Wintermute

Mnemonic · Mon 28/01/2008 17:23:44

Quote from: Pumaman on Fri 25/01/2008 21:59:55
But if AGS and Wintermute had identical feature sets, then there'd be no point having two seperate applications, and we'd may as well merge them into WinterAGS. There are some things that Wintermute does better and some things that AGS does better, and as long as both systems are always striving to improve then at the end of the day that benefits everyone.

However, with every new release the systems are getting more and more similar to each other (which is logical, considering we have basically the same goals). My theory is, that if we both had infinite time and resources, we'd end up with exactly the same product

Congrats on AGS 3.0 release, btw!

Pumaman · Mon 28/01/2008 20:52:49

Hey Mnemonic, good to see you over here!

Quote from: Mnemonic on Mon 28/01/2008 17:23:44
However, with every new release the systems are getting more and more similar to each other (which is logical, considering we have basically the same goals). My theory is, that if we both had infinite time and resources, we'd end up with exactly the same product

Hehe yes, two identical choices with different names. Maybe we should go into politics.

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Congrats on AGS 3.0 release, btw!

Thanks!

space boy · Mon 28/01/2008 21:35:39

Who's that Mnemonic guy?

MrColossal · Mon 28/01/2008 22:24:37

Keanu Reeves, obviously..

Moresco · Mon 28/01/2008 23:30:26

Quote from: MrColossal on Mon 28/01/2008 22:24:37
Keanu Reeves, obviously..

dude, we're surfers! .... heh.

It'd be cool, if they're both heading in the same direction and both have the same goals etc, if every now and then the coders would assist each other on various problems they might run into. Maybe they do that already? I don't know, something to bring us all together, build one big happy, adventure gaming family. ;]

Ghost · Tue 29/01/2008 00:10:38

Would Lassie be the family's pet then, ready to save kids from remote forest fires?

Rui 'Trovatore' Pires · Tue 29/01/2008 00:13:43

I fear only for BlueCup. She'll feel so very lonesome if WME doesn't have someone for her to play with.

space boy · Tue 29/01/2008 13:29:45

This whole topic is pointless. When I was deciding which engine to use I just flipped a coin.

Ubel · Tue 29/01/2008 13:46:47

I'd be using Wintermute right now if it had been listed above AGS in the magazine from which I read about them. It's all the fault of the alphabethical order.

Tuomas · Tue 29/01/2008 14:08:16

I spent several hours googling back in year 200x? and came across AGS. Wintermute... I first heard about it during the 1st wintermeet/april fools thing or what ever.

Buckethead · Tue 29/01/2008 14:12:29

I first heared about wintermute when this topic was posted.

woodz · Tue 29/01/2008 15:58:23

Quote from: space boy on Mon 28/01/2008 21:35:39
Who's that Mnemonic guy?

Mnemonic is the god like person Wintermute users worship, the WM version of CJ really but without the ritual beating and soaking of wounds in freezing salt water

Layabout · Wed 30/01/2008 01:02:49

Just goes to show the wintermute developer lurks here, 'absorbs' ideas and puts it into his engine. No offense to you mnemonic. Just taking the piss. I think wintermute has far greater 2.5d capabilities than ags, since we have to us a plugin to get that...

And that wasn't a subtle hint CJ.

Dualnames · Wed 30/01/2008 01:04:48

I don;t recall anyone minding to create those plugins..

voh · Wed 30/01/2008 03:17:15

Quote from: Snarky on Sat 26/01/2008 21:31:25
Quote from: ProgZmax on Sat 26/01/2008 14:17:49
Who has been slamming Wintermute specifically, Snarky? I've seen people voice their opinions that they prefer one to another, or that they found wintermute difficult to use in comparison, but I haven't seen anyone say it's a horrible engine that no one should use.

Well, voh for one.

I would like to disagree staunchly that my post concerning WME's and AGS' usability was 'slamming' in any way, shape or form. Let me repeat what I posted.

QuoteI've tried wintermute and its biggest difference to AGS was, to me, that it made game making a hassle, whereas AGS makes it fun somehow. I don't know why, but I enjoy tinkering with AGS, I despised tinkering with Wintermute.

Pay close attention to the "to me", "I don't know why", "I enjoy" and "I despised".

I was stating my personal opinion based on my own personal experience. If I were 'slamming' WME, so to speak, I would be presenting these commentaries as fact. I would have omitted the safety catches (to me, etc.) and simply stated that "AGS is enjoyable to work with, while WME is despicable to work with".

Mnemonic · Wed 30/01/2008 07:24:26

Quote from: Layabout on Wed 30/01/2008 01:02:49
Just goes to show the wintermute developer lurks here, 'absorbs' ideas and puts it into his engine. No offense to you mnemonic. Just taking the piss. I think wintermute has far greater 2.5d capabilities than ags, since we have to us a plugin to get that...

I can assure you WME users are supplying me with enough ideas for several lifetimes, no need to "absorb" anything elsewhere

But I admit I'm visiting this forum sometimes (as well as many other adventure-related forums) simply because I love adventure games and I love game development, and AGS forum is an interesting place connecting both. (even though some people here seem to hate me and my work with passion

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Quote from: Pablo on Tue 29/01/2008 13:46:47
I'd be using Wintermute right now if it had been listed above AGS in the magazine from which I read about them. It's all the fault of the alphabethical order.

Darn, remind me to rename WME to something like "Absolutely Awesome Adventure Creator", that should take care of alphabetical order

auriond · Wed 30/01/2008 07:39:02

Thanks for replying Mnemonic! I'm sure people don't hate you... they can't hate what they don't know

Do what someone suggested you do for naming games to beat the alphabetical list... name them starting with numbers. 1111 should do it

though no one would know what your program is for!

Radiant · Wed 30/01/2008 10:19:31

Quote from: Pablo on Tue 29/01/2008 13:46:47
I'd be using Wintermute right now if it had been listed above AGS in the magazine from which I read about them. It's all the fault of the alphabethical order.

So that is why nobody uses BHT...

Layabout · Wed 30/01/2008 13:08:22

Quote from: Mnemonic on Wed 30/01/2008 07:24:26

But I admit I'm visiting this forum sometimes (as well as many other adventure-related forums) simply because I love adventure games and I love game development, and AGS forum is an interesting place connecting both. (even though some people here seem to hate me and my work with passion )

And I admit to going to the Wintermute site and forums.

And as CJ said, people have their preferences. The only reason I use ags is because I have been in the community for about 7 years, so I am a loyal agser. Oh and it is a great engine of coarse.

Pumaman · Wed 30/01/2008 18:56:43

Quote from: Mnemonic on Wed 30/01/2008 07:24:26
(even though some people here seem to hate me and my work with passion )

Oh don't mind them, they're just the AGS Mafia. I pay them protection money, and in exchange they keenly leap to attack anything that's not AGS. They once killed my dog because it got too near to my computer -- but I don't blame them, they were only doing their job.

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Ghost