okay, let me start by saying i am a mature person.
now, let me say that i think this 16+ age limit thingo that Andail and a bunch of other hippocrits have been doing is stupid. I mean, just because i'm under the age of 16, i should be cast out as a freak? No, i shouldn't.
But for some reason, i am.
That's because you act like you're twelve, and all this insulting the moderators business is very immature. Same goes for your threads. Now, I don't mean to be rude to you, but most of this is probably your own fault. Do more lurking around before posting new topics, and stop complaining.
You'll grow out of it, and that's why we have age limits. :)
You are not a mature person. End of discussion.
There have been some loved members that were under 16. The age is an issue just when somebody behaves in an inmature way.
Like CJ wrote before, the age limit was set because of LAW.
So it's written rule for these forums, however, it's not enforced strictly unless someone tends to flood the forums with immature junks. If a member can keep his manner and post in a mature way, we hardly ever care to check his age, however, according to your previous posts you're obviously not a mature enough person.
If you were that mature of a person, I don't think you'd be that upset by the age limit.
what,
so just because i spoke out about the fact that moderators treat anyone under 16 like garbage makes me immature?
No, not only that, actually.
But " i spoke out about the fact that moderators treat anyone under 16 like garbage" is enough reason.
I'm treated like grabage? :O
well,
seeing as your under 16, they probably loathe you behind your back.
they think that anyone under 16 is an immauture idiot. Now, i'm no pschologist, but this is pathetic. Seriously, anyone who wants to eliminate the evil evil evil forces of Locking Threads send me a PM.
Flukeblake, you have failed to keep a low profile in the past, now do your best to repair it.
All of this just makes our actions against you more justified.
And don't PM me more insults and curses, that's a warning.
this is pathetic.
for a "dignified" forum, there are a lot of jerks. why do we even care about this age limit? It makes no sense. Who cares how old someone is? I bet that if an 8 year old registered in these forums, he would have more sense,goodwill and acceptance than almost all of you. this is pathetic.
Flukeblake, don't you see? By doing things like this you seem MORE immature! I wasn't 16 when I joined here. I was very immature. But then I grew out of it... I think. Did I? :-\
If you don't like it, go somewhere else. CJ pays for these forums and has appointed mods to do a job. They do their job very well. All of them. They don't need some whiney 12 year old telling them how to do their jobs.
You think that they're treating you "like a freak". No. They're not. They're treating you like someone who hasn't got a proper grasp of the English language who comes in here and demands everyone pay attention without following the rules set here. For example, your damn signature images is still too big. You still haven't changed it even after you've been told to by Darth. Not only that, you start some of the most illogical threads. You act like a troll. And then you demand to to be treated like a mature person.
I mean, when you go over to people's houses, do you immediately start jumping all over the furniture and demand the host to bring you some pie? No. Because you'd show some respect since it's their house. Same with this place. There are people who have been here a lot longer than you and can abide by the rules set by CJ and fellow oldies here. It's because they respect this place. You obvious show no respect. So why should we treat you like a mature person when you obviously have no respect for us and our rules?
Just find another forum to waste your time in. This place isn't for you. Go start a livejournal or something and write some bad poetry like all the other 12 year olds are doing. Hell, at least their poetry is amusing.
Quote from: Flukeblake on Wed 01/06/2005 07:40:57
well,
seeing as your under 16, they probably loathe you behind your back.
they think that anyone under 16 is an immauture idiot. Now, i'm no pschologist, but this is pathetic. Seriously, anyone who wants to eliminate the evil evil evil forces of Locking Threads send me a PM.
I'm sorry to tell you, Flukeblake, but people don't respond to the things you do because you're under 16. They respond to you because of the way you act. The age limit is not necessarily how old you are, it's how old you act. If you want respect here, you're going to have to stop making threads like this and you're definately going to have to stop bothering the moderators and being rude.
If you don't like the way the moderators do their job, then I'd suggest you try a different forum. This one obviously isn't for you.
look im 11 and im not exactly mature either but if you continue to talk to moderators like that you will be gone before you know it!
You've been told who-know-how many times about the way you behave around here, and none of the suggestions I've seen you actually follow. You see TheBrat499 here admits he's not that mature yet. But atleast he's followed the suggestions made to him by older, more experienced forum member and, most importantly, the moderators.
I remind thou again, the "Start new topic" option is a privilege, not a right.
Quote from: DGMacphee on Wed 01/06/2005 07:52:18someone who hasn't got a proper grasp of the English language
I remember a time where most Elite members weren't so particuliar about the English language either. That's not a very good reason.
I have no standing to say this at all, but despite Flukeblake's blatant immaturity, I'm a bit appalled everybody decided to take a moral high ground over him. Can't anybody say "been there, done that"? And though you all mean well by defending this forum and community's honor, why throw oil on the fire?
Quote from: Gilbot V7000a on Wed 01/06/2005 07:17:47
No, not only that, actually.
But " i spoke out about the fact that moderators treat anyone under 16 like garbage" is enough reason.
I mean stuff like this, which somewhat implies that it what *this* particular post that got him in trouble ... *sigh*
(Seems like Ishmael's post is one of the only ones that doesn't try to give a lesson.)
Quote from: Flukeblake on Wed 01/06/2005 07:50:33
this is pathetic.
for a "dignified" forum, there are a lot of jerks. why do we even care about this age limit? It makes no sense. Who cares how old someone is? I bet that if an 8 year old registered in these forums, he would have more sense,goodwill and acceptance than almost all of you. this is pathetic.
I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you're coming across as the jerk in the situation, not anyone else.
I'm sure the people here are not haters of people under 16 years old. We just don't want immature posts. Simple as that.
Quote from: Dowland on Wed 01/06/2005 09:08:34
I have no standing to say this at all
why not? everyone else has. :( well, i guess my only option now is to stop posting threads. But before i do, i think i should tell everyone what i think. If no moderators "policed" the forums, or at least they didn't have the power of the 'Lock Thread' option, these threads would be so much better.
Well, in the immortal words of Bugs Bunny, that's all folks.
There have been plenty of people on these forums under the age of 16 throughout the years, and I don't think one of them would complain about being treated like garbage. I was 15 when I first joined (although admittedly I did turn 16 10 days later...), and I was never treated badly because of my age. Hell, I became a moderator (EVIL, YOUNG-HATING MODERATOR!) less than a year later. The 16 age limit only exists because it's generally safe to say that if someone isn't fairly mature by that age, they're never gonna grow up. If you were capable of acting like an adult, your age would never have been an issue. You could be 12 and we wouldn't care, as long as you didn't act particularly immature.
Quote from: Dowland on Wed 01/06/2005 09:08:34
Quote from: DGMacphee on Wed 01/06/2005 07:52:18someone who hasn't got a proper grasp of the English language
I remember a time where most Elite members weren't so particuliar about the English language either. That's not a very good reason.
Way to quote me out of context. I did write stuff after that bit, y'know. :)
"Elite" members (whoever the hell they are) might not be so particular about English. Case in point: The Butcher, who is one of the most charming guys I've ever met on the internet. But someone who "hasn't got a proper grasp of the English language who comes in here and demands everyone pay attention without following the rules set here" bugs the hell out of me. I can't speak for anyone else, but my guess is I'm not alone in thinking this judging by some of the responses here.
