Come on! We havent had one of these for a while!
Ok so I was thinking about teh gays (as I do sometimes) and I wondered why we segregate men from women (toilets and locker rooms and stuff) but not homosexuals from their gender or even from each other now that i think about it.
This led me to consider other times we have segregated and why it was considered bad. Why is racial segregation different from gender segregation? What is the defining characteristic?
I am physiologically different to a woman (shut up) but I am also physiologically different to a black guy. The differences are less stark but still there.
What about transsexuals? At what point is a male to female transgender allowed to use a female bathroom? When she identifies as a woman? Or when she has the operation? If the latter then are we saying that its merely the possession of a penis? What sense does that make?
If you are going to argue that it's the physical attraction that makes it inappropriate, that doesnt seem to stack up with the facts.
Firstly, men and women tend not to mind sharing a bathroom with homosexuals (some do but most dont) but would mind sharing with the opposite sex.
Also, do you think you would mind sharing a locker room with a member of the opposite sex if they told you that they didnt find you sexually attractive in the slightest (assuming you believed them).
I'm trying to organise my thoughts on this but nothing seems to make a lot of sense when i consider it rationally.
Does anyone have any insight? Are you gay? Do you have a problem with sharing a bathroom with a homosexual or the opposite sex? If so, why? or indeed why not if you dont.
Calin, those are very good questions! Sadly, I have no clue about that either.
Why don't we have shared bathrooms? I guess the same reason why we don't walk around naked when it's hot outside. But what that reason is is another story. Tradition?
I guess it goes with the concept of "privacy". Your body is something that is a symbol of that. There are maybe other ones - like diaries - you would hate anybody to see them, but the people that are very close to you. Maybe the same goes with your nakedness.
I don't know. It's a complex problem. You put the questions well. It doesn't really make sense.
Interesting topic.
First of all, I don't see myself more physiologically different from a black guy than from a fat white guy, on the contrary, in fact (think airplane seats). Not sure why you'd think otherwise.
When it comes to bathrooms, I think throughput is an issue. Girls need their stalls, but men can often do without, even without an actual urinal. Depending on the location, there are quite often just metal walls and a gutter.
So it makes sense to separate people according to their anatomy from a purely practical standpoint. I guess that's why feminists don't protest against separated bathrooms ;)
When it comes to awkwardness, you can't realistically draw the line according to which gender people feel attracted to. Do you seriously expect gays to come out publicly everywhere by using the locker room for girls? Thus, like in most other areas of public life, the categories are based on the 99%.
Quote from: Khris on Fri 04/05/2012 11:21:18
First of all, I don't see myself more physiologically different from a black guy than from a fat white guy, on the contrary, in fact (think airplane seats). Not sure why you'd think otherwise.
There *are* physiological differences between ethnic groups. They just arent all that significant. Blacks tend to be more at risk from sickle cell anemia for instance. I appreciate that its very tenuous but I was just trying to draw a comparison to show that the physiological difference between men and women isn't a particularly good reason.
Quote from: Khris on Fri 04/05/2012 11:21:18
When it comes to bathrooms, I think throughput is an issue. Girls need their stalls, but men can often do without, even without an actual urinal. Depending on the location, there are quite often just metal walls and a gutter.
So it makes sense to separate people according to their anatomy from a purely practical standpoint. I guess that's why feminists don't protest against separated bathrooms ;)
I doubt this to be the case.
I mean it's true that there are different requirements but we both know thats not the reason.
Quote from: Khris on Fri 04/05/2012 11:21:18
When it comes to awkwardness, you can't realistically draw the line according to which gender people feel attracted to. Do you seriously expect gays to come out publicly everywhere by using the locker room for girls? Thus, like in most other areas of public life, the categories are based on the 99%.
Gay men using the girls locker room would be no solution since the girls might be attracted to the men.
Also, in addition, why is it acceptable to have "Women's night" at the gym? Or a "Men's Only" club. Why is that deemed to be acceptable segregation? In those cases, physiological differences are definitely not a factor.
There are schools in my local area with Unisex toilets...all stalls no urinals lol (FOR REAL)
and also quite a few firms have unisex bathrooms etc.
As a buddisty kinda guy I just embrace the world for all its qualities. I don't believe I am any different to a woman mentally however biologically we differ a lot due to Testosterone and Estrogen (*dont know about the spelling). In modern society we are brought up to believe that a woman does this and a man does that I'M A MAN I GO TO WORK and I'M A WOMAN I MAKE BABIES AND FEED YOU. Its pants yes I will agree but how do you change the attitude of a few Billion (I feel all Brian Cox now WAYYYY ) people.
