion, is the mass desensitization to sex and drugs.  It's not that sex itself is bad, it's just that we've been forcefed tragically mind-numbingly erroneous views on how people should conduct themselves sexually in a decent society.  That's the problem: I feel our society has become unliveable, because no matter how hard I try to correct the problems, it probably won't make a difference.  I shouldn't have to live in a place where I can't make a difference.

The situation with drugs is just awful.  It's such a waste.  It seems younger and younger kids are getting access to drugs, mostly due to idiot parents.  Sometimes I don't think natural selection is working fast enough on our species.

migs, I recommend editing posts instead of posting new ones, makes mouths happy. 3 in a row is 2 too many

also...

"Needless to say, the lyrics wouldn't even exist in a truly civilized world, where people cared about the welfare of their community and about the effect their actions have upon other people. How screwed up and misanthropic do you have to be to create such garbage like that?"

give me a break... a truly civilized world could take "dangerous" lyrics for what they are, lyrics. A truly civilized world could have 200 porn channels running nonstop with internal cameras inside the woman's vagina and in the man's anus and everyone would be fine with it because they realize that free thinking people are doing this not to corrupt the world and in hopes that little children find the channels but because it's something they want to do.

A truly civilized world isn't everyone walking around smiling and and not offending everyone else and hugging in the streets and never uttering a swear word or getting angry, a truly cilivilized world could take all the bad stuff that happens in the day and not allow it to escalate into a large problem like war, fist fights, shootings, wife beating, child beating, dog beating, cat beating, fricken hampster beating... This is the stuff that a civilized world won't allow this is the stuff that a civilized people won't even think of doing because they have the mental capacity to read a book with violence in it or listen to a song that has swearing [oh shit!] or watch a movie with violence in it and realize that they are not in real life. There will always be disagreements but a civilized people in a civilized world wouldn't let them get far. Not through enforcement but through common sense.

Hell, a truly civilized world may not even have any speed limits, doesn't that disgust you more that people can't be trusted behind the wheel of a car that they have to be threatened with jail in order not to do stupid things like go 120 miles per hour down a school street?

A civilized world can even totally hotbox Boston once a year in an event called The Anual Boston SmokeBomb.

"Who knows how bad things will be just a few years from now."

Pessimistic much? Just a few years ago in America black people were hung from trees in Mississippi... Women couldn't vote... nonwhite students weren't allowed on school buses with white children... All this has changed. Sure there are still struggles but goddamn man, wake up and realize that things are slowly getting better, I understand how frustrating it can be sometimes to look out the window and think "There are people dicking people over constantly out there right now, someone is shooting someone else, children are dying in the streets and there is flouride in my water..." but just remember, there are millions of people who aren't dicking other people over, there are millions of children who are getting help who would NEVER have had the chance a few years ago, and as for the flouride, I don't know get a Brita or something.

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Quote from: shbazjinkens on Tue 30/03/2004 04:01:25
Man, Creed Malay, man, I would have never guessed you were a stoner man.  ;D

Don't try to argue that pot doesn't kill brain cells and alcohol does, that's just a dumb obviously flawed argument. Breathing in smoke and holding it in your lungs definately isn't causing you to grow new brain cells is it? They die from oxygen deprivation. It's a slow process though. Sometimes I think that the cells killed by alcohol and pot must be in different areas of the brain, because you can tell a stoner from an alcoholic.

I also don't think that the two drugs have any better/worse effects in comparison, it's the different kinds of people that will prefer one over the other.

Peter, you get stabbed often? You can argue a stoner out of something just as easy as a drunk.

Heh. The "man" thing is more of a local dialect deely than a stoner affectation...
 Brain cell thing - I was playing devils advocate, I guess, because having one dangerous drug legal and the other illegal always annoyed me...
But you don't have to smoke it. Make dope-butter and mix it into a yogart. Bake it in a pie. Much more efficent, none of the wastage of smoking... :/

And I be with you 100%, Eric. LThe world isn't perfect, but it's a whole-whole lot better than it might be...

Davy

Quote from: shbazjinkens on Tue 30/03/2004 04:01:25
Peter, you get stabbed often? You can argue a stoner out of something just as easy as a drunk.

Point taken.  ;D

If it's worth adding so that a new, perhaps less world-hating attitude is perceived of my last post, then I believe this world is in the end times. Biblically, speaking, btw, so if you disagree, that's great. It's just my personal opinion.


And I agree completely with Migs. Although that's not terribly surprising, seeing as he agreed with me first. I'm not about to disagree with someone who shares my common values. Then again, in this world we live in, there's very little understanding of respect...

But that's another story.

I think you all just don't realise how good you have it. The only real threat to your survival in todays society comes from yourself. Just ponder for a moment if you'd been born 100 years ago. If you weren't lucky enough to be born into the top 5% or so, you'd either be in servitude to rich masters, watching your family drop dead from the plague, going blind working in a coal mine, or in some other situation where survival really is a day to day battle.
I found this list on the net:

WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE IN THE U.S. IN 1904â€"100 YEARS AGO

- The average life expectancy was 47 years.
- Only 14 percent of homes had a bathtub.
- Only 8 percent of homes had a telephone.
- A three-minute call from Denver to New York City cost eleven dollars.
- The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower.
- More than 95 percent of all births in the U.S. took place at home.
- There were 8,000 cars in the U.S. and only 144 miles of paved roads.
- The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph.
- Most women washed their hair once a month, using borax or egg yolks for shampoo.
- The top three causes of death were pneumonia/influenza, tuberculosis and diarrhea
- There were only about 250 reported murders in the entire U.S.
- Alabama, Mississippi, Iowa and Tennessee were each more heavily populated than California.
- Arizona, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Hawaii and Alaska hadn't been admitted to the Union yet.
- The population of Las Vegas was 30.
- Crossword puzzles, canned beer and iced tea hadn't been invented.
- There was no Mother's Day or Father's Day.
- Marijuana, heroin and morphine were all available over the counter at corner drugstores.
- Eighteen percent of households had at least one full-time servant or domestic.
- Prices: sugar 4 cents/lb, coffee 15 cents/lb, eggs 14 cents/doz.
- Average wage: 22 cents/hr.
- Average annual income: accountant $2000, dentist $2,500, mechanical engineer $5,000.
- One in 10 adults couldn't read or write, and only 6 percent had graduated from high school.
- Ninety percent of doctors had no college education. Instead, they attended medical schools, many of which were condemned in the press and by the government as "substandard."

Quote from: modgeulator on Tue 30/03/2004 14:25:27
- Marijuana, heroin and morphine were all available over the counter at corner drugstores.

Can I borrow your time machine, Eric?

Interesting thread. I'll add my two cents and 1/8th skunk..

I'm twenty years old, and i'm quite surprised at how people a mere five years younger than me are so different. There's a lot I never realised about younger people so I'm quite sure that parents, who are what, twenty to thirty years older than me - have no conception of what's going on in the modern world today, (or at least, very little).

