Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory 2005

[remixor]

And back to the thread: I also disagree with changing the nationality of Batman. Was he perhaps british in the comics? I never read them. But I always thought he was supposed to be one of those patriotic american superheroes.... Hmmm...

I'm not an enormous follower of Batman comics, but I sure as hell know he wasn't British, nor was he particularly patriotic.  He's sort of the antithesis to the classic American superhero (ie, Superman), which is part of the appeal of the character to me.

[Meowster]

In a strict way, Ireland IS part of Britain.

"Britain" classically refers to all the islands on that side of the channel.

As for being of British nationality, the Irish, being celts, are infinitely more British than the English.

The issue got confused because of the practice of calling The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland [later just Northern Ireland] "Britain" by itself. After all, in the 19th and 20th century it was all of Britain, even though in it's title it only refered to Great Britain, which is to say the largest island, with England/Scotland/Wales. It's roughly similar to the whole USA/America/Estados Unidense debate which you wouldn't have read.

So the term "Britain" gets confused with the government of westminster, and the title become shunned by Irish republicans.


In all truth, were you truly a patriotic lass of Eire, you would decry the fashion in which lowly anglo saxon dogs have taken the title of the land of the celts.

I'm not patriotic.

Just like the meaning of the word 'gay', things change. I'm sure very few people would, without a lot of prior consideration, call someone gay in exchange for the word 'happy'.  Similarly, very few people would call the Irish 'British' with the intent of meaning it in classic terms. Quite frankly, anybody who's mind is stuck in classic times for the present day world is an idiot.

The fact is, people are not referring to Ireland as part of Britain out of respect for the true identity of Britain. It's merely because they don't know any better. I was mentioning it so people had no excuse to not know better, so next time I could point fingers at them and laugh at them and call them stupid.

Ireland is geographically part of the British Isles. It is not British except by classical terms.

You can confuse matters more by calling Ireland British because of the way things were hundreds of years ago, if you want. But then I'll just further complicate things by calling you extremely gay.

[Las Naranjas]

Meow!

[DGMacphee]

Thems fightin' words!

[Jockstrap]

I know very well that Cillian Murphy and Liam Neeson are Irish. I was just referring to Britain as a whole (England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales). And about the Batman being British, here's a quote from Variety:

Fans fearing that the new Batman has taken his passport and moved across the pond shouldn't fret, however. Nolan may be a fan of Bond, and the new installment may be made up of a mostly British cast, crew and locations, but Batman's remaining American.

So there.

[Meowster]

Liam Neeson is from Northern Ireland. I didn't mention him because he it is debatable (?) that he is English.

Just in case anybody thought I didn't recognise the awesome Liam Neeson.

[remixor]

Good God, I hope so.

EDIT: er, when I posted this message, Yufster hadn't replied yet.  I was referring to Moneurto's post, although I guess it's nice that Liam Neeson is from Northern Ireland.

[Darth Mandarb]

Speaking of Batman ... did you guys know they're remaking Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory?  And Johnny Depp is going to star!!

Sorry ...

Just couldn't resist

~ d

[Meowster]

I posted it prematurely.

Should I wash my hair daily? While it does remain smelling sweetly of coconut and vanilla, perhaps it dries my hair also?

[Jockstrap]

Not to be an annoying little shit (too late) but it's actually called Charlie and the Chocolate Factory since that's what the original book was called.

Sorry everyone, I'll shut up now....

[DGMacphee]

I know very well that Cillian Murphy and Liam Neeson are Irish. I was just referring to Britain as a whole (England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales). And about the Batman being British, here's a quote from Variety:

Fans fearing that the new Batman has taken his passport and moved across the pond shouldn't fret, however. Nolan may be a fan of Bond, and the new installment may be made up of a mostly British cast, crew and locations, but Batman's remaining American.

So there.

Variety is full of lies.

And they're owned by communists.

[Evil]

I just saw this tonight. Very weird, I must say. The style of the movie was very much so different then the first. There was a larger focus on the characters and their development rather then just on the candy, which resulted from a big change from the origional.

Johnny Deep's character was great. He was less intellegent and more silly. My girlfriend and her friends all though he was still hot though.

This move was very Burton. The music reflected all of his work. At one point I swore they used the same song as one from NBC. Speaking of which, the preview for Corpse Bride looked very good.

All in all, a very good show. I found myself with anxiety because they don't go to the factory until late in the movie. I just wanted it to get there and over with. The origional was the same way, but I actually felt bored.

[auhsor]

Sounds good to me. I saw the trailer for it, and Johnny looks very female. I don't know if that translates over to the movie too, but it creeped me out a little.

Oh and I am looking forward to seeing this. I did like the book and the other movie, so it will be nice to compare them.

[BerserkerTails]

I loved the new version of the movie. In my opinion, is much more like the book, and captured the style of the book much better. Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka was just too grand, he knew how to deal with children. Yet in the book, and in Tim Burton/Johnny Depp's interpretation of the role, Willy Wonka is very much a hermit.

[Anarcho]

Maybe you all were just talking about the actors, but the original film was shot in Bavaria, Germany.  Although it was SUPPOSED to be in America, at least according to the script...which was funny because it was really obvious that it was in Germany---at least for someone from there or who has lived there. 

Anyway, maybe you guys were talking about something completely different.

[LGM]

Last I checked, America doesn't use big shiney gold coins as a everyday currency..

But yes, it's obvious that it's not shot where it was suppposed to be.

[monkey0506]

I was born in Germany.  But we moved shortly after, so I can't say that I remember much of anything of it.  But I didn't notice! LOL!  But I did love the original version.  And I want to see the Johnny Depp Version...

[Anarcho]

No, that's the whole thing.  They say that it's in Pittsburgh or some pennsylvania town if I remember correctly, but every other aspect of the movie points to it being in Europe.

[Blackthorne]

I saw the film today.

Typical steaming pile of Tim Burton shit.  Steaming, over-indulgent shit.

Johnny Depp, however, played his role well.
Kids - great.

Hamfisted artistic senitment and morality - farkin' shit.


Bt

[LGM]

I don't think I've ever seen a Burton film with shit in it.

You must be thinking of Cliff Burton

Easy mistake. (Though he is rather dead)