Why women and men want privacy from the opposite sex (and, if possible, from sexually interested same-sex personnel)
> Men are worried they will be judged based on physical appearance and penis size.
> Women are worried they will be judged based on physical appearance, breast size etc.
However, such judgings are lesser in intensity and easier to ignore from same-sex and similiarly oriented people, thus the segregation helps us avoid unwanted criticism so we don't need to cry and bitch about someone telling us we don't look good enough.
That may be true for showers etc, WHAM, but not for toilets with stalls.
It probably depends on the situation. Going to a unisex sauna is not weird at all for me. If the context is meant to be naked it's not a problem. But if a man for example enters a women's shower room this would probably mean crossing the border of privacy, as Oliwerko has mentioned.
So why is is not a problem to use a locker room together with homosexual people? Maybe because this is still according to convention i.e. only people of the same sex. If you break with convention people feel uncomfortable (which does not only apply to this subject, but to many situations)
If I have to hear someone shitting, I'd rather they were of the same gender as me.
Segregation: race and sexuality
Blacks from Whites segregation. Thankfully this was resolved in the 60's. Why, the USA even has a Black President today!
When it comes to gender benders (transsexuals, transvestites, Bisexuals and the like) there will always be a problem, from both sides.
If the world were to try and segregate every different type of human being on this planet I think it would be an impossible task.
If we had cubicles (toilet) for each type there would be an awful lot of cubical doors!
Who would we share cubicles with? Well, that's the $64,000 question.
The world is very very cosmopolitan. A man is a man and a woman is a woman and in the end its down to X and Y so we are told.
Unless the world governments rethink about this or there is another Holocaust (god forbid) then I think the world has it right about as much as it can at the present.
I mean, if you are a transvestite (man in woman's clothing) with toilet should you go in?
It's far too much to contemplate so we should just grin and bear it and get on with it.
There we always be those that cry "I am segregated".
By the way, I am white and heterosexual 100%.
Forgive me for any generalisations I may be about to make but hear me out:
For women, more than men, the bathroom is more than just a bathroom. Men go to the toilet to excrete. Women go to the toilet to excete, too, but also to powder their nose, and to chat about boys. It's well known that they go in pairs or groups. It's the one place they can discuss the men/boys they fancy without the men ever knowing what they are thinking. If all toilets became unisex, they would lose the one place they can talk about us behind our backs.
Also, women are a little more coy about their bodily functions. I don't think they want men to know that they are capable of farting (one friend of mine genuinely denies she has ever farted, to the point where I would believe her if it wasn't physically impossible). As a man, I can fart while standing at the urinal and the bloke next to me won't care, he might even laugh. I don't like farting in front of ladies, and they don't like me farting in front of them, so the men's room is really the only place a man can escape the presence of ladies in order to let one rip, and do other smelly things.
There are also 'ladies' things' which, again, they can be very coy about. Men aren't supposed to know about the special little bin in every cubicle :-[
What is love?
Quote from: Dualnames on Fri 04/05/2012 15:42:43
What is love?
Love is...beautiful!
P.S.: Gender segregation has got a lot to do with the genealogy of modern societies, the gender-stereotypical functions assigned to their identifiable members of either one and the fundamental insecurity caused by a destabilization of the latter.
You know, bathroom stalls are a perfect example: Why the hell do women have to identify with the symbol of a triangularly shaped person, obviously wearing a dress or some sort of traditional triangular robe, while men wear trousers? Why is a dress perceived as "female", when it's just a piece of cloth covering any body in pretty much the same way (if you set aside anatomical differences)? Probably the same reason why there is a pink Playstation 2, which I am so going to buy off ebay as soon as possible.
Good observation Stu. It's nice how everyone comes up with a different POW of the same situation.
kaputtnik said it well about the traditions - I think that people just NEED to be sex-segregated, and it cannot be erased, illogical as it may be. When you are raised in a society like this, you can't just go and dress yourself in a dress if you're a man and get no negative feedback.