Just the other day my dad came back from some part time work and said, "You know, today was the first time I've smelt canabis and known it was canabis." I can't believe he's never smelt that smell before and not known what it was. And he's 59.

I'm 20, and I've known what cannabis has smelt like since I was about 16 or 17. My friend Huw has known since about 14, and other people in the town who I've said previously are much younger, have known all about canabis since 11, maybe younger.

People a few years younger than me are what I call the internet generation. I was generation Y (I think), my ex - Beth, I'd then consider to be generation Z, and my friend Huw, I'd consider to be the start of a new generation, "A".

The internet has opened up so many ways and brought to life to many thruths about the world that younger kids have nothing to be scared of. They're now aware that there are thousands if not millions of other people with similar interests to them and they hardly have to go out and look for someone, cos they can just chat to people with similar interests over the net. They can almost freely view porn, violence etc. They can rip music, games and what not.

The other day I was talking to someone who said he wasn't fond of using email. He said that on the internet you can just be a "name". No-one knows what you look like, sound like - nor even your real personality. You can disappear with the click of your fingers and you can basically act how you want. I can shout at you all and tell you to f*ck off and you'd probably reply; "LOL!!1" but IRL you'd probably smack me.

That way, kids think they can get away with a lot.

Parents, yes, I agree have probably one of the biggest effects on how their children act, etc. I've recently come to the conclusion that during the 20 years of my life, my parents "have" shaped me to a degree, and I think this'll be the same with most people. I have some of my dad's tendancies, and some of my mums, no matter how hard I try and tell myself and others that I'm nothing like my parents, and that I've tried not to be like them.

Younger parents are much more flexible. I'm adopted, and I speak to my biological mum over MSN, she's younger, easy going, smoker blah de blah... She's a different generation.

A lot of younger parents IMO don't even seem to bother to much about their kids. They let them do what they want these days to far more a degree than I was ever aloud.

Someone mentioned music, and role models. It was a very good comment. All these bad-boy bands and such a like gives kids role models of becoming gangsters, ho's, etc. And what is up with music these days? So many songs featuring swearing these days - there's no constraint and I find that sad. The parental warning sticker means nothing, to anyone these days. They should put ratings on some music titles for sure. When I worked for Virgin it was obvious how younger kids would come in and buy Eminem albums and stuff which quite obviously are just going to blast their ears with swearing etc, telling them how to "Fuck the world!" and "Fuck you! I won't do it!", "I'm going to fuck you good and hard!" etc etc.

On the upside, younger people seem to be far more intelligent, and on the even further upside, I've noticed that a lot of people do change, or "grow up".

There's a number of induviduals that I know in this town that used to be complete twats. However, more recently, they've turned into pretty "safe" people and have grown up to a degree. One guy, Richard, who kindly used to beat me up at school when we were about 15, has recently started talking to me, being friendly etc and apologising. He was explaining how he doesn't like fighting anymore and just wants to get on with his life. This is the case with the other people that I said have "changed" to "safe" people.

I see the main problem in kids under the age of 18. They're the ones that don't see much ahead of them IMO. A lot of them don't seem to realise how important education is and what not because they have other things to look forward too, like parties at the weekend and joints etc.

Which brings me to drugs. I smoke pot, and I love it. I don't smoke often but anyday I'd choose it over drinking. And I really still can't understand why a recreational drinker would argue that drinking is better than recreational drug smoking.

Getting stoned is relaxing, you have some great conversations and great inspirations. Drinking makes you loud, aggressive, disorientated... Yes, pot does make you get paranoid, but only if you smoke it in excess! The same way if you DRINK in excess you get a fuck off fat belly and die of alcohol poisoning etc. FAR more people die from "drink" related incidents than people who smoke dope. Plus, I'd MUCH prefer to meet a "stoner" in the street than a "drunkard", a drunk would be unpredictable, where as someone who's stoned would be more likely to just chat with you, compliment you etc.

I really, really have a problem with anyone who says pot is bad when they haven't even tried it, probably for fear that "one joint" will get them addicted and they'll never be able to stop again. Which is bullshit. Drug smoking in this country is almost as big as drinking, the only difference is we don't have hash-houses. The police KNOW people smoke dope and so do teachers etc, but there's nothing they can do about it.

Huw explained how lots of kids in school are stoned when they go to lessons. Back when I was in school, no-one would be stoned. Perhaps one person might be drunk, but not stoned.

But this doesn't mean I approve of kids who are 14 etc smoking dope. They shouldn't. They shouldn't drink either.

On the other hand, those in generation A are having a great time, and there's nothing we can do to stop them. Creativity is winning the world over nowadays, kids are becoming very talented. Perhaps even more academic. They're getting laid, drunk, stoned.. They don't see a problem.

So the world is fucked. We can't just turn the internet off. Shops are now interograting computer systems to do everything - pen and paper is slowly being abolished. Fuck it all.

/me is angry now

::)

I was just in the mood for a disgrunted ramble last night.  I'm not really that bothered by the state of the world, and despite how I may have come across, I don't really think it's all that bad.  It's up to parents to teach their kids what's right and what's wrong, but you can't neglect the free agency of children.  Children aren't as mindless as some people seem to think they are, and if they really want to be good, they will be.

I think sometimes we expect parents to do too much, and then are too quick to blame them when their kids misbehave.  Of course, it's one thing to be in possession of cocaine, which is itself a pretty dumb thing to do, but then also be dumb enough to leave it around so your 4 year-old can get it and take it to school.  You can't expect kids to be good if the parents aren't good role models.

EDIT: I have no idea what canabis even is.  I've never heard of it.  Maybe that's a good thing.

EDIT 2: MrColossal, don't give too much credit to what I said (I just felt like rambling incoherently), but what I initially meant by "civilized world" was how close-knit communities act.  In smaller societies around the world, everyone is responsible for watching out for each other, because the community depends on total interaction.  An internal symbiotic relationship is essential to a smaller community's survival.  In our large industrialized societies, everything has become impersonal and people are capable of subsisting without relying on any "community" as I defined it.  This is just a common trend anthropologists have long recognized in the development of societies.  You could argue over whether this is good or bad, but community closeness is something that has been lost to us.  The loss of community closeness is what I was incoherently lamenting, and what I meant by "a truly civilized world."

Although it's not really worth trying to clarify my original point, since my original point was stupid, I think your misconstrued the logical conclusion.  It's not that rules and regulations have created societal degradation, but how people conduct themselves around others that may have done so.  People have just evolved a different notion of what is appropriate cultural behavior.  It's not necessarily wrong (in the cultural sense as a whole)...just different.  We "traditionalists," if you will, just have to learn to adapt to the changing world.

I dunno if it has something do do with 'What the f*** is wrong with kids these days?!?!' but Swedish police has during the last year begun to use Counter-terrorist weapons and hollow-pointed bullets (banned by the Hague-convention since 1899) against 'normal criminals'...

I agree with Mods about pot, It isn't as bad a drug as it is made out to be but don't get me wrong, it can be very addictive, and can take over if you aren't sensible with it.

