I coined a phrase! I coined a phrase! Yay!
Yak and I were having a conversation on #ags earlier tonight and we got to talking about the Rat Pack (50's), the Brat Pack (80's), and current day actors that seemed to form their own version of the Brat Pack. By definition, these are actors that are in "teen movies" very often and star with each other randomly, in groups, like the Brat Pack did.
I called it the "Frat Pack". Who would you include?
In the Brat Pack, I came up with Emilio Estevez, Molly Ringwald, Judd Nelson, Andrew McCarthy (?), Rob Lowe, and Ally Sheedy.
In the Frat Pack, so far I have Julia Stiles, Ashton Kutcher, Sean William Scott, Jason Biggs, Chris Klein (?), Mena Suvari, Freddie Prinze Jr., and Rachael Leigh Cook.
Anyone care to add/delete/comment?
Eliza Dushku? Katie Holmes has done a few. And, of course, there's the duo of Matt Damon & Ben Affleck.
[edit: Withdraw Damon & Affleck, not quite the same genre]
The difference between the Rat Pack and the Frat Pack is that the Frat Pack sucks.
Er, I beg to differ. Let's take a look at the Frat Pack movies.
It all start with "Can't Hardly Wait" (1998) with Jennifer Love Hewitt. I watched parts of it and vaguely remember it, but from what I can recall, it was a good teen/high school movie. Then there's "American Pie" (1999) and "Loser" (1999), both with Jason Biggs and Mena Suvari. If you think American Pie sucked, then you're worthless. :P And Loser was pretty good, IMHO. As for Julia Stiles, there were "10 Things I Hate About You" (1999) and "Down To You" (2000). Never saw Down To You. 10 Things was a bit teenybopperish (sic, YakSpit), but it wasn't horrible by any means. Then there are the loads of movies with Freddie Prinze Jr. that qualfy as teen movies ("She's All That" (1999) among them). I've heard that She's All That wasn't all that bad for what it was.
Looking back now, I don't know why I included Kutcher. I included Sean William Scott for his parts in "American Pie" and other comedies.
Well, to be fair, I was talking about the actual people, not the movies they made.
(although I don't like any of those movies. also, American Pie sucked.)
You mean the actual people as actors, sucked? Bah. ANd how dare you say American Pie sucked! HEATHEN! :P
american pie didn't suck...
that would mean it has gone past the state of sucking
not, it continues to suck
and so does the breakfast club
Quote from: MrColossal on Mon 17/11/2003 07:12:15
american pie didn't suck...
that would mean it has gone past the state of sucking
not, it continues to suck
and so does the breakfast club
w00t!
Quote from: MrColossal on Mon 17/11/2003 07:12:15
and so does the breakfast club
Thank god I'm not the only one who thinks so. I don't understand everyone's love affair with a movie that is 90% annoying crying and whining and 10% unrealistic, annoying dialogue, and add another 10% of whining for good measure.
That's 110% of sucking!
Cah! The youth of today. They just don't understand us.
Where's Dave Gilbert?
I once read a Movie-A-minute script somewhere that went like this:
The Breakfast Club
All the kids: I HATE ALL YOU GUYS!!!
The kids smoke grass
All the kids: Hey, you guys aren't so bad.
THE END
Meh, I prefer Ferris Bueller.
Speaking of which, did you know the guy who played Rooney got busted for kiddie porn? -- No wonder he was after Bueller.
He wanted to give him more than just a detention. ;D
Ouch, thats tight, fair and true, but tight
And teen movies suck, im a teen, and im ashamed of the crap being pumped out of hollywood, the best real teen movie out there is "ken park"
Hey, I'm a poorly developed loser girl, but the popular kid put makeup on me and I got with the Jock! AWESOME!
apart from that synopsis, Can't Hardly Wait and She's All That were amazingly dreadful.
As much as 10 Things was a cute and pointless film, it says much about the genre that it is one of the better teen films made from any decade. At least it knew that it was stupid, pointless, light hearted and unrealistic and thus emulated it's source material (Taming of the Shrew) in all it intended to do. I have to say that Clueless, as it also knew what it was (and was gifted a lead who didn't need to act for the role) succeeded more than the drivel and insidious messages found with John Hughes' of his modern day emulator's tripe.