Quote from: Stupot+ on Fri 04/05/2012 14:33:52
There are also 'ladies' things' which, again, they can be very coy about. Men aren't supposed to know about the special little bin in every cubicle :-[
There's a special little bin? Why? What's in it? Puppies? Rainbows? Emergency hugs? What the hell are they keeping in this bin, Stu? Because if it's explosives, I think the other people in the office need to know about it. And how do you know about this, Stu? Are you in on the plot? Is the revolution about to start? WHY WASN'T I TOLD?!? 8-0
I don't think it even comes down to gender, sexuality, or even segregation; It's privacy as far as bathrooms go.
I'm bisexual like a 4/5 on the Kinsey Scale (no one is safe). I can say from personal experience it's a lot more comfortable with stall-walls or at least decent height urinal walls.
I have had the awkward situation of being out with a bunch of the guys, my mates, and having to stand at a trough or urinals without privacy walls of any kind.
(laugh) My general approach in those kind of things is to make intent eye-contact with something fascinating on the ceiling till I've finished.
Eventually places will have unisex bathrooms, with decent sized privacy boxes around the stall/urinal, and it'll just be.
QuoteFirstly, men and women tend not to mind sharing a bathroom with homosexuals (some do but most dont) but would mind sharing with the opposite sex.
Gee... Not where I'm from. (wtf)
I can't really make any real comments on being uncomfortable or comfortable with integrated locker-rooms and gyms and dormitories. I have sexual thoughts about both genders, so there's not really that distinction for me. I'm gonna be at about the same level of comfort/discomfort either way.
I think full gender integration is something that'll eventually happen on it's own. I think we'll always celebrate the sexes unique qualities, but we'll do it equally, without exclusion of anyone who can relate to those qualities. (nod)
Quote from: Calin Leafshade on Fri 04/05/2012 11:02:45
why we segregate men from women (toilets and locker rooms and stuff)
I know this thread is old but I randomly thought of some reasons. The segregation can be explained by the cultural context of the first public toilet opened in London, 1852. The toilets were designated male and female to provide privacy for both (Victorians were insanely prude) and more practically to reduce the risk of sexual assault. In the 1830s people were still being executed for homosexuality, so the only distinction was somebody's biological sex because that's all society knew. I guess this is just something that has remained and been applied to most other areas (swimming pools etc) because it set the norm for dividing public places into male and female, and it has worked very efficiently since then so why change it by adding all these extra doors?
Arguably, if the entire public toilet system was to be redesigned (as if we forgot they ever existed) it might be that public toilets are divided by gender identity rather than biological gender. That's major theorising on my part but given the extremely more liberal attitudes and political correctness since 1852, it's definitely a possibility. Also, the number of public unisex toilets now are increasing and some councils have created gender-neutral toilets (there's one in my area). Essentially, the answer is that attitudes have evolved, but the basic system of discriminating between members of the public has remained the same because it is still the most logical approach. If LGBT were not a small minority, I would agree that the system wouldn't make sense. But there is no point creating separate rooms for lesbians, transexuals, gays, bisexuals, and asexuals if the vast majority of the public are heterosexual and identify their gender with their biological sex.
I quite often hear female washrooms are disgusting compared to the male washrooms. I don't have any firsthand proof of this as I have never actually been in a female washroom. Apparently there's womanly products all over the floors (this is most likely in bars and such though - which is generally where I hear the comment - when random ladies decide to skip the female line and use the mans washroom. Having them stand behind me while I use the urinal while they wait for a stall).
One main reason I prefer the segregation is for the sex appeal. I don't want the sex appeal I have for women tainted by hearing or smelling what can come out of their bodies; just as I don't want them to be witness to mine. I know of some couples who have zero boundaries when it comes to personal hygiene and such (eg: shitting while the other is brushing their teeth in the same washroom). I personally believe in keeping things like that behind closed doors. Just because we both know what each other is doing in the washroom, doesn't mean we need an audience. Over time I can see that seriously killing the sex appeal of any long term relationship.
I guess you better get used to Rosy Palm then, Ryan, because I hate to break it to you but when you and a girl move in together she's going to have to take shits and urinate and fart and all those other things you do and yeah, sometimes it's going to smell horrible and it could even happen while you're in taking a shower or brushing your teeth (unless you lock the door, in which case your girlfriend will likely wonder why you're being so secretive when you've been naked together).
That's called normal, everyday, life.
Your viewpoint is a pretty common one though and ties in with the topic pretty well because men have this tendency to think that women don't/shouldn't drop turds that smell bad or horrible farts and therefore women think it's a terrible offense for them to fart publicly or around their boyfriends until they get married and stop giving a damn. This ties back to the whole unrealistic expectations we have of each other. Oh, and women certainly have their weird quirky misapprehensions about men, too.