A regular pot smoker (daily) doesn't really get effected by it that much, (tollerance is a bitch) If you use it rarely you get the full effects every time (but these effects are different for everyone)

It used to piss me off that a drug like alcohol could be legal & at the same time a less evil drug was illegal. (a debateable point) but these days I really couldn't give a shit.

I don't touch the stuff anymore, but I don't have a problem with anyone else using it.

I know a Pub in London that is like one of those cafe's in Amsterdam, My brother inlaw's brother runs it, I don't know how it works cause I'm sure it's hard to keep that sort of thing quiet, but I think it's a possitive step in getting closer to legalisation or decriminalisation, cause surely cops know about it seeing as I do half a world away.

As for Alcohol being cheaper than pot, it really depends on how much you drink compared to how much you would smoke.

A lot of people would spend over $100 a night at a pub or club, get drunk and have nothing much to show for it the next day, maybe a hangover

If you spend $100 on Pot you'd get much more value for your money, and hopefully you'd still have some the next day/week/month (depending on your habbit), no hangover (infact if you get drunk and have a hangover the most brilliant cure is to smoke some pot)


Most people that are against any drugs are people that have had nothing to do with them, they believe what they hear through the media. Sure a lot of people have had friends/kids/parents that have had bad experiences or seen what they can do, but you can't make any assumptions about anyone else, it's up to the individual to realise if it is a problem for them or not.

Teaching that drugs are bad at school doesn't work, Putting people in gaol doesn't work, There's only one solution. "Free letterbox samples for all"


It isn't healthy to smoke pot, you still may get cancer or other diseases.

There is a lot of so called "experts" that think pot makes you permanently lose your short term memory.... hang on I forget.......  oh yeah, it doesn't at all, sure when you smoke it you definately forget things (like where you're driving) but you also pay a lot more attention to other things (like the leaves on a tree)


Drug debates will go on for a lot longer yet, but pot is a lot safer for people that don't have addictive personalities.


There are also many levels of pot smoking just like there is drinking alcohol, eg. some people smoke one cone/bowl/bong (to a lesser extent J/spliff/reefer) and that's all they need or want out of it. I used to smoke half an ounce a week, 10 cones in a row was good for a couple of hours. That level is really addictive you get similar withdrawal effects as Herion (as described in medical journals) after half a day without using.


One thing that also pisses me off is so called "professionals" that say people can't change, cause it's just simply not true.

Note: I'm not saying drugs are good, It's individual choice, I choose not to these days, but it's not smart to make any argument without experiencing them first hand (and not just once, cause you have to know the actual cycle and how it effects you first, and that changes day by day [and you probably have to have been there if you understand what I mean])

Have a cone for me Mods

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Quote- The average life expectancy was 47 years.

But not because people drove drunk and killed innocent civillians on the street

Quote- The top three causes of death were pneumonia/influenza, tuberculosis and diarrhea

Correct. Today they are Alcohol, Suicide and Murder (not necessarily in that order. Also, the list may change according to country and state...)

Quote- There were only about 250 reported murders in the entire U.S.

And this is meant to make us feel how lucky we are in today's society?

Okay... I'll stop there. I can see this post is beginning to look like a 'pick my argument to pieces' thingo. Which I don't intend it to be. I fully agree that in some respects, life back then was harder. But people made more sense.

After much thinking, and a fair bit of research, I have changed my mind, and come to agree that being stoned is better than being drunk. But that doesn't make it OK to go and get stoned. Some of my best friends got stoned and loved it, so I'm not trying to judge anyone here, but drugs are stupid. People complain that crack is banned, while acohol is not - and I agree that it's weird, but there's a REASON why it's banned, and it's NOT because it promotes harmony and world peace.

On another note, kids don't CARE about their education, and it's because of TEACHERS (oh, the irony!!) as well as parents. Sure, they want you to do well, but I couldn't quote the number of times my high-school teachers used to say "Well....this isn't the end of the world. You don't NEED university (read - college) to make a living."

And then kids interpret this as an excuse to turn up stoned to class and smoke in the toilets and generally be stupid. HOW DUMB!!! HOW DUMB???? I remember some friends from high-school who altered their dailt timetable to include 'smoking in the downstairs toilets' time and 'smuggling vodka from building K to building B while teacher takes daily coffee break.'

This just proves general dumbness of kids today. I'm waiting for some random guest to stumble upon this thread and start spewing forth proof of how I'm wrong. I'm desperate for some reason to be happy again.

I agree that modgeulator's selection of factoids was a little weird, but he does have a point.

However, some research using Google (on that note: reliable worldwide statistics of this kind are annoyingly hard to find) tells me that the three most important causes of death today (in the so-called "Western world", that is) are heart diseases, cancer, and cerebrovascular diseases (mostly ending in strokes, I assume), followed by respiratory diseases, diabetes and accidents (not necessarily in this order). Many of these cases may be alcohol-related but there's no way it's anywhere near one of the top three causes. Not that I don't think alcoholism isn't a problem.

Also, it looks like you're getting crack (cocaine) and cannabis-based drugs (active substance: THC) mixed up. Don't. These are two rather different pairs of shoes.

Sully - avoid the "prestigious people in the past did it, so it MUST be good!" argument. Though I personally have never tried it, nor plan to, I have nothing at all against adults using cannabis recreationally (unless they overdo it, of course), but people in the past generally knew less than we do now. They had the zaniest ideas about these things.

Jeckyll seems to be a cool guy, but Hyde seebs to bea little bit hothead...

I can accept that marihuana makes less damage than cigarretes... I also think than jumping from a 10 storeys building makes more damage than jumping from a 2 storeys one, but I wouldn't jump of one of that neither...

In addittion, I should say that, whereas marihuana alone makes less damage than cigarettes, when combined (the usual way of smoking it) the effects of tobacco are multiplied by 20... (But probably the Doctor who said this, a professor in one of the most famous Unisversities in Spain, is a fuckface, of course...)

[sarcasm]So... Washington smoked pot? Ok... Cool! let's imitate the presidents of the US!!! I'll order to kill 17,000 civilians in Iraq while Monica Lewinsky makes me a blowjob[/sarcasm]

*The previous sarcams means: Are allways the presidents of the U.S. a model to imitate? NO*

Yes: Pot is legal in Armsterdam, making one of the most beatifull cities in Europe a cave with entire neighbours full of yonkies and whores... And no... It's no legal in the rest of Europe.

to farlander:

1 Pot is not legal in Amsterdam...they tolerate it which is different..
2 They have the same policy in other countries in europe ( Belgium,   switserland) maybe a bit more strict than holland but still...
3 It's obvious you've never been in amsterdam...calling it a cave full of whores and yonkies...

Yes, I've been in Amsterdam, and some of the streets were depressing and disgusting, also, for me it's quite depressing that most of the youth in Europe goes there, not for knowing the lovely Holland or Armsterdam, just for the Coffee-Shops... Notice that I've located the whores and the yonkies in some neighbourhood, and thay I told that it's one of the most beautiful cities in Europe.