QuoteI have no standing to say this at all, but despite Flukeblake's blatant immaturity, I'm a bit appalled everybody decided to take a moral high ground over him. Can't anybody say "been there, done that"? And though you all mean well by defending this forum and community's honor, why throw oil on the fire?
Defending the community's "honor"? Sounds like I'm going to fight a dragon for the community, then have my knightly way with her in her quarters. HA HA CALL ME SIR SPANK-A-LOT, PRINCESS COMMUNITY! YOUR HONOR IS MINE! HA HA!
Ahem... excuse me...
Seriously, no one is defending anyone or anything's honour. We're just saying simply: "Respect the rules or get out".
We've all "been there" and "done that". But from what I've learnt, if you want to be taken seriously, or even just accepted or understood, you've just got to respect other people's wishes first, especially the wishes people who pay for and run things for free, like internet forums. And I've learnt some harsh lessons about netiquette. Some of those lessons were deservedly from moderators here. Sure, I don't think I know everything about proper netiquette -- I still eat my ones and zeros with my fingers like a messy grub. But I do know about respecting people who give us a place to talk about adventure games for free. So, I don't think I'm preaching from a high and mighty place. I think I'm just speaking from experience.
Quote from: Flukeblake on Wed 01/06/2005 09:27:03
If no moderators "policed" the forums, or at least they didn't have the power of the 'Lock Thread' option, these threads would be so much better.
Moderators where made for a reason. If nobody "policed" the forums, we'd have so much spam, so many offending threads, so many threads in the wrong forums, so many repeated threads, etc. Yay for moderators, I say.
(Okay, AGA, now can I have $20?)
::) oh no, there'd be a teensylittle bit of spam or a tiny excerpt of swear (which there is heaps of anyway). Well booooooooooooooo-hooooooooooo. Call Superman, so he can stop the wrath of evil threadstarters. Godspeed! Rules were made to be broken. Okay, i admit i was a bit of a jackass, but i made some good rebuttals. Anyway, spam in moderation has been proven to be good for you.
or how about we call on Wrongthreadbusters, so they can launch a daring daylight raid on beginners who accidentally put their thread in the wrong thread.
Humbug
Where the hell is this all going...
So you want to be treated as an 16+ then act like one. With these posts your postin' you won't achive that. These rules are made to be followed not to be changed by one person who feels like they aren't fair.
EDIT:
QuoteI think we should stop humouring him and leave the situation to the moderators.
I agree.
Flukeblake finds the whole situation unfair because he finds it hard to understand what he is doing wrong. He is not at an age yet where he can understand others and treat them with respect.
I think we should stop humouring him and leave the situation to the moderators.
Andail and I kind of are the moderators, and we're dealing with it...
Chicky; extremely well put.
I was going to mention this catch 22 myself. Something along the lines of "if you're too young, you won't understand how immature you are".
The best you can do is to keep a low profile, watch and learn.
For the last time, Flukeblake, every single one in here is trying to explain things to you, but your persistance in refusing to understand makes it not worth the while.
Nobody hates you, we're not gonna ban you, we're not gonna flame you for no reason.
And Dowland; this is an extremely patient and open-minded forum. Where other forums would kick and ban members for the tiniest trolling, we try to teach and explain what they're doing wrong.
And as DG pointed out; CJ owns these forums, the rules are his to set. If the moderators are behaving badly, he will be the one to correct us. AGA, myself and the rest are still acting according to CJ:s plans, or else he would fire us!
Can we all try to accept these things and move on?
Flukeblake, can you try to abide to the rules, act as mature as possible, and simply calm down?
I agree, i was on AGS since i was 9 just watching and learning the rules, tricks of the trade and the humor of adventure games. only at the beggining of this year did i start making topics. you should give it a go.
one more thing, i have made a lot of bad comments and pointless topics(and i mean A LOT) but once i got speaken to by a moderatir i go back on track. you have been talked to by moderators at least 5 times and you still wont cooperate with us.
Good Luck AGA and Andail(You make a graet team)
Is this guy (Flukeblake) one-eyed ISP provider who put hundreds of crap posts in beginers forum about a week ago?
thats the one! ;)
Sure, he is mature ;D
I think you're barking the wrong tree there. It was some random troll, AFAIK. You too just walked over what had Andail said. Way to go. :/
So much about being mature and understanding ::)
Quote from: DGMacphee on Wed 01/06/2005 10:02:27
Defending the community's "honor"? Sounds like I'm going to fight a dragon for the community, then have my knightly way with her in her quarters. HA HA CALL ME SIR SPANK-A-LOT, PRINCESS COMMUNITY! YOUR HONOR IS MINE! HA HA!
hahahha....I wonder how many hapless alligators and monitor lizards were slaughtered by the chivalrous knights.
This thread is a gold-mine of quotes.
Quote from: Cameron on Wed 01/06/2005 07:37:26
I'm treated like grabage? :O
I hope that was a typo. Otherwise, I am up for grabage too.
/me looks around for takers
Flukeblake, everyone is guilty of a little immaturity. See ^ up there, I was too. However, if it gets too much, people start getting annoyed. Read around the forums. Or work on a game. Post when you have questions about art or scripting or music. Cool down for a while. If you post something now that might even have the slightest reason to attack, you'll probably be attacked. Once everyone else has also cooled down, even if you have the occasional "immature" (funning) post, it probably will be ignored.
Still, although it might not be my place to question (hehe..Fascist moderators! :=), but why was flukes sonic thread locked? Admittedly, the art was nothing great. Perhaps he only spent 5 minutes on it. But he could have improved, no?
I was not siding with Flukeblake ... just I think it's a bit harsh that everybody has something to say to him (when most were in his position at some point).
Quote from: Chicky on Wed 01/06/2005 10:31:28Flukeblake finds the whole situation unfair because he finds it hard to understand what he is doing wrong. He is not at an age yet where he can understand others and treat them with respect.
I think we should stop humouring him and leave the situation to the moderators.
But I think Chicky's post said things much better than I--and I agree entirely.
DGMacphee, :) can *
I* call you Sir Spank-A-Lot? ;D
Babar: It was a typo but I like how it turned out.
Flukeblake: When I started here I was pretty immature, still am really, but after listening to what the guys were saying and seeing how others acted on here I've turned into the wonderful guy I am today. You can be just like me!
...
Maybe thats not such a good idea.
I think Flukeblake feels angry and humiliated because moderators keep locking/moving his threats.
Flukeblake, don't be. The moderators have no personal grudge against you.
Indeed. We only have a grudge against that bastard Pumaman.
/me shakes fist.
Daaaamn him!
Quote from: Dowland on Wed 01/06/2005 11:29:51DGMacphee, :) can *I* call you Sir Spank-A-Lot? ;D
My room number is 233. You bring the champagne and I'll supply the handcuffs.
Is there really no forum safe from these quarrels? *Sigh*
I was gonna post some semi-educational rant about nettiquette, but I figured he gets the point. 'Nuff said in this thread...