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I didn't say I wasn't attracted to women because they shit. I'm only saying I would prefer to not be witness to it. Keyword being: prefer. Of course I'll be walking into a bathroom that has been previously fumed (one reason why I have ventilation in every bathroom). I'm not going to leave my girlfriend because of it. I'm only saying that everything that someone does that is unattractive to you, is of course going to affect the sex appeal - even just slightly.
And I don't mean forever, I just mean at that moment. Unless you're constantly doing something unappealing like farting at inappropriate places, like during a meal or nestled together on the couch. That would have to be a constant thing though to be detrimental to the relationship. Look at how many marriages or serious relationships can't even last 10 years. It's everything you do that affects that. From the gagging sound you make when you're brushing your teeth, to the way the fork scrapes along your teeth as you eat. I'm not saying these small things are the reason for people breaking up, I'm saying it all adds up.
Anyway, I'm not secretive with my body or its functions, or anything of the sort. I just know what is rude or unappealing and like to avoid doing so around people I respect. It all falls down to respect.
It's like when I clip my nails for instance. I always either go outside, or to the garage, or bathroom. Why would I want any loose flying clippings to land on the carpet, couch, bed, etc. It can easily be avoided, so why not do it. To me, someone farting, burping or picking their nose all day long has an equal sex appeal as having terrible breath.
I don't scream to have the door closed when my girlfriend walks in on me taking a number two. But yes, I'd be locking the door just so I can have my 5 minutes alone and uninterrupted.
Edit: And I'm not saying you should be uncomfortable all day long because you've got a cork in your ass trying not to fart. I know how painful that can get when you're with a bunch of attractive woman and badly need to let one go. It's better to let them go then it is to hold them in. But there are moments when holding it for the extra few minutes is the gentlemanly thing to do. Or just roll down the window in the car - no one likes dutch ovens. ;)
QuoteOver time I can see that seriously killing the sex appeal of any long term relationship.
This was the main sentence that caused me to comment, this idea of yours that people going about their daily activities of this nature would somehow reduce sex appeal. The sentence itself sounds really shallow, almost like a drunk saying it's too bright outside as an excuse to get drunk.
If people are getting divorced because of surface issues like this then they never should have married in the first place, and indeed, this is probably one of the root causes of high divorce rates now, the shallow and petty nature of some people when it comes to their tolerance of others.
QuoteIt's like when I clip my nails for instance. I always either go outside, or to the garage, or bathroom. Why would I want any loose flying clippings to land on the carpet, couch, bed, etc. It can easily be avoided, so why not do it. To me, someone farting, burping or picking their nose all day long has an equal sex appeal as having terrible breath.
Do you run to the bathroom every time you have to fart, too? Or burp? Or scratch your nads? I mean it sounds so utterly ridiculous on its face that I would rather believe you were bullshitting me than being honest. It's not like we're talking about someone with a habitual problem where they fart constantly and cause a scene, we're talking about a woman letting one rip in your presence and it somehow being a slight to you (you yourself use the term respect, especially). So it's disrespectful for someone to fart in your presence? And for a woman, it's not only disrespectful but will lead to an eventual total loss of sex appeal?
If anything, you should be flattered that a girl feels comfortable enough around you to just be herself and not sit there uncomfortably or leaving every x minutes to keep up some fake pretense. Now if she's doing it and acting like she's not or being really obnoxious about it that's rather different but I don't think that's what were talking about here.
I think this is one of the weirdest discussions I've ever participated in. I can't say I ever thought I would be here defending a womans' right to fart around a man with impunity.
Haha now you're making me sound like a prude. No. I don't run away "Oh god I gotta fart".
Unless a person is super clingy and spends every moment with their girlfriend, then they pretty much have to do it in front of her. All I'm saying is there are PLENTY of moments throughout the day to pass gas without looking like a jackass. How many times do you piss a day, or go to your bedroom to get something, or leave the house. Plenty of times.
You don't see the handsome swoony guy on a chick flick spreading cheek on the couch to let one go - it would ruin what the women see in him. Unless of course it was somehow a fart joke or something to enhance his comical side. Oh how they love funny guys. ;)
The majority of girls I've known have never passed gas in front of me. Friends, relatives, lovers, etc. They do it out of respect and self preservation. I wouldn't get pissy and say "Oh my god! You're disgusting". It happens and needs to happen.
