Someone ever told you something that you just KNOW isn't correct? I'm not talking about lies, but they state a fact or comment and it just angers you because you know they're wrong?
Well, let's see what's bugging you.
For example, in IRC the other week, someone said, "The theme to Back to the Future is one of John Williams' finest."
YOU'RE WRONG! WRONG WRONG WRONG MOFO. Williams had nothing to do with any of the BttF movies. The music was composed by Alan Silvestri.
There. Anyone else? Doesn't have to be from IRC. Could be something you're mum said :p Perhaps we'll learn something from this too, muha!
::)
m0ds
I can never remember the BttF theme.
Which is odd because I'm usually able to remember most music and hum it in an irritating fashion.
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Yup...
Well, it pisses me off, when people tell me that poker is gambling. And that poker is about luck.
Because THEY ARE WRONG! I'm a poker player, and I tell them ofcourse that there is skill involved and that's it's not just about luck. THAT PISSES ME OFF!!! I read 4 books about poker, and they haven't and they think they can tell me what's right... AAARRGGGHH!!!
I was sittin' in Detroit Metro airport one time.
There was this fellow chattin' it up with a woman sittin' next to me.
This fellow was rather loquacious and just wouldn't shut up.
He told her, "Before I die I want to see all 7 of the great wonders of the ancient world. The Taj Mahal, The Great Wall of China, The pyramids" (can't remember the other ones he said), then he says, "I can't remember the last one ..." paused for a second, "Oh, the grand canyon"
I almost jumped up and screamed, "You FUC#$NG MORON!!!" but of course I just remained silent and laughed at his idiocy inside. I think he just got his wonders mixed up ... but still.
He named 7 things (all of which are marvelous ... don't get me wrong) but of the seven he named only 1 was actually in the list of 'Ancient' wonders.
Oh well ... he seemed a nice enough fellow.
The 7 Wonders of the Ancient World:
- The Great Pyramid of Giza
- The Hanging Gardens of Babylon
- The Statue of Zeus at Olympia
- The Temple of Artemis at Ephesus
- The Mausoleum at Halicarnassus
- The Colossus of Rhodes
- The Lighthouse of Alexandria
Now something tells me he'd have a hard time seeing most of these things?
lol... actually he'd only travel to Egypt... the pyramids are the only standing 'Ancient' Wonder these days... he'd have to play FoA to see something else ;) (Sorry, it was stronger than me :P)
It makes me mad when people think that everyone who has a skateboard should be able to do tricks on command. You think everyone who skateboards just does it to look cool and do tricks for your amusement?! EAT SHIT!!
Ok, that's one, and President Bush, my roomate is going to vote for him and can't give any freakin' good reason why.. "He just looks good, like a president. Democrats ruin the economy (???). He's smart." WTF??? YOU'RE WRONG BITCH!
Minimi: I dunno, I'd say poker is half-gambling at least. I mean, it doesn't matter how much skill you have, if you get a useless hand you're screwed!
Just on gambling, "Black Jack" as far as odds in your favour is the only smart game to play, except you're probably still smarter to save your money.
I hate it when people think they can beat the casino, eventually you will always lose (unless you know some tricks, but if you get too good you will get kicked out. They consider clever people cheaters yet they cheat everyone. Best to either own a casino or stay the hell out [unless you just go once for a bit of fun at little cost])
but some dickheads think they'll just win, and brag that they always do, (those people just don't mention when they lose big time)
The heading of this topic comes up a lot in real life and causes arguments between friends and family that can multiply into serious things like divorce. If only people could sometimes admit when they're wrong.
I got an autistic sidekick, so I can beat them.
Yeah, definately.
We're gonna be counting cards -- Definately counting cards.
But I'm also a really good driver.
Sometimes Dad lets me drive along the driveway.
/me slaps his head a couple of times, dances with Naranjas and wins an Oscar.