EDIT: I am not expert in dutch laws, excuse me, but if I can go to a place and freely buy marihana and smoke it, I think it was not such a crazy idea of mine to think that it's legal...

EDIT EDIT: ( ;D) I think that I must make clear something, because my previous post can be missunderstood, and a missunderstunding when talking of people of places can be awfull...

Amsterdam has an almost unique offer that no other city in Europe can compete with... It has coffee shops. Is all the youth who goes there a bunck of drug-addicts? No, but undoubtelly, a high breakdown of people who goes wants to life a pot experience... This does not necessarily implies that the young people who goes there must have a savage party including sex-o-rama and whores, but there is a high probability. Amsterdam is like the nowadays Hamburg of the 60ies... It is a guarantee of night life, lived by foreigns...

That means that Armsterdam's nights are not the healthiests in Earth... Can we blame it to the Amsterdam people? No, most of the people having savage parties in Amsterdam's nights are Spanish, brits, French... We can't even blame on them, they're just young people having a good time, it can probably be the most savage expierences they'll have in their whole year, let's them allow to enjoy it... But we can't deny that this is bringing negative aspects to the city.

I know what means if a city focuses in some way its turistical activity in "young foreign people having party"... I live in Benidorm, a 60,000 people town which reaches 500,000 people during the Summer season. There are entire streets focused to provide alcohol and dance to the Brits... Do I blame the Brits? No... I understand they want to have fun, I will even bring all the miteneers there if I arrange Mittens '2005, that places are really funny... But sometimes there are killing or fights between "hooligans" and police... I like the place, but I don't like that things going on all nights.

I can say that some streets in my town are turning into a cave full of yonkies and whores, and I don't feel like I am insulting my town, or its people.

If the previous post has disturbed you, excuse me, but I keep my oppinion that Amsterdam has focused in some specific kind of tourism that is very unhealthy and destructive... Like Benidorm.

no offence intended...just correcting some words you brought as facts...I find it sad aswell that ppl tend to visit holland just for the hashbars...ofcourse its totaly understandable that people do visit a hashbar once in holland ( and they should...since it's kinda becoming dutch culture) just as sightseeing windmills, tulips and such...

EDIT:

Quote
We can't even blame on them, they're just young people having a good time, it can probably be the most savage expierence they'll have in their whole year, let's them enjoy it

Totaly agree on that one......And I couldn't disapprove on it cause I tend to do the same thing when I'm in a foreign city...though I like to visit the countryside aswell...
And yeah in some way it is destructive but isn't that the case with most good things in life..apart from having sex ;)

I've posted the edit while you were posting your... read it, I think you'll find the resemblances between your town and mine interesant.

And thank you for the "no offence attitude" the same I have...  Sorry for the missunderstanding :)

EDIT: On the other hand and going on with Sully's, I must say that I agree with him about the legalization stuff, because, even having taken the decission of not smoking it, I think that:

1) It would remove the feeling of "exclusivity" that Amsterdam has about the hash shops. If people in Spain could go to a "hash shop" to buy it's grass, they would go to Holland to know the culture better than the sexoramas...  :)

-And more important-

2) It will be a healthier stuff (I am not racist, but, well, hehe... You know that the hashish is compacted by the saliva of Moroccan guys splitting and beating it? And let's not forget that it's been transported in the annus of illegal inmigrant)

(Talking of the hashish resine, called "Chocolate" in Spain, not the the grass itself)

3) It would be cheaper... I think that 12 euros for a two inches pill of cannabis resine it's excessive...  :P If legal, people wouldn't  have to pay a price inflated by all the intermediaries who deal with it...

4) Mafia's won't earn money with it. It's a fact that Al-Quaeda used the cannabis dealing net in Spain to commit the terrorist attacks in Madrid (Even the dynamite dealed was paid with Hashish...) I would be inmenselly happy if this mob net dissaprears...

And now... gotta go to preppair a joint...

Amsterdam by day: Pretty
Amsterdam by night: Shithole

Quote from: m0ds on Wed 31/03/2004 15:07:06
Amsterdam by day: Pretty
Amsterdam by night: Shithole

Shit... I've spent a huge thread to say what Mark has in two lines...   >:( ;D

Amsterdam is really not that good an example as it used to be one of the biggest, if not THE biggest, port in Europe. All big shipping cities have(had) the same "problems" because of the constant flow of sailors coming in after months at sea, ready to party their brains out. (Most propably Amsterdam has become better) Theese cities have a tendency to be more liberal than other cities. But it's still like saying that an industrial city is dirtyer than other cities. Of course it is.
My advice would be that if you don't want to see weed and hookers, don't go to Amsterdam. If you don't want to get shot or get your ass probed by the latest in anti-terrorist equipment, don't go to the US. If you don't want to see... etc... Examples are too many to mention. My point to all this is that if you're not happy with things where you live you can either move or do something about it. It's a big world, and somewhere there is bound to be a place where you'll be happy.
Sorry if I seem harsh, but I find theese kinds of discussions to be utterly hopeless. There is absolutely NO other excuse for your unhappiness than your attitude.

QuoteMy point to all this is that if you're not happy with things where you live you can either move or do something about it.

One of the most un-realistic comments I've ever heard! You can't just move, and you can't just change a city. Here in the UK, as prices for houses get higher and higher etc - the wages people earn don't move. Minimum wage is still around £4.50 for over 18's and has been for many, many years.

As a twenty year old, moving out is one of the least likely possibilities in my life. There are very few jobs that pay decent money, and esepcially so when you don't have any qualifications. I can't even afford to go to the city thats ten miles from here. Everything I earn practically goes to my parents, leaving me with about £10 a week to spend on... Well, nothing, cos I need it to pay them next week.

And as for the "doing something about" where you live, well, thats just ridiculous. It takes hundreds if not thousands of people to "agree" on a change and to testify and riot about it before anything is done about it.

Quote from: YOke on Wed 31/03/2004 16:23:57
My point to all this is that if you're not happy with things where you live you can either move or do something about it. It's a big world, and somewhere there is bound to be a place where you'll be happy.

Yoke, I've read carefully your post and I must say that I founf interesant the "portuarial city" stuff, it is logic and makes sense, but that doens't necessarily mean that I was wrong when I posted about Amsterdam's nights... In fact, I think that both explanations match:

1)Amsterdam is a very liberal city because it's a portuary town.
2)With the base of the previous statement, Amsterdam focuses a high breakdown of its incoming turism in been a city with a very "animated night life"
3)Coffee shops help to continue the situation.

But the second part is a little bit... extrange to me...

Do you mean that I must move from town to town untill finally finding a perfect one? Argh... I don't think that such city exists... All places have their own problems, including mine, but that doen't mean that my town sucks or something...

I don't think I've been that harsh about my own town to be replied with a "Don't you like it? Move to another place!" I think that the second part of your thead is a little bit too excessive.