Oh, and it's spelled "damnit" :=
Let me take this moment to point out the Member EINOO - he is very young. Ã, Read some of his posts, one that comes to mind is his recent post about Star Wars Episode III. Ã, It is extremely well written, has a sense of humour and maturity beyond his years.
Yes, there are young people who can strive for better things. Ã, I think Einoo is a shining example of our younger generation. Ã,Â
I liked the analogy I read earlier about "going over to someone's house, jumping on their furniture and demaning pie." Ã, That's a good way to put it. Ã, If you don't like the rules here, go to another forum. Ã, The internet is full of them. Ã, If you truly wish to learn more about AGS and it's inner machinations, I suggest you develop a certain amount of decorum.
They really don't ask much here - post mature, make sure it's funny (or helpful - and in DG's case it's NEITHER!!!!!!!!!) and, I like this one, don't pretend to me a MOD. Though some of us established folks are trying to help, I've seen people come off as smarmy.
Seriously, Flukebuke, take a cue from Einoo. Ã, It can be done by someone your age. Ã,Â
Bt
Quote from: DGMacphee on Wed 01/06/2005 10:02:27
But someone who "hasn't got a proper grasp of the English language who comes in here and demands everyone pay attention without following the rules set here" bugs the hell out of me.
The solar light has reached the outer space twice since I was 16, and I wasn't going to reply to this thread, until I noticed this remark...
I only speak for myself here, but I think people do try to follow the forum rules and use english, even if their posts are not "correct" enough.
I also think that some posts that are thought to be written in overfamiliar, or txt style , or "community" english, may be written from someone who doesn't speak english as a first language (sometimes the "mistake" is the exact translation from another language!)
I hope people here don't really believe that being good at making games depends on the level of written english!
<Note to self>
Ok, cp, enough ranting , get back to work now....
:P
I agree with "without following the rules set here" , of course
CP, the issue here isn't the spelling or the words of even gramatical construction per se. The issue is that Fluke's spelling, which by itself means nothing BUT when combined with the content it has, reveals that here is a person who doesn't really make an effort, and that sort of attitude logically ends up with him bitching about forum rules. DISCLAIMER - I'm only referring to his posts in this thread, I haven't read most of his previous ones.
Take Fmarais, for instance. He's a relatively new member, his spelling and gramatical construction make communication hard quite often, but insofar as I know that has never been an issue (except for the first couple of times he made his appearance, when no one knew him), because, although he sometimes IMHO gets a little "carried away" with stuff, he has... well, he has "behaved", he has accepted and complied with the forum rules. If Fluke had done that much, his spelling would be the least of anyone's worries.
Quote from: Rui "Brisby" Pires on Wed 01/06/2005 16:19:30
CP, the issue here isn't the spelling or the words of even gramatical construction per se. ..... his spelling would be the least of anyone's worries.
Well, I know that...but I like hearing it!!Ã, ;)
I 've seen this language thing mentionned so many times in the forum and it was kind of...intimidating. Not that it stopped
me, of course !!
As for Fluke,Ã, I'm neither his mum nor his concience.
Fluke I just wanted to say: You are wrong. I'm pretty young but the moderators have
never threated me like a garbage. Actually they have been very polite and have helped me with all the problems I've ever posted here. Also if the moderators didn't have the power to lock threads, what would these forums become? No offence but this thread here is a good example of why the age limit is set.
Quote from: Flukeblakeokay, let me start by saying i am a mature person.
If you really were, you wouldn't add "dammit" to the title.
Also, did I read wrong or have you sent insulting PM's to Andail? Do you think that is mature acting?
I'd suggest you to read every single post you have ever sent here. Then think about what you did wrong.
It's not to do with age at all, or English ability, it's not even to do with if you can make interesting or useful posts; you can get on fine here without any of that. Ã, But when your posts are locked, even if you disagree that they should have been, attacking moderators will only make things worse for you. Ã, We don't lock posts because we are assholes as your PMs insinuate, we do it because thats one of the reasons this forum stays as nice and friendly as it is... how many other amateur game developing communities meet up in real life twice a year, know most of the other members on a first name basis, have never banned anyone and so on? Ã, It might not make sense to you, what were your posts doing to harm that? Ã, Basically we need to keep a certain level of maturity and post quality throughout the forums, if we didn't we'd have hundreds of (probably younger) members starting threads like "Post your fone" which don't foster any discussion and it ends up becoming a communityless general chat forum where nobody reads one anothers posts and no good games are ever made, see the Game Maker forums.
You might not get it, but you have to live with it. Ã, What I'd recommend is working on your game and getting that released, people tend to be more accomodating to people who have produced things with AGS, and to try to write topics you start as best you can, it's easy to overlook the sensible question in a thread that is written like yours have been.
Quote from: BorisZ on Wed 01/06/2005 11:06:48
Is this guy (Flukeblake) one-eyed ISP provider who put hundreds of crap posts in beginers forum about a week ago?
No that was Sotoeovoeon. Thankfully he hasn't posted in awhile.
Fluke, grow up and act mature or stay immature and please don't post again.
Maybe you can find another forum to join for now (Sesame Street) and maybe return here when you're a little older.
Quoteoh no, there'd be a teensylittle bit of spam or a tiny excerpt of swear (which there is heaps of anyway). Well booooooooooooooo-hooooooooooo. Call Superman, so he can stop the wrath of evil threadstarters. Godspeed! Rules were made to be broken.
These forums originally had no moderators, and it worked well like that for about a year. But as a community grows, it starts to attract spammers and trolls, and moderators are necessary in order to keep the forum from turning into a mess.
A lot of the work the moderators do, you'll never see. Deleting spam as soon as it appears, PM'ing members who are acting out of line, and so on; if they do things right, you won't know that they're doing anything at all.
Think of the age limit here a bit like a the age to buy beer in a pub. Technically you have to be 18, but in reality so long as you look and act 18, the barman will serve you. Making sure that your posts here follow the golden rule of being interesting, helpful or funny is a good way to start. As has been mentioned, nobody is interested in a "post what mobile phone you have here" thread.
This is just to make clear that my spelling mistakes are unintentioned.
Wait you mean this guy DOSENT enjoy being treated like garbage? ???
I loved it. Honestly
Quote from: Flukeblake on Wed 01/06/2005 09:27:03
If no moderators "policed" the forums, or at least they didn't have the power of the 'Lock Thread' option, these threads would be so much better.
Then why did you ask to be one (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=20317.msg247614#msg247614)?
I smell hypocrisy!
Quote from: cp on Wed 01/06/2005 16:10:55
Quote from: DGMacphee on Wed 01/06/2005 10:02:27
But someone who "hasn't got a proper grasp of the English language who comes in here and demands everyone pay attention without following the rules set here" bugs the hell out of me.
The solar light has reached the outer space twice since I was 16, and I wasn't going to reply to this thread, until I noticed this remark...
I only speak for myself here, but I think people do try to follow the forum rules and use english, even if their posts are not "correct" enough.
I also think that some posts that are thought to be written in overfamiliar, or txt style , or "community" english, may be written from someone who doesn't speak english as a first language (sometimes the "mistake" is the exact translation from another language!)