Everyone has the friend or relative that burps his ass off twelve different ways while drinking a can of pop. I personally find it rude (To be off-topic and honest, I actually am more baffled how someone could physically burp that much during one can of pop. Seriously. I would need to drink a whole 2L bottle to burp that much. They've got to be swallowing air along with it or something). How does that enhance his image to you. Why does he need to burp louder than he talks? Is the burp a form of communication? No. But most guys who do this have formed this persona of: "I need to belch this shit out and let everyone know I'm a real man". Their dad does it, or friends do it, they copy them. They don't think about it, they just do it.
And to those men, they see it as actually being feminine if they're not belching out the alphabet or shooting the birds with their ass gas. Just like how you're baffled how I choose to do these things at moments when it's more suited. You've likely pinned me with a feminine tag and are super confused by it - just because to you, it's just a fart. It's a manly fart. "It's part of our nature. Why hide it?".
So why don't we all just shit in a coffee can on the living room floor while our family is all gathered together to watch a movie. Sounds like the new future of openness to bodily functions.
My point. Simple. How is shitting on the living floor any different from farting?
Edit: I forgot to comment on this:
QuoteSo it's disrespectful for someone to fart in your presence? And for a woman, it's not only disrespectful but will lead to an eventual total loss of sex appeal?
Honestly. To a degree yes. If I were hooking up with a new girl and it's only been a couple weeks and she's already at that stage where she can fart around me. It would all depend on how the fart itself was presented. If she's gotta do it, then by all means. I just wouldn't want us sitting side by side on a picnic table having her let one rip, take a swig of beer, and then let another rip.
But if she were to do it in a respectful way, like stand up and move a move away a bit, I'd be much better with it. Even an apology or an excuse me would be nice.
The same would still apply for someone I've had a long term relationship with. But it's much less unappealing with someone I love.
Edit: How this went from segregating washrooms to being socially polite is a baffle, but it pretty much stems on the same shit.
I mostly meant I don't care so much if my male friends or family are farting like animals when it's just us (the mens washroom - basically). But when a woman is around (having a unisex washroom), I feel like we should be more polite - just as I would expect women to do the same around men.
I mostly don't care if men are pigs around me because men can be disgusting and I don't care about the sex appeal of my male friends. Which is why I like having separate washrooms. I don't want a woman to enter a unisex washroom to see all the piss on the urinal or floor and think "men are gross", grouping me in that category as well.
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You don't see the handsome swoony guy on a chick flick spreading cheek on the couch to let one go - it would ruin what the women see in him. Unless of course it was somehow a fart joke or something to enhance his comical side. Oh how they love funny guys.
This actually made me laugh because I honestly had the impression earlier that many of your opinions about this were formed from movies...and it seems I was bang on!
Quotejust because to you, it's just a fart. It's a manly fart. "It's part of our nature. Why hide it?".
This is amusing on two levels: one, because you are the one associating manliness with farting and not me, and two because you've somehow mixed up something natural with being primal or mannish only.
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My point. Simple. How is shitting on the living floor any different from farting?
This is just a total distortion of anything resembling a valid comparison. I could think of a lot of differences both culturally and ethically (not to mention logistically...farts are temporary, ethereal events in time but that shit is still going to be on the floor tomorrow for you to smell and step on) between passing gas and hunkering down over the floor with your ass cheeks spread dropping monsturds out for everyone to see...and quite honestly, I think you do as well.
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I just wouldn't want us sitting side by side on a picnic table having her let one rip, take a swig of beer, and then let another rip.
This ties into my earlier point about the difference between doing something because it's necessary and natural and doing it simply to be obnoxious and offensive. Regardless, you still seem offended when it's done out of necessity unless they move away from you or apologize profusely like they stepped on your foot.
Is a quick 'excuse me' enough to satisfy you or does the woman still lose appeal and approval in your eyes?
Also, send me some of these girls that have never ever farted or done anything untoward around you. That sounds pretty unique!
Quote from: ProgZmax on Thu 28/06/2012 02:52:10
Also, send me some of these girls that have never ever farted or done anything untoward around you. That sounds pretty unique!
They're Canadians. ;)
I'm serious though. I've only known one girl who would fart around guys. She was a yappy girl with attitude, skinny as a toothpick, very tiny and super gorgeous. Which is probably the main reason it didn't bother me as much. When I was younger and working at the grocery store with her, she would randomly walk up to me, fart then laugh about it. Then she'd quickly walk away as a customer came down the aisle. The person would without a doubt think it was me. It was pretty funny actually.