And I liked Not Another Teen Movie.
I also hated The Breakfast Club. My friend made me watch it, saying it was one of his favourite films of all time. Idiot.
I like your friend.
I also like the Breakfast Club.
Sure it's cheesy, the dialog is unrealistic, and there are appallingly bad moments that make you cringe (the dope smoking then dancing scene, the elephant trunk scene, etc), but... actually, it's pretty bad really isn't it?
[Steve takes off rose-tinted specs]
It's cheesy.. that's why it's good. It's the epitome of 80's psycho-babble drivel. It's utterly unrealistic nonsense. That's what I enjoyed The Breakfast Club. It's akin to the enjoyment of B-grade horror flicks, only in the comedy genre. St. Elmo's Fire was supposed to be another great 80's drama/comedy starring many of the same actors.. I didn't find it nearly as memorable.
I utterly despise most movies aimed at teens today. The ones that don't take themselves seriously are at least somewhat redeemed.
Eh, I don't know. I think for a movie to say "Well, I KNOW I'm cheesy, so it's ok that I suck!" is sort of a cop-out. If the movie itself knows it's bad, I won't even bother.
I don't know if it'd count as a teen film as such, but my favourite would have to be Stand By Me.
Quote from: remixor on Mon 17/11/2003 11:01:40
Eh, I don't know. I think for a movie to say "Well, I KNOW I'm cheesy, so it's ok that I suck!" is sort of a cop-out. If the movie itself knows it's bad, I won't even bother.
Two words, one number:
Evil Dead 2.
I win. ;D
Zing!
Quote from: YakSpit on Mon 17/11/2003 11:21:05
Quote from: remixor on Mon 17/11/2003 11:01:40
Eh, I don't know. I think for a movie to say "Well, I KNOW I'm cheesy, so it's ok that I suck!" is sort of a cop-out. If the movie itself knows it's bad, I won't even bother.
Two words, one number:
Evil Dead 2.
I win. ;D
No, see, obviously there's a misunderstanding here. The above only applies if the movie is
bad. You must have it backwards or something. Evil Dead 2
rules.
Quote from: remixor on Mon 17/11/2003 11:01:40
Eh, I don't know. I think for a movie to say "Well, I KNOW I'm cheesy, so it's ok that I suck!" is sort of a cop-out. If the movie itself knows it's bad, I won't even bother.
That was my point exactly... The movie knew it was cheesy.. The follow-up DEFINATELY knew it was cheesy. All 3 rock, in my humble opinion. Just remember that there are exceptions, you famous old person, you.
I withdraw all my previous comments about my favourite teen movies, for I now feel the best teen movie I've seen is "The Paris Hilton Sex Tape".
This awe-inspiring film transcends the mere angst film into a pure work of art. I felt Paris Hilton's performance in this film looked very sincere, especially when Rick Solomon humped her from behind. Look for this come Oscar time. Three thumbs up!
And it goes nicely with the aforementioned zombie movies. Those glowing red eyes and grey skin... creepy.
I think the movie was filmed by Zapruder -- I even have a theory of a shot hitting Paris' face from a grassy knoll.
I just realized something. My tastes in entertainment differ VERY greatly from any of yours. I actually liked the Breakfast Club and sure 10 Things wasn't a classic, but it was entertaining IMHO. I feel so...alone.
Zing!
I would add a suitcase bomb to the "frat Pack"
C.
My my my, I've only now noticed how cynical most of the AGS community is. Bah.
Don't worry Terran.. I liked 10 Things too!
I've seen it a gagillion times because it use to always be on cable and it would be the ONLY thing on.. lol..
Anyways.. Never seen The Breakfast Club, probably won't.. So can't agree with you there..
But I swear, Terran.. You and I are copies of eachother.. But you're the sexier, older copy.. :-p
Andrew, that was incredibly disturbing...
/me pulls down his pants.