I hope people here don't really believe that being good at making games depends on the level of written english!
cp: I believe this it is precisely because we have non-native English speakers in our community that it is important to
[/color=red]attempt[/color] to communicate clearly. The lame attempts at being cool are what's being critisized and not anyone's lack of English language skills. Intentionally using slang, such as "da" instead of "the", only creates confusion for everyone, especially non-native speakers.
I have been here for quite a while and I have never ever seen any non-native speaker critisized for his or her lack of English skills. So cp, please don't feel intimidated.
Flukeblake: If you act like a retard people will treat you like a retard; not just here but everywhere in life.
Quote from: Al_Ninio on Wed 01/06/2005 18:58:22
Quote from: Flukeblake on Wed 01/06/2005 09:27:03
If no moderators "policed" the forums, or at least they didn't have the power of the 'Lock Thread' option, these threads would be so much better.
Then why did you ask to be one (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=20317.msg247614#msg247614)?
I smell hypocrisy!
Perhaps he wanted to infiltrate the moderators in order to dissolve us from within, just like that Palpatine did with the jedis. Or R.K Maroon did with Toontown.
Ok, neither of those examples were very good.
Quote from: Andail on Wed 01/06/2005 20:07:33
Perhaps he wanted to infiltrate the moderators in order to dissolve us from within, just like that Palpatine did with the jedis. Or R.K Maroon did with Toontown.Ã,Â
And you call that "immature" ? :oÃ, Practicing these skills is the key to promissing careers , you know!
hey TheBrat499, I love your avatar.
"I rock... AND roll... ALL day long... Sweet Suzi..."
heh heh heh, that's an excellent film.
[EDIT: Erk! I missed the fact that this thread has three pages and TheBrat499 posted something on the first page only, so that my comment here looks (at best) somewhat loony... sorry everyone...]
[ALSO, I just thought how interesting it was that Flukeblake asked for "anyone who wants to eliminate the evil evil evil forces of Locking Threads send [him] a PM"... What did he plan to do at that point? Become a people's hero and rise up to oust CJ?... I suppose it WOULD rid us of those land taxes we're all subjected to, but could someone so young REALLY be trusted to implement the real-time-lens-flare features we all crave in the next version of AGS?]
I joined the community at the age of 14, everyone was welcoming and helpful. IF i DID get a topic locked, then I didn't complain, i just listened ot what was said and acted upon it. However, if id joined when i was 11, i would have done exaclty what you have done and been outraged.
You may think you are very mature, and amongst 11 year olds you might be, but amongst a community who are mostly about 20, it seems immature.
Fluke, if i was you, id stop acting all hurt as it gets you nowhere, take on board the advice that has been given to you. Noone is askling you to leave the community, we just want you to respect the rules. Andail, or anyone for that matter, has no grudge against you. He explained why he locked your topics. Its his job for him to enforce the rules, and when you treat the rules as "meant to be broken", then he has to fulfill his duties and put a stop to it. I really think you have potential in this community, but before that you have some growing up to do. go out and find out about girls (or boys).
i'm 12, turning 13 in about 3 months. ok i realise that's not the point.
wait, here's a good question. I asked a good question in the Critics Lounge, which was "does this picture i drew look good?''. But Andail locked it because he said i was too young, even though i didn't do anything! All i wanted to know was what improvements can be made. However, some guys DID reply decently, but like i said, Andail just locked it for the reason "i was too young". This is the thread (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?PHPSESSID=4ca4f4c3811517d2ef2ac4718a6cf56aopic=21110.0/) so, read that and tell me how innocent moderators are.
Quote from: Flukeblake on Thu 02/06/2005 05:28:14
i'm 12, turning 13 in about 3 months. ok i realise that's not the point.
wait, here's a good question. I asked a good question in the Critics Lounge, which was "does this picture i drew look good?''. But Andail locked it because he said i was too young, even though i didn't do anything! All i wanted to know was what improvements can be made. However, some guys DID reply decently, but like i said, Andail just locked it for the reason "i was too young". This is the thread (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?PHPSESSID=4ca4f4c3811517d2ef2ac4718a6cf56aopic=21110.0/) so, read that and tell me how innocent moderators are.
dude you're to young I cant believe your parents allow you to use the internet.
- Regards, Teh Troll
Quote from: Flukeblake on Thu 02/06/2005 05:28:14
This is the thread (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?PHPSESSID=4ca4f4c3811517d2ef2ac4718a6cf56aopic=21110.0/) so, read that and tell me how innocent moderators are.
Andail was right to lock it. Your picture sucks and there's not enough bandwidth here to write a long enough reply on how to improve it.
It's true. I'm sorry Fluke but that picture was bad to the point of ridiculous. I wouldn't know where to start. It doesn't mean there's anything wrong with you, but there's just too much wrong with it to be able to crit it properly. All I'd be able to think of is "Go away and practise drawing some more. Learn about drawing techniques, get some books, come back after another year or so of practise".
Plus, it's not like it was for a game or anything, which -most- stuff in the Critic's Lounge is for.
Wow,
First off, I'm surprised that the thread has reached four pages.
But just to be another post to say the same thing everyone else has said:
I agree with everyone here. When I read your posts, I think it wise that it has the magical orange lock on the title. Nothing against you personally but do try to learn. Another thing, a while ago you had "MODERATORS SUCK!!!!!!!!!" as the text under your avatar. Now doing this isn't the best way to react to the locking of the threads. Just stand back and learn. I think I was 15 when I joined (one year ago :P) and I typed as I would to my friends. People commented, I stopped. It's simple Fluke, watch, learn and respect.
QuoteFirst off, I'm surprised that the thread has reached four pages.
Heh. There are many threads in the Popular board, but if this keeps up, I bet this will be the only thread with this kind of content to feature there!
Fluke, we don't usually have some sort of quality limit at the critics, but somewhere we just have to draw a line. This isn't kindergarten.
In your case, I felt that you more or less had lost the right to start new threads, seeing that you never return to one and meet the criticism and advice given to you.
For a starter, I would like you to respond to the issue brought up on the last page; why did you want to become a moderator, if you resent the whole idea with moderating?
Face the music, kid, just this once!
Power To The People! ;)
EDIT: Couldnt help myself
Quote from: Andail on Thu 02/06/2005 08:36:08
For a starter, I would like you to respond to the issue brought up on the last page; why did you want to become a moderator, if you resent the whole idea with moderating?
because at first, i liked the thought of being a moderator.
Direct quote from one of the first 2 Discworld games (I disremember which):
QuoteThis seems like a good cue to end this whole silly conversation.
this thread provokefd me into thinking. Is it possible to limit the posting rights of someone who registers as underage? So, they can post in threads and be an active member of soceity, they can post new threads in the critics lounge, but not in either of the chat boards so that there is a limit to spam threads? or does that sound heinously unfair?
I think that would just result in people lying about their age, or not giving it at all. Besides, we can't assume that EVERYONE under the age of 16 is immature. We'll always have a couple of "rotten eggs" now and then, and I think most of them is handled pretty fair.
I disagree with the decision to lock the picture thread. Yes, the picture was pretty bad but he did say that he was better at drawing on paper. The posting of a second picture looked to be a revision of sorts.