Yes, you CAN just move, and yes you just CAN change a city! And YES it does take a lot of people working TOGETHER! Getting there collective heads out of their collective asses and realizing that the responsibility is NOT with the government. The government is just a manifestation of the people. One must never forget that your country are the people living in it and not a company run by the government that lets you live on their land. The people in the country decide the rules and people have to realize that when something is wrong in the country it's everybodys fault. Don't go running around blaming different groups of people. They are also just a manifestation of the attitude in the country. Too many people are bogged down by apathy and need a kick in their a**.

Theese are my views. I'm not forcing them upon anybody, but I'm sticking by them. I'm learning new things every day, and my veiws change. Thank God for that. Also I propably should mention, since people don't know me that well around here, that none of this is personal. Hell, I don't know any of you more that you know me. And I'm not angry, just passionate. (Well, maybe a bit angry too ;) ) Yes, I am naive. It's by choice. And my views are unrealistic because they don't mach very well with todays reality. A reality I think it's time to change.

Quote from: YOke on Wed 31/03/2004 17:03:02
Yes, you CAN just move, and yes you just CAN change a city! And YES it does take a lot of people working TOGETHER! Getting there collective heads out of their collective asses and realizing that the responsibility is NOT with the government. The government is just a manifestation of the people. One must never forget that your country are the people living in it and not a company run by the government that lets you live on their land. The people in the country decide the rules and people have to realize that when something is wrong in the country it's everybodys fault. Don't go running around blaming different groups of people. They are also just a manifestation of the attitude in the country. Too many people are bogged down by apathy and need a kick in their a**.

Theese are my views. I'm not forcing them upon anybody, but I'm sticking by them. I'm learning new things every day, and my veiws change. Thank God for that. Also I propably should mention, since people don't know me that well around here, that none of this is personal. Hell, I don't know any of you more that you know me. And I'm not angry, just passionate. (Well, maybe a bit angry too ;) ) Yes, I am naive. It's by choice. And my views are unrealistic because they don't mach very well with todays reality. A reality I think it's time to change.

the problem is... that I don't want to move!  ;D

I don't know when I gave the impression that I want to move of my town, mate...

hehe... I'm not here to force you either. ;)

Just to clarify (I have calmed down a bit now, and may be able to make sense ;) ) :

First of all the use of YOU in my text is not pointed at anyone in particular. I'm just shouting into the air, so to speak.
When I said that you could "either move or do something about it" I feel that it's the truth. I'm not saying people should move. Personally I would prefer if they stayed where they are and cleaned up their own town. Places are like people. They all have their own personality. Some people live in places that are wrong for them. It's nothing especially wrong with the city, and nothing especially wrong with the person, it's just that the two don't go well together. If this is the case, they should move.

The essence of what I tried to say is something along the lines of the old saying "Talk is cheap".
I am getting tired of people talking about what is wrong all the time, when it doesn't take much more effort actually doing something about it. It can even be fun. Matt Stone and Trey Parker did it by creating South Park. It is not just a cartoon. It deals with important issues in a fun and easy understandable way. People here could make adventuregames that contains a message to people (the best ones do).
Personally I try to live by the rule "Do onto others as you wish others do onto you." One of the few good things, IMO, given to us by christianity. Sadly also one of the most overlooked.

So... everybody! Be like Ghandi! :)

If I by my previous rantings have hurt anybodys feelings I am sorry. If I made you feel passionate one way or the other; good!

Quote from: Dr. Jekyll?~MR. HYDE! on Wed 31/03/2004 10:32:43
uh oh... I'm sorry... here comes "Hyde"...

Listen... First of all... POT DOESN'T KILL BRAIN CELLS, FUCKFACES!  That's just a bullshit story "THEY" told you in grade school to keep you from smoking the shit!

who told you that? a different "THEY"?

QuoteDid you know, back when George Washington was president, he smoked dope!  He'd come home and smoke a whole salad bowl full of it!  The United States of America's first president was a fucking doper!  You know what... there's even a part of the BIBLE that talks about smoking dope... (I don't read the bible, so you will have to find it yourself... something to the effect of "I have given you these herbs..."')

who told you that? a different "THEY"?

QuoteYou know what the FBI does?  They bust you for growing it... then they sell it and smoke it themselves!  It's a cash crop for the feds.  How else do they get all of their funding?  (not from GWB!)

give me a freakin' break... and also: who told you that? a different "THEY"?

QuoteAs for MTV... FUCK MTV! I turn on MTV wanting to see some Damage Plan, or some Slipknot... all I see is two fucking hours of Lil' John and the East Side Boys... Get low on this, motherfucker!  (that's all rap is... drinkin' forties, bangin' hoes, eatin' fried chicken, and bustin' caps...)  Take all that Bling-bling you have, and buy some fuckin' original ideas, dammit.

right... first off, i hate to say this but shut up. second, that's all rap is? Sure, shut up. Third, Slipknot is reallllllly original "Let's wear masks!! Weeeee! We'll look so cute and scary!" You are a real fool but mostly for the eating fried chicken comment and you come off as being pretty racist. Maybe you should realize that only .1% of all music in the world gets shown on MTV and that is NOT what "all rap is" do you know that some rap artists don't even smoke pot? I know it's crazy because it's a scientific fact that all rappers smoke pot and shoot people but it's true! Or is it just what "THEY" told me and it's all a lie by the FBI to cover up their large drug operation that busts black men in the street for owning drugs and then sells it back to them just to bust them again?

get off your high horse, you'll hurt yourself

One thing I have noticed is the increase in adverts about suicide on local radio aimed at young people. Never really heard them before. Lots of "shocking" adverts on TV nowadays too.

Mad.

Quote from: Farlander on Wed 31/03/2004 13:15:09
I can accept that marihuana makes less damage than cigarretes... I also think than jumping from a 10 storeys building makes more damage than jumping from a 2 storeys one, but I wouldn't jump of one of that neither...

Well said.

And, Collossal, as much as I hate to say this, Hyde is actually right (to some degree). Marijuana doesn't (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_faq1.shtml#3-3) kill brain cells

Although some of this other stuff he's putting forward is both un-necessarily hot-headed, as well as quite wrong.

Washington did NOT smoke pot:

"George Washington grew marijuana on his plantation. In his time, pot was a legal crop. It was not used for smoking, but instead the stalks of the plant were used to make ropes, canvas and paper"

Ignore sites that tell you he did. They're WRONG. I'm not saying he ABSOLUTELY didn't try it, but it's certainly not documented legally. Trust me - Five years of History and Society do not go wasted...

Also, incidentally, he was not the FIRST president. John Hanson served for one year before him...

The music slander you made was kind of funny actually. This was how I read the sentence:

"Gimme a break, man! I turn on MTV and want to listen to talentless bands who've made it big, and all I hear are talentless bands who've made it big!" Sorry..... that was just too much to handle. Slipknot?!
Okay - I recognise that here I'm insulting you're choice of music, which I apologise for, but it's not like they have anything MEANINGFUL to say...
It's like ICP who wrote all those songs about how commercialism was going to destroy society, and then, HEY HO! THEY GOT THOUSANDS OF COMMERCIAL ENDORSEMENTS! Now THAT makes sense...