Well, the one thing that irritates me when people get their facts wrong, is in the music world.
It bugs me when people give me false news, like "(this guy) died." Or "(this band) split up/is releasing a new album." When you know for a fact that it's not true.
Another thing about music that irritates me is labeling. Why do people have to pick this shit apart? I tell them, "just shut yer yap and listen... you're gonna go deaf one day, and you'll be sorry you wasted all your time picking music apart and labeling it instead of just listening to it and enjoying what it's worth". What the hell happened to the good old days of Led Zepplin, when it was rock and roll or is wasn't? Nowadays you got you alternative (a very vague classification, seems like anything could fit in here), punk, emo, goth, trance, dance, hip hop, r&b... and there is like 50 bazillion different types of metal; rap metal, heavy metal, black metal, death metal, funk metal, vampiric metal, NU-METAL....
Which brings me to my final point. I don't like how every new metal band that comes out these days is considered Nu-Metal.
I remember a year or so ago, Dave Williams, the lead singer for Drowning Pool, died on the Ozzfest tour. I was reading a post in a forum about his death... some punk wrote, "I'm glad he's dead, it's one less crappy Nu-metal band."
The hell is he talking about? Drowning pool wasn't Nu-metal... Nu-metal was the term coined to describe Korn's musical sound. By definition, Nu-metal is "heavy metal blended with rap and hip hop influences". In other words, Limp Bizkit, (hed) p.e., and various other bands would be considered Nu-metal, because of their rap-like vocals/nature.
Not to mention it wasn't very cool to say, "I'm glad this guy is dead...", but anyway...
I hate it when people get stuff like this wrong. Music is what makes the world go round... it's no wonder the world feels so segregated and shallow these days.
Quote from: Trapezoid on Wed 21/01/2004 03:19:25
Minimi: I dunno, I'd say poker is half-gambling at least. I mean, it doesn't matter how much skill you have, if you get a useless hand you're screwed!
Not true! There are far more elements involved. Practically you can win the hand, with shit cards. That is called semi-bluffing. Say you play against 2 other players in a holdem game, and they checked at the turn, and there lyes 9h 10h Qs 3h. You could bet really high, wich makes your opponents think you have the flush of hearts. You might say now, what if you your opponent does have the flush? Well here is getting the reading hands part involved. There are long formula's for reading hands, and when you play poker in real (not online wich im doing), then you can also read the hand by noticing the behavior of the player.
Ofcourse there is a small part of "luck" involved, but saying your screwed with a useless hand is just nonsence!
Quote from: Minimi on Tue 20/01/2004 23:12:32
Well, it pisses me off, when people tell me that poker is gambling. And that poker is about luck.
Because THEY ARE WRONG! I'm a poker player, and I tell them ofcourse that there is skill involved and that's it's not just about luck. THAT PISSES ME OFF!!! I read 4 books about poker, and they haven't and they think they can tell me what's right... AAARRGGGHH!!!
It can´ be luck, as, from an initial group or 400 players, every year the same 4 or 5 guys reach the final of the Poker World Series in Las Vegas.
Oh, and I might as well mention to Darth that those are only the most commonly listed 7 wonders. It was a fad amongst the ancients to go round making lists of the greatest 7 wonders, much as it is a habit in modern society to make top 10 lists of films, songs, albums and adventure games.
That said, the "wrong" ones you cite either hadn't been built yet, or were unknown to the mediterraneans.
I get that feeling a lot from one of my friends. He's one of the few guys who's interested in serious discussion, like debates and such, but he just keeps going "you're wrong, I'm right".
Here's a situation I had a couple of weeks ago. I showed my friends (that guy being one of them) a digital painting made by Craig Mullins, who I respect a lot. He's definitely one of the most skillful artists around these days, in my opinion. If anyone has ever checked Sijun forums, you'll see that I'm not the only one thinking that way.