I could understand if he started a new thread in critic's every day or every week and never took advice given him but there was hardly time to act upon said advice before that thread was locked.
I find this thread quite immature and some of his reacts doubly so, but I think a little more opportunity and advice could've been given him concerning his picture. If he didn't make improvements to it, people would lose interest, the thread would fade away. If harsh criticism didn't stop him from continuing, let him give it a shot. The picture looked quite poorly drawn but in a way that someone drawing with a mouse for the first time might've done. Some general practical advice (like basing body parts on shapes and how to use the line tool well) could've improved it, if he were willing to give it a shot.
However, the decision was made. It was made by a moderator. The thread was locked. I, personally, would've just dealt with it and either decided I didn't want to participate in the Critic's Lounge or I would've improved it and posted the results. Can't we just make reasonable attempts not to hold a grudge and let the guy give a shot at redeeming himself (numerous others have needed/taken that opportunity)? If he's still deemed obnoxious, then harsher judgements might be called for. He's nowhere near as bad as some that've come (and gone) in the past couple of years. And there's DG.. DG for Christ-on-Toast's sake! You let him post...
Okay, here's my two cents. If you're under 16, to be fair - you're still a child - what are you doing wasting your time on the internet when you should and could be out with your friends, swimming, smashing things, go-karting etc. If you don't have any friends then that's your own fault, and you're going to be really gutted come 20 when you realise you're no longer a kid, and you've wasted your childhood using AGS. Of course, AGS is great - but there's a time and place for it, and that as the forums states - is when you're 16 or older.
You may not remember this, or care, but once upon a time these forums were known for being the friendliest and most enjoyable of their type to visit, you'd often see people on other forums say "Yes, the AGS forums are brilliant, polite and interesting." That was back in the day when everyman spent at least 10 minutes on their replies. Over the years it's whittled down to IRC style replies, which frankly balls up the entire atmosphere of the forums for me*.
Forums like this, the general general forum - IMO provoke younger people and non-adventure types to visit and post, those people unfortunatley are of no interest to me. What do they bring to the community, really? And then every half year we can expect downtime because of excessive bandwidth issues.
* Please note that yes, I am also guilty of one line replies, but I simply try to NOT post when I don't think it's worth it.
Anyway, I want you to consider my main point. You're a kid. Go be a kid.
Fair enough if this is a hobby for you, but I really wouldn't expect anyone to take you seriously. You are just another "guy making a random game or two", not a person with experience in art, music etc etc that the rest of us might actually consider paying attention to...
Quote from: m0ds on Thu 02/06/2005 14:08:58but I simply try to NOT post when I don't think it's worth it.
To be fair, was that always the case?
It would be wise to sticky this thread, as a banner to all passing newbies ...
Some very wise and true words were spoken today.
Yes, it's always been the case.
EDIT: Okay goddamn! Apart from EZboard! :P
Again, I say there CAN be productive members who are young. They are a rare find, but I don't want to deny opportunities to a mature kid who just wants to learn.
Bt
Maybe, Flukeblake, you should talk to CJ, & your parents, about starting a website called AGS Jr.. It could be for kids like you!!
There are Muppet Babies, Baby Looney Toons, why not baby AGS?
Have your thoughts really heard with forums like:
-Which Old Guy Suxors Most
-Candy that Roxors
-Guess What I Just Found
You could make your OWN games like:
-Stickman Ditches Skool
-Thorn: Notebook Doodle Barbarien
-The Glorious Slave Empire of FlukeBlake Warning: Contains BOOBS :o
You'd work out the details, of course
I tried to avoid replying in this thread, partly because I had other things to do, partly because I wasn't sure on how I felt about the situation. Reading through some of Fluke's posts in other threads as well as this one, it's easy to conclude that Fluke is young and immature. But at looking at some of the posts from some of the older members within this thread, it appears that maturity and age don't necessarily go hand in hand. So Fluke is a young kid, do we really set a good example by insulting him?
In regards to the picture thread that got locked. First, I don't have blame Andail, he was doing what is in his job description. To be the bad guy and enforce the age policy where necessary. That said, though, locking the thread based soley on the fact that your drawing aren't very good in a critics forum seems very hypocritical (I'm not saying this was Andail's reason, but for those using that reason, it offends me that you are so harsh as to even think along those lines). As far as I'm concerned the drawing was better than something I could do at age 21...so age and crappy drawing aren't necessarily synonymous with each other. And if I posted my drawing for critique I'd hope that someone would help me, even enough to say "Practice, practice practice! Here's some good tutorials on drawing for beginners."
Fluke, this one picture thread doesn't justify the other 20 plus threads you've started in the two plus months you've frequented here. My suggestions would be to stop starting threads. I'd even go so far as to suggest you save the threads you've made and look at them in a year or two...and then maybe you'll see our point of view. The problem isn't that I can't see your point of view, I can...I was on the internet when I was your age, and I know what it is to feel ostracized because you are younger...it sucks. However, I don't think you can see our point of view...the best analogy I can think of, is just think about kids that are six years younger than you, and how you'd feel if one of them followed you and your friends around. You could like the kid, but that doesn't mean there won't be moments when the six year gap won't become apparent to you.
So lay low a bit, post rarely, but in the meantime have fun in the real world. The best thing you can do for yourself is reading books. It'll improve your grammar and ability to put thoughts on a page, which can only help you in future forum life.
-MillsJROSS
(DC, we reached the agreement of not being sarcastic with him again to see if he can mature a bit when everything is calmed... Ã, ;))
Blackthorne... I think that MOST of the guys under 16 are productive, but when somebody is noobish the first thing we do is to go to his/her profi too see if he is under 16 and mock him better. Ã, :D
And let me add that (IMO):
"Not all the young guys are noobish, but all the noobish are young"
So, the age limit is like an insurance as I see it.
Quote from: DGMacpheeYour picture sucks and there's not enough bandwidth here to write a long enough reply on how to improve it.
I think that was unnecessary...
Also I second everything MillsJROSS said about the picture thread.
Quote from: YakSpit on Thu 02/06/2005 13:26:43
And there's DG.. DG for Christ-on-Toast's sake! You let him post...
Quiet you! My posts are like candy and sparkles exploding out of your crotch.
Quote from: Pablo on Thu 02/06/2005 17:37:26
Quote from: DGMacpheeYour picture sucks and there's not enough bandwidth here to write a long enough reply on how to improve it.
I think that was unnecessary...
It was neccessary. I was explaining why I thought Andail was right to lock it. I mean, how can you expect someone to give proper criticism when they draw Sonic The Hedgehog with down syndrome? This isn't a finger-painting class. Hell, I'm not the greatest graphic artist in the world (or on my block), but at least the spirtes in my games resemble things.
I'm quite tempted to lock this thread, but it's running so high on irony already that to do so might cause the planet to implode.
...it needed a great effort to keep me from listing all that was wrong - so I kept to the feet - and an even greater effort to keep me from posting RTFM := Though that would have been out of place, very badly...