QuoteThis actually made me laugh because I honestly had the impression earlier that many of your opinions about this were formed from movies...and it seems I was bang on!
I'm confused as all hell by this. So it's only Hollywood magic to be nice to others? My opinions aren't formed from movies. It's what I've learned to dislike. It's mostly what I've learned to dislike about my father (he's one of those people open to farting whenever the urge strikes). I actually adopted his behaviors when I was young and used to do the same around my girlfriends.
I just started to notice how I didn't like my dad doing it all the time. It's actually probably his recent girlfriend he's been dating for the past 10 or so years that made me realize how unappealing it is. When he'd let one rip at inappropriate times, she'd scold him in a serious but joking attitude (not disgusted, but basically trying to point out that he could've held it - she's not farting like a machine gun all the time, so why does he need to).
QuoteThis is amusing on two levels: one, because you are the one associating manliness with farting and not me, and two because you've somehow mixed up something natural with being primal or mannish only.
Fine, we'll replace "you" with "most men". Because it's exactly why they do it. It's the exact reason why I have done it. It can also be a joke and a competition when you're with other guys.
Shitting is just as natural as farting. But just because one is temporary, doesn't make it less gross than the other. It only makes it more forgettable because, like you said, you're not walking in it the next day. And don't tell me you're willing to stick your nose into your boxers after letting go a large fart. Your anus is not magical - it's not just gas that's getting released.
Unless you're trying to argue that a fart isn't gross, then I can't see why we're arguing that it's not appealing. Period.
QuoteIs a quick 'excuse me' enough to satisfy you or does the woman still lose appeal and approval in your eyes?
Why would I lose appeal because she has to fart? Excuse me is all I ask for and to be less gross about it - like aiming that cannon away from me. Or in bed, just lift the covers on the side that you're on to not trap that lovely brew in there.
My main argument about damaging sex appeal was mostly about witnessing something unappealing from the masses. Like my last edit above with the girls thinking all men are gross because of the piss on the floors or urinal. Hell, just from the amount of times I go into the stall to find a nice yellow surprise on the toilet seat (it's almost every single time). Some guys are pigs. It's a fact. Imagine a girl having to enjoy that as much as I do - especially when they pretty much need to sit down.
Just because I love a vagina doesn't mean I want to see photographic shots of the innards before making love or oral. Same with her taking a Mexican night shit and wanting to make love afterwards. Shower it up baby. lol
I don't have a cork up my ass and am walking on eggshells around women, so don't think of me as being like that. I just prefer a woman who respects herself as much as she does me, and I like to do the same.
It seems clear that we have different definitions of respect. I don't see respect as repressing natural functions like gas because they may be momentarily unpleasant but rather about seeing the other person as an equal and therefore free to engage in all the things other people do. Now I suppose if you find a girl who views respect in the same way as you do then it works but most women I have known will pretend they didn't fart or hold it in for hours, etc because they have been conditioned that it's 'improper for women', which I think is just some real outdated bullshit.
Fair is fair, and I like women to be feminine and girly and all those nice things, but taking exception to them passing gas is like saying they can't swear or spit...it's not only unrealistic but I think, personally, it's insensitive to women who are, afterall, human beings just like you and me.
I don't know who designed the toilets to be separate to begin with, the men or the women, but I can see both sides being uncomfortable with others around. And it's not just something they've learned(sp) in their own toilets, but... well, I remember reading a "pooping" board at the forum of a Finnish baby-magazine. It's actually a great source of fun, but anyway, you'd be surprised to know the amount of women who are arfaid to take a shit when there's someone in the room or behind the door. There was a whole discussion about how to shit without making a sound etc. I'll say let them have their and us ours.
Aww, I missed a cool thread.
I thought this was a thread about why games and movies often pick a white American male to be the protagonist. :(
GTA:SA THAT IS ALL.
But in all seriousness I prefer not hearing or smelling woman taking dumps.
Implying that it's men you enjoy hearing and smelling?:) (wtf) 8-0 :cool:
Edit: That explosion of smileys was an accident, but I'll leave them for posterity.
Well now If I get my choice I'd be all alone in there... Honestly I really don't care... Its the people who do the godawful things in the restrooms that I want to be segregated from.
Any who I'm to lazy to write a educated response to this.