Here's the image (http://goodbrush.com/ftp/sk2b.jpg) I'm talking about, if anyone wants to agree or disagree with me. :)
The first response is "what's so good about that?" The next one was "he probably used filters on that". I was completely stunned. Then he goes "you probably don't even know what can be done with filters." It was no use pointing out the perspective, composition and the wonderful hues. Funny how I got so angry over such a minor issue. It's just the feeling of how can anyone be SO WRONG. Added to the fact that the guy knows very little about art. I kind of regret for being so supportive for his art. It obviously was only encouraging him to believe he's good at art, instead of motivate working harder. Although I'm not going to make him feel bad by being destructively critical about his art experiments in the future either, I might recommend a reality check.
It's just that when someone who really knows basically nothing about art starts telling me what the painting is and isn't... That's a pissed of Pessi, something you don't see that often.
Something I probably shouldn't say but just have to - I get this same feeling everytime I hear someone praise the Kill Bill movie. When they start going on about style and whatever... :-X I haven't heard anyone give good enough reasons to prove me that they would actually respect the movie for something else than Tarantino. Actually, when I told my older brother that I didn't really like the movie, he responded "do you know who directed that movie?" The friend I was talking about earlier said the movie had ingenious camera angles etc. When I asked him to show me one, he just said that you'd need an expert on that field. RIGHT. Not that Tarantio wasn't an amzing director but some criticism wouldn't be bad once in a while. I totally agreed with Eric on the Kill Bill thread, as frustrating as it was.
But then again, who's right, who's wrong? They enjoyed the movie, I didn't. They win. Besides, when it comes to movies it's more of a matter of opinion. I've just seen too much unreasoned praise that really goes beyond anything I've seen before.
I hope I'm not making this another Kill Bill thread. :-\ If anyone wants to prove me wrong (which would be great) - PM me. Otherwise, rant on! :)
Can you ask him what filters i need to make that? :P
Craig is one hell of a painter, I highly doubt he'd resort to any cheap effects. One example: He's got a painting of the Palace of Fine Arts in San Francisco. Here. (http://www.goodbrush.com/gallery/albums/sketches/PALACE.jpg) He hasn't painted in the ultra-fine details, or even kept everything in happy straight little lines but the lighting, shadows and splashes of color precisely mimic the building itself. A couple people commented that they thought it might be the Palace of Fine Arts but I had no doubt. He's captured it beautifully, even the "mood."
Exactly! And no filter could make those colors and shapes. If one hasn't tried it out, I suppose it's pretty hard to appreciate it, I guess. But hey, if he can do it with a filter - more power to him!
As for the filter, he thought it could have been some kind of a scratch filter. I don't know, beats me. He wasn't that willing to try the filter out. ;)
Anyway, it was really annoying at the time but after the rant it's all good. I won't try to argue with him about art again! :)
My mum pisses me off sometimes (I probably shouldn't say that... sorry mum), because of her 'nutrition' ideas.
I'm fairly fit and healthy, but I stick to a low-carb diet for various reasons. My mum has just recently decided that she'll go on a health kick too, but she's on a different diet (your average 'eat what you want as long as it's not crap' diet), and says that she's got more of a clue than me because she went to a dietician 9 years ago who told her to eat more oat-bran to lower her cholesterol!!
I mean, power to her, for sure, but she has done absolutely NO research on my side of the coin (I'm not doing a ridiculously low carb diet) and just assumes she's better because she saw a certified doctor 9 years ago. I've given up talking to her about it, because it always ends up with her getting upset because she thinks I want to lose weight to become anorexic... (I'm 72kg.... get real)
i would LOVE to take her to see a doctor and hear him tell her that she's full of crap. It's an awful thing to say about my mother, I know, but if she would just GET OVER IT!!! *sigh*
I'm always correcting people when it comes to the use of words.
So:
Minimi, unless the outcome of a game of poker is can be determined before it is played, then to put money on a hand is gambling. There is skill involved in football, but if I bet on a match I'm still gambling.