I think we should now see what Blake comes back to all this with, and then let this matter fade away (unless something new, stop-the-press -class detail appears)... I think after all that reading (and I sincerely hope you read it all, fluke, there were more wise words than one argument thread usually needs) he should have got atleast some sort of image into his head about how to go on from this... And I hope the image is the one that praises community's advantage before induvidual's. Let us not be selfish. ;)
Amazing. A trolling kid starts a web war on moderators... (or Andail personally - as it seems more to me?) and it results 5-page long thread with all kinds of replies and attitudes.
I avoided the thread aswell, just spectating it, because it sounded hilarious to me and I was quite tempted to post some ironic jokes, like "Yes! Let's ban all moderators! let's set age UPPER limit to 16!" or some lame text like that... heh.
About the Sonic pic that seemed to be the last trigger:
Critics Lounge is the part of forums I spend time on the most.
There's waaaay worse art posted sometimes. This Sonic wasn't so bad at all, on artistical side.
I'm not sure, but I think (or sense?) that Andail locked the thread because of same reason ---
No effort!
There's many artists posting their works, some unfortunately have no talent at all - and they still waste much time on trying to draw, and some others are just at the very start of the long way to mastering pixel art. They all try, usually quite hard, despite their n00b-ness.
There's some weird "extra info" that can be caught with critic's eye.
I can easily say if the image is good or bad, but I also can see how much hours and attempts did it take. It's not visible in any pixel but.... sixth sense? Not me, but many critics at CL somehow feel or sense it and usually judge by it. The starter will be helped, the master will be admired and the trolls will be flamed.
But this one was somewhat... I don't know... pointless mouse waste? Like maybe Fluke draws a bit better than random friend at school and just wanted to get attention and brag in forums, making a 5-minute pixel mess? Or something like that.
Also, the moderating request and some other pointless threads...
So, I'm quite sure that FlukeBlake wasn't harrassed in any way by moderators. In matter fact, all this attention and debating from (veteran) members and moderators was undeserved also.
If we'd dance around every troll in such high scale, the forums would become a kindergarten! Boycott would be more fair reaction, IMO.
Then again, saying "i'm offended by ...", "discrimination", "racism" or "gay" in any of gen-gen threads' titles or content make it megapopular anyway :D
Quote from: Flukeblake on Wed 01/06/2005 09:27:03
Well, in the immortal words of Bugs Bunny, that's all folks.
That's Porky Pig, no one is allowed to register on their forum if they can't quote correctly, how did you even pass the sign up test question about quoting media?
Quote from: InCreator on Thu 02/06/2005 22:39:02
Then again, saying "i'm offended by ...",
There are people who are offended by ellipsis (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=ellipsis)?
InCreator, well said. The key word in the critics lounge is effort.
In the rules, it clearly says that the forum is to be used when you can no longer improve it by yourself (given that it is in need of improvement). This means, it must show that you have dedicated a lot of time and effort on the piece yourself. Otherwise it's rather arrogant to expect other people to do it for you.
Are you a bad painter? No problem. Explain to us the process behind your picture, explain why you can't improve it yourself, show sketches and concepts, give us reasons to believe that you have worked on it to a point where you stand clueless.
InCreator speaks of a "sixth sense". I think it's rather fitting. I've been at the critics more than the average Joe - I was also a board moderator there before going global - and in my real life, I'm on my way of becoming an art teacher. I feel rather qualified to make certain decisions when it comes to being encouraging versus saying "don't waste your own, or our, time".
Has the critics lounge ever discriminated "bad" art? I don't think so. Out of a number of internet art forums, it might be among the best for learning beginners.
But:
Do you have a history of arbitrarily starting pointless threads, most in which you manage to break one or more forum rules, and never return to in order to deal with advice and criticism, and instead being rude and impolite?
Then the critics won't accept your trolling more than any other forum.
Just my two cents.
PS: Oh, I also feel pretty tempted to put a period to this discussion - especially since it's been blown out of proportions for a long time - but then I thought: "what the heck, let's vent this forum thoroughly". :)
Quote from: m0ds on Thu 02/06/2005 14:08:58
Anyway, I want you to consider my main point. You're a kid. Go be a kid.
about what m0ds said. I am 11 and i am on AGS but i do play with my friends its just that i live in a country town in Australia and its not that easy just to walk 3km to my nearest mates house(not to mention if I'm allowed to or not) thats why i use AGS coz theres nothing else to do except get bashed by my 17 year old brothers
thats my only problem keep up the good work
Quote from: Pumaman on Thu 02/06/2005 19:40:56
I'm quite tempted to lock this thread, but it's running so high on irony already that to do so might cause the planet to implode.
Quote from: Andail on Fri 03/06/2005 09:42:10
PS: Oh, I also feel pretty tempted to put a period to this discussion - especially since it's been blown out of proportions for a long time - but then I thought: "what the heck, let's vent this forum thoroughly". :)
I'll say: NEBA!1! (L00K!1! 1 K4N N0 5P3LL!1!)
... well, I'll say just thow this thread into the Popular Thread forum, soon it will die. (The purpose of that forum is to make popular threads unpopular, right? :=)
My only real problem with the moderative response in Critics was that it didn't have much in the way of tact. I don't disagree with the decision as I'm sure if he'd refined the picture himself, it would've improved greatly. I'm just wondering why he didn't get a more appropriate response like the ones given in this thread: "The critic's lounge is for improving your creative works after you've made every effort to perfect it yourself (or are stumped as to how to improve it). Here are a couple links to some Loomis lessons or a couple tutorials, or remember that it's meant to be a sprite, meaning ______." If that's too verbose, a simple "I think you're better than the time it seems you put into this, read the forum stickies, refine, repost. Fin."
Everyone's got their own moderation style, but I think that you tend to lose a touch of your patience after dealing with the same phenomenon month in and month out. And while FB dominated the General forum, he was new to the realm of Critics.
Not sure how you guys can look at a picture and magically deduct how much effort has been put into it. Not when the artist is 12. For all we know, he struggled over that horribly misshapen sonic picture all afternoon. However, if I were a moderator I'd still possibly lock the thread, as I don't see what it has to do with art (or music, or scripts or whatnot) that goes into making games. Not even indirectly. It's not even a sprite. But I understand the mods on critique lounge have been lax in enforcing that all pieces are related to games. I wouldn't be so much, but that's another discussion.
It'd be good if ALL forum moderators could actually have a chat together once a week or once a fortnight on a specially designated irc channel or something. Afterall, secret mods change and move things that I'm sure a lot of the other mods aren't aware of - and will never know about either, plus we could all decide on best methods for dealing with these kinda things.
At the moment we are all working induvidually, it might be best to design some kind of "overall moderating procedure" to the boards..?
This place doesn't need all that, I think. Then again, during the early ags period one could say the same thing for moderators altogether. I don't know. I think it would be better for Flukeblake to be banned anyway.
Banned? Thank the Lord, I wasn't 13 when I joined this community.
Well I was, and I haven't had any problems with my age. And I didn't have any problems with all that "noob" thing.
Quote from: Helm on Fri 03/06/2005 16:04:30
I think it would be better for Flukeblake to be banned anyway.
But then Helm, if we did things your way, there'd only be 10 members left here ;)
Quote from: Andail on Fri 03/06/2005 09:42:10
This means, it must show that you have dedicated a lot of time and effort on the piece yourself.