Edit: whoops. Double post.... I thought I'd hit the edit button..... obviously I hadn't.....

Also, to Yoke... I disagree. I think it would be GREAT if I could just up and leave.

Financially, I can't.
Practically, I can't.
Emotionally, I can't.
Realistically, I can't.

It would be even BETTER if I could just wave a magic wand and make my community better. Unfortunately, I think every stoner in the street would be at my door with a flame-thrower if I tried that.

So as ideal as your vision is, it's not realistic. People who live in government housing, for example, can't just up-and-go, and they certainly don't have the means to change anything. (Writing a letter to the council does NOT constitute a change). They're stuck where they are, and there's very little they can do to change it. I wouldn't be criticizing their attitude about it, either.

And I live at home with my parents. I have enough money that I could get a place if I needed to, however that would stuff up just about every other plan I have, including paying off all my uni fees, which is a more direct threat. And, as a student, I don't have any say or sway in the community, so no one gives a rat's arse what I preach and practice.

Could you perhaps tell me how you've changed your community? It might give me inspiration.....

Mr. Colossal... I know who are the "THEY" Sully believes... Here in Spain there is also a wave of people claiming that pot is, not only not bad, but also healthy.

I think it was Peter Tosh (?) with his song "legalize it", started spreading the urban legend that "Hash is good".

Now the keepers of the urban legend are the bunch of magazines and fancines about grass.

Everything can have good consequences... The chemics used for cure cancer save lifes... but the nurses who deal with it have to wear gloves and treat the substance in the same way that radioactive obcjects are treated... The conslussion: Something that is a PURE poison can have some good consequences.

Sometimes when a big vein or arteria is chopped, it's wise to cut the leg to reach easily to the bloodvessel (sp?) and sewer the wound... But if your veins are ok, it is not very recommended to go chopping your legs.

So... yes... sometimes marihuana can be good and some doctors can find good aspects of it... Does this mean that Marihuana is healthy???

This pro-marihuana fancines like to publish every partial information about hash they can find, and post it with big headlines, HASH IS GOOD!

And yes... some people believe them... the people who WANT to believe it.

PT: One of the things I am most proud of is that I was one of the founding members of a local filmclub. (We have weekly shows where we show high quality movies.) I live in a rural area where the usual hobby among people are hanging outside the fastfood restaurant, drinking or driving their cars around. (Often a combination of two or more of the forementioned activities) We have been going for 2,5 years now and we get more and more members. We get support from the local industry and a little bit from the state to keep it going.

QuoteOne thing I have noticed is the increase in adverts about suicide on local radio aimed at young people. Never really heard them before. Lots of "shocking" adverts on TV nowadays too.

When I was in high school, Australia had the highest rate of suicide in the world -- mostly due to teen suicide.

From what I've heard, that hasn't changed much.

As for the whole "drugs" issue, I have a few points to make:

1) Not all drugs are bad. I've spent a lot of time around people who've done some serious drugs. I used to be a casual pot smoker, but that's nothing compared to some of the shit I've seen -- I'm talking people sticking stuff up their noses, popping pills, shit like that. But they're pretty civil people who hold down high-ranking jobs, like lawyers and doctors. SO, it's hard for me to fault speed and ecstacy. Having said that, I've seen people fucked by serious shit, like heroin. Seen the movie Trainspotting? Read the book? Yup, that's what it's like. So I have diverse views on drugs. Pot, to me, is harmless. Speed, eccies -- flirting with danger, but I've seen everyday people do this kind of stuff -- not my cup of tea, but that's a personal decision. Herion -- might as well flush your young life down the toilet bowl. I must say though, the media hype drugs up big-time (Face it, how many positive drugs stories do you hear in the news? Probably "Marijuana has medicinal uses" and that's about it). But a lot of people have done a lot of awesome things while high: The Beatles (Sgt Peppers, Abbey Road), Jack Nicholson (Five Easy Pieces, Easy Rider, Last Detail, Cuckoo's Nest), Francis Ford Coppola Apocalypse Now, anyone?).

2) Blaming rap videos for drug, prostitution and violence problems in society is like using violent movies, computer games, and Marilyn Manson as a scapegoat to blame for the Columbine shooting. In other words, utter bullshit. Drug, prostitution and violence problems were happening long before rap was invented. Ever heard of the 70s? The 50s? Even the 30s! My opinion is this: the real blame is a self-esteem issue. Most kids start selling drugs and pimping because they need some easy money quickly. Why? To buy cool shit, like the cool shit their friends have (that they incidently bought by also pimping and selling drugs). Same with prositution. Earn big money in high school. MTV rap videos don't cause this. They reflect this. I think it's a self-esteem issue. If there was high self-esteem, we wouldn't have such problems. Sadly, not all kids can have high self-esteem -- to believe so would be folly. Or else Australia wouldn't have such a high suicide rate. Are parents to blame? I'm divided about that because I think it's a number of things: home life, school, peer pressure, impressing the opposite sex...

3) I believe that the world will only get better if parents stop trying to shelter their children and just properly educate them about drugs, sex, etc, etc. If I had children, I'd want them making informed decisions about drugs. It's better than them being sheltered until they're 14 or 15 and having to succumb to peer pressure without any knowledge of what they're getting into. I wouldn't want my kids hiding a serious drug problem from me. I'd want to know, so I can help. When I was a kid, my Dad told my sister and I about pot -- He told us what it did, both good and bad (which was a little contrary to all the Reagan-era anti-drug cartoons we'd been watching that said "drugs are bad"). Dad then said he hoped he could be around when Aimee and I first tried pot so he could share and help with the experience. He was awesome back there. I don't think Aimee and I ever did share that joint with him -- Probably cause we thought he just wanted some of our spliff. I did get really hammered with him once while in my teens, but that's another story. My mother and her boyfriend/fiancee are similar -- they have a joint probably once every two weeks. And both are very pleasant and logical people. And they're quite motivated -- you should see them working away on a weekend. And in high school, we had a subject called personal development. The head of that subject told us that one day we'd probably try pot, that it was an experience, and that an experience is okay as long as it's in moderation. I consider all this a healthy education in drugs. I have been taught by people with experience, not some anti-drug campaigner who has never smoked a joint in his or her life. I just think kids need parents who are open and responsibile. Those are the kinds of qualities I want my kids to inherit. I don't want to be some authoritarian cause that'll distance my kids away from me. At the same time, I don't want to be someone who alets my kids do whatever they want. I want to find balance. I want to educate. I want to be a responsible parent and teach my kids to be responsible in their decisions and actions.

That's a fscinating website, Peter. thanks fo the link...

Davy

As DG said, some people made great things while high, world would be less pretty without Sgt. Pepper's, Abbey, Cuckoo's nest and Easy Rider.