I just don't know how someone could make such a maleficious argument.
you're always correcting people's use of words AND YET:
"unless the outcome of a game of poker is can be determined before it is played..."
is can be determined? what?
It would be dishonest of me to edit my previous post sooo...
I'm stealing the C from your name aptain Mostly...
And perhaps I should read over my posts more thoroughly :-[.
While I'm in the mood:
"Music is what makes the world go round... it's no wonder the world feels so segregated and shallow these days"
On the most obvious level, music ISN'T what makes the world go round, but more importantly: The world DOESN'T feel shallow these days. People have just as much depth of character, and nature is still as utterly mind-boggling, and there is still as much to see and learn as there has ever been.
The way people state their personal view of the world as though it was indesputable fact bugs me a lot.
On an un-related note, when people talk about "the machine" it bugs me. It's only THEIR choice to view the world a certain way that produces the machine. If they didn't chose to think of it as one, it wouldn't be one, because it ISN'T one.
ALSO: The suggestion that the world feels segregated "these days" is preposterous. The world is no more segregated now than it's ever been, and in fact, it's pretty safe to say that there's a lot LESS segregation now than in recent history.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND: It IS irritating how people have to constantly make up new definitions for every single slight defference in bands' "sounds".
I like the way HMV only recognises about 5 different types of music. "Dance", "classical", "Country", "Jazz" and "Rock n' Pop" for everything else. Although I did notice they had a "metal" section last time I was in there, but I got the impression this was only to look like they were hip. They didn't really know what it meant.
I don't agree with grouping Rock and Pop at all.
One really annoying thing that bugged me on GarageBand.com was this moron who put his techno music in the Rock section, "Because it's a broad category and I felt it belonged there." Nevermind that there was a techno category specifically for that.
If you want to get me all boiling and red, then football is the subject. I just hate it when blatant fools who don't know shit about football start arguing about the subject. The problem is that since they are so clueless, they will never understand they are wrong.
I also hate comments about great movies such as "it sucks". A person who can take a movie such as "The Godfather" and say "beh, that's a piece of trash" has no right to live. :P I mean, I have never called any quality movie I didn't like "trash". There's a big difference between not liking a movie, and thinking that it stinks. Disliking a truly great movie is valid, thinking that it's bad proves one to be an idiot.
Most of my classmates blab all the time about nonsense.
One woman said "I don't understand the fuzz about chemicals. Why are people so terrified of chemicals? They're not so dangerous after all."
But over-hearing this, I took it pretty calmly. If it results in the most moronic part of my class starting to experiment with acids or whatnot, I don't really care.
Another girl, who's like the most immature little sorry excuse for the female gender ever (she's fresh from high school, but looks like twelve) said: "I'm not so affraid of being raped, cause I think I'm so tall that most guys would think twice before attacking me."
As she's like under average height, and with the constitution of a noodle, I adviced her calmly to still be careful.
I hate common myths, like "the Great Wall of China is the only man-made object visible from space," and "You only use 10% of your brain,", "Camels store water in their humps," etc.
Also, Sherlock Holmes never said "Elementary, my dear Watson," except in movies.
But most disturbing of all, is the misuse of the word GOOD. "Did you sleep good?" "NO! I slept WELL!"
And on that note Ali, stockbrokers are also gamblers. Like punters on sports and the ponies, they can study form etc., but no-one knows what way the stock will move until it does.
However, unlike other proffessional gamblers, they seem to seek respect and legitimacy for their profession.
Quote from: Redwall on Wed 21/01/2004 21:28:27
I hate common myths, like "the Great Wall of China is the only man-made object visible from space,"
As disturbing as I find this - the mere notion that something just a few yards thick should be more visible than any other big building (stadium, skyscraper, pool, you name it) just because it's terribly long is appaling to me - I keep getting this confirmed by reliable sources. Sad but true.