Is this always the case? About time I mean, not effort. Some people work better in a limited time, while they may just practice...task-avoidance if they start a lot earlier than their work is due/expected.
Quote from: DGMacphee on Thu 02/06/2005 19:38:15
I mean, how can you expect someone to give proper criticism when they draw Sonic The Hedgehog with down syndrome? This isn't a finger-painting class. Hell, I'm not the greatest graphic artist in the world (or on my block), but at least the spirtes in my games resemble things.
I'm not saying that it was a good picture or that I'm an expert either in practicing or criticising art, but I find that the critics at theÃ, rennaissance/ impresionists'/ surrealists' / abstract etcÃ, exhibitions must have sounded quite similar to your post...
Quote from: Pumaman on Fri 03/06/2005 17:41:40
But then Helm, if we did things your way, there'd only be 10 members left here ;)
Just don't put a maximum age limit, OK?
Let's avoid the time/effort issue... I think CL must be used if you're in a crossroad while doing a painting (maybe if you're making an sketch for a background and you don't want to go on with a bad composition, so you go to CL and ask for ways to improve it before making all the rest...) or in an alley, and you don't know how to go on.
I don't know if Fluebakake (sp?) was in that situation or not, but I think that the painting had so mistakes that explaining how to improve it step by step should have been messy. So, IMHO, linking him to some loomis tutorials was quite enough. Maybe locking it in spite leaving it die by itself was a little too much, but Andail is a great moderator and making this mess for just an argueable decission is (IMHO again) going too much.
This thread is fun, like a rollercoaster.
(http://home.eircom.net/Images/Feeds/Reuters/UkNews/2004-05-21T174736Z_01_NOOTR_RTRIDSP_2_OUKTP-LIFE-ROLLERCOASTER.jpg)
wheeee!
Now I know why Yufster was so keen that we go to Thorpe Park at Brittens.
It was obvious all along, CJ. You must have noticed.
Wow, I guess I'm lucky. I'm only now sixteen and all the years I've been on these boards, I never got treated like garbage.
Kinda funny though, all this talk about a need for moderators to control spamming and stuff, and here we have the administrator himself joining in on the fun of a large picture of naked rollercoaster riders. :D
People arguing about people arguing with a twelve year old! A twelve year old!!! Unless people are being ironic, spewing 'witty' put-downs at a twelve year old isn't my idea of constructive criticism. Unless they are twelve themselves.Ã, If I wanted to make a kid cry, I'd just take away his Gameboy.
When I say banned, I'm not saying forever. A few months is enough. And if someone is under the age limit but thinks they can hang out anyway, they can lie on their test. If they're mature enough, nobody will notice/care.
I don't think an age limit in necessary. Fluke should be banned on the grounds of being annoying and insulting alone, not because of his age. But if CJ wants an age limit, then it should be enforced.
If Flukeblake were to be banned, it would only do good to him, and 3 years from now he'd probably tell you the same thing. Rejection builds character. Being called on your bulshit builds character. Not being treated with kiddie gloves builds character.
This talk about 'taking away his gameboy' is infinitely more insulting to him than the actual snide remarks people posted in this thread. He wants to be treated like an adult? Fine. Ban him.
(Sigh)...The Gameboy comment wasn't directed at anybody in particular. I was just highlighting the fact that many "mature" people are going out of their way to trade insults with a 12 year old. For what purpose? I can't see any, other than to supposedly put this kid "in his place".
Isn't threatening to ban himÃ, to build character a little like threatening to send him to his room to think about what he's done? If he's a pest, and abusing the forums, then ban him. But it isn't our duty to teach him courtesy and forethought.
Practice your parenting skills elsewhere, people...
oh, sure. ban me, that'll do it. Ã, ::) i wasn't even talking about the 'noob' fact. ( anyway it's spelt newb) . I was talking about the age limitations. And for this thread to go 5 pages long, and have over 100 replies is amazing, in it's own way.
Meh, i think we all learnt something in this thread. God, i know i did. Oh, and by the way, that crack about taking away my gameboy or whatever, i wouldn't care. Gameboys are shit.
Quote from: Flukeblake on Fri 03/06/2005 23:55:10
i wasn't even talking about the 'noob' fact. ( anyway it's spelt newb) .
heh ._.
what, isn't it? oh, and something i forgot to say in my last post, i am not,as you say, an internet "troll", it's just that unlike some people i don't spend 168 hours a week on the internet. I have a life. := but, if you look closely, around 95% of my started threads have had at least 2 replies by me.
ps, while the topic of gameboys has been... implemented in this thread, i was wondering how many Game Boys they've forked in front of us over these years. There was GameBoy, then GameBoy Pocket, Then GameBoy Color, the Poke'mon Gameboys, the Game Boy Advance, the Game Boy Advance Poke'mon Edition, the Game Boy Advance Tribal Edition, the Game Boy Advance SP... i think that's all of 'em.
Flukeblake? Gameboys?
This isn't a playground arguement. You don't have to change the subject because people are making fun of you. ???
Start a new post, you're not banned, & you'll probably never be. This post is 6 pages long because:
-People are bored & this is as good a way to spend time as any
-It's fun to be in a mob
Don't think anyone is going to care about this by next week. By all means, post if you want, but if you're really so worried as to try to make this post shift gears, don't worry about it.
okay, i don't know if you've realised this yet, but when this thread got to about page 3, it became just fun. So... it's just fun. And for the record, i don't expect this to be going on next week.
Quote from: cp on Fri 03/06/2005 18:39:41
Quote from: DGMacphee on Thu 02/06/2005 19:38:15
I mean, how can you expect someone to give proper criticism when they draw Sonic The Hedgehog with down syndrome? This isn't a finger-painting class. Hell, I'm not the greatest graphic artist in the world (or on my block), but at least the spirtes in my games resemble things.
I'm not saying that it was a good picture or that I'm an expert either in practicing or criticising art, but I find that the critics at the rennaissance/ impresionists'/ surrealists' / abstract etc exhibitions must have sounded quite similar to your post...
... except that they're criticising legitimate exhibition art and I'm criticising a crudely-drawn Sonic posted on a forum for adventure game design. There's a big difference.
As Helm said: "I don't see what it has to do with art (or music, or scripts or whatnot) that goes into making games. Not even indirectly. It's not even a sprite."
But I'd like to hear someone explain how Sonic The Retardhog would have been a good sprite for an adventure game. If you can without making me laugh hysterically, I'll buy you a Push Pop. Push it for flavour! Save some for later!
Quote from: Flukeblake on Fri 03/06/2005 23:55:10
Meh, i think we all learnt something in this thread. God, i know i did.
Good to hear.
Quote from: Farlander on Fri 03/06/2005 19:05:35
I don't know if Fluebakake (sp?)
FlueBukake? Is that some sort of new chimney-decorating technique?Ã, Silly spaniard.
Quote from: DGMacphee on Sat 04/06/2005 06:04:58
... except that they're criticising legitimate exhibition art and I'm criticising a crudely-drawn Sonic posted on a forum for adventure game design. There's a big difference.
You're trying to proffer the idea that surrealism is a legitimate form of exhibiting one's own perceptions? Your juevos surely must have enough mass to have their own gravity wells by now.Ã,Â
Edit: Oops.. This was the maturity thread, wasn't it?