But this people finally relaxed their "experiments" with drugs... Paul never was too happy about LSD, and George abandoned it in 68... I can't be sure of Ringo, but well... Ringo never was that good.

John Lennon had severall problems with it, I don't know if he finally abandoned the cocaine, but I think it was a serious abstacle for his work in the 70ies.

Same for Jimmy Kahn and Dennis Hopper, for example...

So... drugs can't be "totally evil", they must have something good... But it's been proven that they can be a problem if overused. That's why drugs has caused such problems in Hollywood, the famous and rich people just don't care of paying money for drugs, like we "average people" do.

A "cigarette of the laugh" once in a time is not bad... But you must be mature and smart to see the danger and relax if the things become dangerous.

I agree with Daniel, if my attitude in front of drugs has been so firm in this thread is because I've also seen a lot of shit by overusing it.

And of course... the first step on the ladder of having serious problems with drugs starts, IMO, with pot.

But there's no actual proof that pot users become heroin users:

http://www.mhcs.health.nsw.gov.au/health-public-affairs/mhcs/publications/4410.html

"There are also things about drug use which parents misunderstand - and these misunderstandings increase their fears. Many people believe smoking cannabis leads to heroin use - but cannabis use is no more likely to lead to heroin than alcohol or tobacco use. "

The first step to having a serious drug problem is trying serious drugs.

Wanna keep kids off drugs?  Make em watch Requiem for a Dream.

http://www.requiemforadream.com

(But I think the problem with drugs is more of the addiction than drugs.  You can get just as addicted to Dr. perscribed pills than street drugs, if not more so cause you have the excuse that "well the Dr. said it was ok)

EDIT:  You can also get addicted to overeating, shopping, TV, ppl... Drugs, when abused are more of a symptom of a problem than the accutal problem.  In my experiance anyway.

eh... Kids these days LMFAO - If they only knew me! lol




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I think there's nothing inherently wrong with marijuana. (At least not much. It's certainly much cleaner than alchohol or tobacco.)
The problem is, there's something really appealing about it for dumbasses. Stupid kids who want to go out and party and get fucked up. These are the ones who fuel the "gateway drug" theory. But it's not the drug's fault-- its their behavior, which drives them towards all sorts of drugs. Marijuana just happens to be the most common "light" drug, so they end up discovering it first.
Even though I don't do it myself, I think it's perfectly okay for someone to use marijuana if their intentions are simple, personal, and not self-destructive.
Pot doesn't make you stupid... the vocal part of its fanbase was stupid to begin with.

It eases my glaucoma, and the herion.........  :-X   I better go lie down  :-X

Quote from: Timosity on Wed 31/03/2004 09:45:23

Note: I'm not saying drugs are good, It's individual choice, I choose not to these days, but it's not smart to make any argument without experiencing them first hand (and not just once, cause you have to know the actual cycle and how it effects you first, and that changes day by day [and you probably have to have been there if you understand what I mean])

one more thing, I think either you need to clarify that or you need to tell me why because I've never gotten high or drunk or tripped balls on acid that I can't make an arguement?

do I have to go to jail for a year before I can make any kid of opinion on prison?

Murder is bad. I just killed 20 hookers and I feel somewhat guilty about it now that the initial adrenaline rush is over.

Quote from: MrColossal on Sat 03/04/2004 09:14:41

Quote from: Timosity on Wed 31/03/2004 09:45:23

Note: I'm not saying drugs are good, It's individual choice, I choose not to these days, but it's not smart to make any argument without experiencing them first hand (and not just once, cause you have to know the actual cycle and how it effects you first, and that changes day by day [and you probably have to have been there if you understand what I mean])

one more thing, I think either you need to clarify that or you need to tell me why because I've never gotten high or drunk or tripped balls on acid that I can't make an arguement?

do I have to go to jail for a year before I can make any kid of opinion on prison?

OK, sure you can make an argument or have an opinion about it, what I meant is that it's really hard to comment about something you have no experience with and expect people that have a certain problem to listen or believe you.



A lot of people that back things like zero tolerance, are really ignorant to the reality that surrounds them. They think it seems like a reasonable solution, until one of their own kids ends up with a drug problem.

Illegal drugs are large corporate businesses these days, to ignore the problems and put users in prison is the most rediculous thing.

It's interesting that we're targeting terrorist groups at the moment, although some might be associated with drugs, the big drug businesses cause many more deaths than terrorists, and are much larger organisations. The war on drugs will be much harder.

I guess that's also a reason they don't want to give up and legalise, that would be admitting defeat, and governments have too bigger egos (even though it would fuck these drug co.s at their own game [but then they'd probably be employed legitatmately to produce them.])

where's our feedom of choice gone. Sure some people will abuse it, but they do now anyway.



It is also Impressive Eric, that you have refrained from drugs, especially such a good artist (I know that's a bit stereotypical) I guess the cat was never killed.

Drugs are bad.

We should ban them ALL and prosecute ANYONE who even goes within FIFTY FEET of them!


That will solve all the world's problems, and then we can focus on more important matters, such as lunch.

Quote(At least not much. It's certainly much cleaner than alchohol or tobacco.)

I entirely disagree - I do not know about tobacco, but most of the alchohol is most certainly cleaner - if you buy quality one, that is.

Ok, I read the first three pages of this thread and then gave up. WOW you guys can be depressing. Lighten up a little; let's face it, we live in such an amazing place- health care in the developed world is truly remarkable, we have clean, hot or cold water 24/7, instant heat and light whenever we want... in fact, the only real problem is that every now and then a few drunken kids might randomly yell at you- so what? Name me ONE other time and place in history that has had it better. Degredation of women in the media? Apart from a few exotic civilisations, women have NEVER had the respect they normally deserve from the majority of men. And besides, acting like a prick is far more likely to get you a slap nowadays than it ever was. Drinking problems? Shall I mention the Gin Palaces of old London? Or perhaps the ancient Romans, with their excesses of wine and pleasures of the flesh. Native americans smoked pot (or was it opium? I can't quite remember). I guess what I'm trying to say is, nothing's really changed, except for life's a WHOLE LOT BETTER than it's ever been, so quit complaining.

achohol and tobacco certainly kill more people, destory more lives and cause more hardships then pot.

course, I hate them all, so I prob shouldnt be talking here. Im quite baised

Quote from: Archangel (aka SoupDragon) on Sat 03/04/2004 16:07:51
I guess what I'm trying to say is, nothing's really changed, except for life's a WHOLE LOT BETTER than it's ever been, so quit complaining.

Is it possible that in fact that is part of the problem? In recent decades, most of the world has seen the longest period of peace and prosperity it has ever known. In this environment, people are bound to become complacent.

Think about it though - back when there was a war on, there was no time to worry about people smoking pot because there were far more important issues such as getting your rations and not getting bombed to worry about.

Nowadays though, in some ways life has become too easy. Many people have so few real issues to worry about that they start picking on things like drugs, sex and speeding as Important Problems That Must Be Dealt With.

Archangel is right though, people really should appreciate what they do have because it could be over at any time.