Quote from: YakSpit on Sat 04/06/2005 11:12:48
Quote from: Farlander on Fri 03/06/2005 19:05:35
I don't know if Fluebakake (sp?)
FlueBukake? Is that some sort of new chimney-decorating technique? Silly spaniard.
I think he added the (sp?) so that noone would pick on him because he doesn't know how the name is spelled correctly.
Quote from: DGMacphee on Thu 02/06/2005 19:38:15
... except that they're criticising legitimate exhibition art and I'm criticising a crudely-drawn Sonic posted on a forum for adventure game design. There's a big difference.
I don't disagree with your comments about the picture as such...It's just that we've seen older, experienced people drawing much worse and others paying millions for worse "legitimate exhibition art" paintings. At least he drew more than a black dot on white background, which shows some effort(?)
;)
As far as "adventure game design" is concerned, I agree but I 'll add that worse (in my opinion) sprites and bg exist inÃ,Â
commercial games.
man this thread has gone for long. :=
What, you think you're cool now that the thread you started has 6 pages and have to remind after every 5 replies that the thread is long?
take it easy, if anything i want this thread locked or stickied or whatever you call it. I'm just amazed it got so long.
Yak, in my mind a "Flukeblake" easily turns into a bukkake thingie... I think I need professional help. :'(
yeah i mean, hey flukeblake and bukkake are extremely similar. :=
Just the fact that a 12 year-old knows what that is, is disturbing. I think I was still obsessed with Transformers at that age. Then again, we didn't have Teh IntorNet(TM).
And Farl, don't worry about it. From what I hear, all Spanish males are a bit perverse.. muttering phrases like 'Deseo cogerse para conches en la playa.'
Lol! Actually that is a totally normal sentence in "Iberican Spanish"... But not in "latin american Spanish". So we could say it's the latinoamericans who are muttering sentences!
*Note: Yak is talking about a well know joke about the differences between "European" Spanish and "american" Spanish. Whereas in "my" Spanish shells (Conchas) and coger (To catch) mean that, fir Ciro Durán that "concha" will mean "pussy" and that "coger" will mean "fuck".
So, my "I am going to the bitch to catch shells" will sound in Ciro's mind like "I am going to the beach to fuck pussies"
newb, is just that, a newbie, a new person to any community
n00b is someone that acts immature and acts as a general bother on boards; one who exhibits a general lack of caring for forum rules or even tries to break rules on purpose.
that is why my games tagline was 'from n00b to newb', which gave the idea, that he would hopefully learn from his mistakes to become a better forum member.
Quote from: YakSpit on Sat 04/06/2005 11:12:48
Quote from: DGMacphee on Sat 04/06/2005 06:04:58
... except that they're criticising legitimate exhibition art and I'm criticising a crudely-drawn Sonic posted on a forum for adventure game design. There's a big difference.
You're trying to proffer the idea that surrealism is a legitimate form of exhibiting one's own perceptions?
Compared to a polly-wolly crappy drawing of Sonic the Hedgehog? Definately.
But since you bring it up...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Jackson_Pollock_Galaxy.jpg)
QuoteYour juevos surely must have enough mass to have their own gravity wells by now.
And my dick's the Milky Way. Jackson Pollack painted it into the picture above.
QuoteI don't disagree with your comments about the picture as such...It's just that we've seen older, experienced people drawing much worse and others paying millions for worse "legitimate exhibition art" paintings. At least he drew more than a black dot on white background, which shows some effort(?)
I admit anyone can criticise the validity of an abstract artist for painting a piece called "black dot in snowstorm". It's definately open to debate as to whether it's really art or not.
But we're not talking about someone painting a black dot and calling it art. We're not even talking about anyone being abstract.
We're talking about someone drawing a pretty much useless picture (adventure-gamewise) of Sonic the Hedgehog and posting it on an adventure game forum. Comparing the two is meaningless. Mainly because both are created for different purposes.
I mean, consider the purpose of drawing a picture and posting it to an adventure game forum. That indicates the possibility of... lo and behold... using it with an adventure game! If fluke made an adventure game out of his dodgy Sonic and it turned out to be good, I wouldn't be complaining. I've said many times, good adventure games don't need fabbo graphics. I've played great games that, as you say, have bad graphics. But a picture on its own of dodgy Sonic in the Critics Lounge? If it's all on its lonesome self, people are going to call it a POS no matter what. And that's why it's also difficult to compare the pic with commercial adventures. Commercial adventures have other elements that are enjoyable. Meanwhile, a crappy picture of Sonic is, well, a crappy picture of Sonic.
Sure he painted more than a black dot. But I'd expect someone who posts a black dot in the Critic's Lounge would get the same reaction -- locked thread. But if you made a great adventure game with that black dot, then hurrah! In fact, do an adaptation of Chuck Jones' 'The Dot and the Line' (one of the greatest animated short films I've seen).
It's a matter of purpose. And if a mod thinks someone isn't trying hard enough to the extent of purpose in the Critic's Lounge and locks a thread, then that's something people have to live with.
Quote from: YakSpit on Sat 04/06/2005 13:26:38
Just the fact that a 12 year-old knows what that is, is disturbing.Ã, I think I was still obsessed with Transformers at that age.Ã, Then again, we didn't have Teh IntorNet(TM).
I don't know what it is... And I've been told I have a twisted mind ::)
Quote from: Ishmael on Sun 05/06/2005 11:55:48
Quote from: YakSpit on Sat 04/06/2005 13:26:38
Just the fact that a 12 year-old knows what that is, is disturbing.Ã, I think I was still obsessed with Transformers at that age.Ã, Then again, we didn't have Teh IntorNet(TM).
I don't know what it is... And I've been told I have a twisted mind ::)
<sigh> You're better off not knowing this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukkake), I think.
Quote from: WikipediaWhen the term bukkake is used in Japan, it usually refers to a method of preparing noodles and not the sexual act. (Also spelled bookaki)
Next time I go to a Japanese restaurant, I'm getting me some bukkake noodles!
I'll prepare some bukkake for you, DG. ;)
Didnt read all, but can I just say that this is the nicest, most friendly forum I've ever been too because of the rules set, it means idiots when they arise learn their lessons quick or just leave. For example, on the Garrys Half Life 2 Mod Forums, you can get banned for missing a capital letter or using "u","ur" etc.
I've been here since I was 14/15 and I've never been persecuted for anything I've done because of my age.
So to the dude who started this, wait a while, a lot of people on here take pride that the forum is a respectable and friendly place. You just need to show respect back.
"Respect people, and they will respect you back, treat them greatly and they will show themselves to be great"
Quote from: Cluey on Tue 07/06/2005 11:36:35
For example, on the Garrys Half Life 2 Mod Forums, you can get banned for missing a capital letter or using "u","ur" etc.
Garry's mod has such a large fanbase, and it's the worst kind of fanbase on top of that: FPS players. I like their banning system. It's not like people aren't warned before signing up. http://www.garry.tv/img/hidden_warning.jpg "We don't want another steampowered/gamefaq's on our hands!"
What, this thread is still alive? :P The issue is solved.