...but I think that the discussion about "how is the world going" has not much to see with the circunstance that the next generations seems to behave strange for us.

Quote from: Archangel (aka SoupDragon) on Sat 03/04/2004 16:07:51
I guess what I'm trying to say is, nothing's really changed, except for life's a WHOLE LOT BETTER than it's ever been, so quit complaining.

I don't think that's fair tho, I could counter every arguement ever by saying that "Quit complaining you have it better than your grandfather did." Just because some problems from the past have been fixed doesn't mean there are more problems to be worried about.

tim: "It is also Impressive Eric, that you have refrained from drugs, especially such a good artist (I know that's a bit stereotypical) I guess the cat was never killed."

Hehe, thank you I suppose. I can barely draw when I have a cold so I don't think getting stoned off my ass would help anything. I prefer a natural weird artist than a medicated weird artist anyways

Quote from: MrColossal on Sat 03/04/2004 23:35:51
I prefer a natural weird artist than a medicated weird artist anyways

Let me start off by saying that I too am impressed that you never tried drugs.  That said, drugs themselves don't make anyone a "better" artist, they just alter your perspective on reality so that you think of things you wouldn't normally think of, albiet good or bad.  I think this also is where the paranoia factor comes in.  You can be completely paranoid because you think your pet is stealing your thoughts, a completly irrational idea to the unmedicated persuaision, but completly likely to those whose mind has been altered.  This is why "getting high" was refered to as "expanding your mind" in the 60's.  But I think that is the essence of what drugs really are.  That's also why I think, partly, that so many people have problems with them.  They don't like their own reality, so they try to live in a reality that is completely drug induced and only exists in their mind.

I no longer do drugs, mainly because I like ACTUAL reality, but for what it's worth, I am glad I have my experiance because it showed me that life is a choice.  You can either choose to let things control you, or you can control yourself and your decisions, and how you feel is a choice that you make.  No drug in the world can permanatly make you feel better about yourself, make you smarter, sing better, or make you a better person, even though at the time you think so.

I tend to think that often a mind that is condusive to creativity lacks the facilities to deal with the world like everyone else, and drug use is a result of this incapability.

Quote from: Las Naranjas on Mon 05/04/2004 22:16:32
I tend to think that often a mind that is condusive to creativity lacks the facilities to deal with the world like everyone else, and drug use is a result of this incapability.

How so?

Edit:  I ask because, well, there are alot of very sucessful creative people about, that "deal with the world like everyone else".  Please explain what you mean, and why you think that.  Do you know alot of creative people who have a hard time "dealing with the world like everyone else.

Quote from: Las Naranjas on Mon 05/04/2004 22:16:32
I tend to think that often a mind that is condusive to creativity lacks the facilities to deal with the world like everyone else, and drug use is a result of this incapability.

I think I'm insulted... although I can't be sure. What a strange comment.

I said often, not always [people likes to extrapolate comments made here], and it's really just a reiteration of classical perceptions about artists.
The intense eccentricity we associate with the likes of Van Gogh, or Salvador Dali, or Jackson Pollock, and also the depression that many of these people face. They are some of the most creative people, but they cannot function well as a result, or cope.


Genius, as such, is a curse as well as a blessing. It may even be akin to autism. To see the world in a unique was may also deprive you of seeing it in a way that helps you function normally.

Alcoholism is another strong addiction amongst the creative of the past few centuries, but it can't in any way be associated with being more creative. Like all drugs it's affecting your mind in such a way to avoid life since the gifts that make them as creative take away their ability to be apathetic to the world like everyone else.

If anything, creative people would probably make better material without drugs, unless it's their subject matter, ala Hunter S Thompson.

And archy, you have my respect mate, but I do think you're an absolute creative genius in the mold I'm describing.

Well your original statement said something along the lines of "conducive to creativity", not "half mad creative genius". My bad for misinterpreting it.

Hey, interesting topic :)

Quote from: Farlander on Sat 03/04/2004 18:40:38
...but I think that the discussion about "how is the world going" has not much to see with the circunstance that the next generations seems to behave strange for us.

I think that's the same thing our parents would say about us :) Though, this "generation diference" is even more evidential now, that the world is evolving so fast. I think kids today are still having the same problems as we had, they are doing the same stupid things as we did... they are experimenting with things that are available to them.
I do think the likes of MTV are doing more damage than good though...

Oh, and about this "artists" issue- i don't know what is your definition of "artist", but you can be sure, if you have a tight dead line, there's no possible way it will even occur to you to get high or drunk... except if you want to loose your client and pay penalties for drawing a pink elephant with pierced tits instead of girl washing her hair :)

Quote from: Igor on Wed 07/04/2004 13:33:12
Hey, interesting topic :)

Quote from: Farlander on Sat 03/04/2004 18:40:38
...but I think that the discussion about "how is the world going" has not much to see with the circunstance that the next generations seems to behave strange for us.

I think that's the same thing our parents would say about us :) Though, this "generation diference" is even more evidential now, that the world is evolving so fast. I think kids today are still having the same problems as we had, they are doing the same stupid things as we did... they are experimenting with things that are available to them.
I do think the likes of MTV are doing more damage than good though...

Even agreeing, notice that here we still have room for discussion!

The "generation diference" has never been so great is such a little time before... What I'm saying is that I went to my old High School last week and it turned into something completely different I remember... When I was going to the High School, the percentage of "freaks" "weirds guys" or whatever you want to call them, was something like 10% compared with the average "posh" teenager. Now, the "freaks" are 90% in front of the normal "posh".

There were no normal guys! Before, allways was a "gothic" a "heavy" a "Punk" or a "hippy" in every institute... Now there are bands of them. I asked my girlfriend is it was like this when she went to the high school (She finished it two years ago) and she told me that the change seems to have occurred in a little gap of time, maybe in three or four.

I don't know if it's happening something like in the sixties, where the "rockers" started a revolution which finished with a bunch of different urban tribes (Mods, hippies, rastas...), if so, I hope this finishes better that in the previous occassion (Where all the hopes of peace and love of the summer of '68 ended in the nowadays ruling class, so corrupted and decadent as the previous...)

But I don't have such a good feeling as it apparently was in the 60ies...

I have to say I agree that MTV and rap is ruining our society. When I was still 12 years old I used to listen to rap, dress like a wanna-be-rapstar and just generally do what everyone else is doing...

Then I realised "WTF?d00d? This is not where you want to be." So I burnt all my CD's and went on to watching Monty Python and listening to 80's rock music. I feel alot happier now that I am a NON-CONFORMIST. Sure I still have my limits (like in fashion, and I'll never ever listen to Celine Dion or Roxette), but I mean hey, Guys! Find out what YOU like best and go for it! Don't conform! (well do conform, but only to a certain extent).

And my life has been going 10xas well since I became a serious christian.

(also, don't go overboard, and don't screw with drugs, they'll only end up screwing you)

Good for you, Zor.

Christians rock. (no - that's not sarcasm)