The misconception is that it should be visible from the moon; it can only be seen just where space as a definition begins, which isn't that far beyond the stratosphere or whatever lies outmost.
Another thing that annoys me is when people start arguing incorectly about complete rubbish!! Like people who argue for hours over whether or not the Telletubbies are secretly talking in dutch (or any foreign language, really) so they can tell kids to go and murder their neighbours without their parents realising. It made me laugh, yes, but if also made me angry that people can actually argue about that kind of thing. What happened to arguing about the good old things, like Philosophy and the Meaning of Life, and which Cereals taste better??
Oooh..... and those silly buggers who try to turn everything into a government conspiracy. I find them fascinating, definitely, and some of them could even be true (SOME, I say, like the landing on the moon, which I'm not really decided on), but to act as though you know FOR A CERTAINTY is just...... gay! Some of my friends are like "oh, what the hell? Of COURSE they landed on the moon! Like, duh! Why would they lie?" Not that there was any competition to beat the Russians to it, or anything. And they don't know how to admit that maybe, just MAYBE they don't have a clue what they're crapping on about, and everything is just subjective and they're being very unwise to try and change people's opinions based on their own strangely formed ideas.
Wow!! I love this thread. I feel so much better after posting. It's like screaming at someone in the knowledge that they're not going to scream back... ;D
Um, about the moon thing: none of the arguments used by those who believe it was a hoax hold any water. Seriously. I can explain in more detail if you want. List the ones you're tempted to believe in if you do.
If that's not enough for you: the Russians believed it, you know. Never protested. If there was a fierce enough competition for the US to lie, you can be sure that they'd have pounced on any hint that it wasn't the truth.
If you're looking for US government conspiracies, look elsewhere. Nothing to be found on the moon.
Least of all any landing vehicles, footprints or flags, seeing as how the moon landing was obviously all a hoax perpitrated by the US government in conjunction with the free masons.
There's this movie reviewer in Brisbane called Des Partridge.
I like his reviews, but he gets his facts wrong every now and then.
Quote from: Andail on Wed 21/01/2004 22:16:28
Quote from: Redwall on Wed 21/01/2004 21:28:27
I hate common myths, like "the Great Wall of China is the only man-made object visible from space,"
As disturbing as I find this - the mere notion that something just a few yards thick should be more visible than any other big building (stadium, skyscraper, pool, you name it) just because it's terribly long is appaling to me - I keep getting this confirmed by reliable sources. Sad but true.
The misconception is that it should be visible from the moon; it can only be seen just where space as a definition begins, which isn't that far beyond the stratosphere or whatever lies outmost.
Yes, it's visible where space begins, but other objects are as well. At least that's what
my sources tell me. ;)
Quote from: Trapezoid on Wed 21/01/2004 03:19:25
Minimi: I dunno, I'd say poker is half-gambling at least. I mean, it doesn't matter how much skill you have, if you get a useless hand you're screwed!
Not really, if you can bluff. Most of the winnings I got form poker (I played it a lot in my free time on cadet annual camp, we played for candy for lack of money) I got from bluffing shamelessly, and a large par tof the rest I got foiling bad bluffs. It's skill, judgement, and an ability to hold your face in a permanent grin.
The flags, vehicles, and footprints are only going to be visible with a REALLY damn good telescope, and they put mirrors up there that we can reflect back with lasers. The reason you can't see stars is for the same reason you can't on earth in the daytime.. the moon is bright.
Speaking of music... Being a music major, one thing I hear a lot is the fallacy that "Music is the/a universal language." That's a big bunch of bullshit (hooray alliteration) and I'm tired of explaining why.
I thought maths was more of a universal language than music as such.
Then again, music is based on maths in a lot of ways.
Math is certainly much more of a universal language than music is, at least conceptually.
I don't like it when people say that something is "gay" (for example, if someone were to say that "claiming to know something for a certainty is gay" or some such) even though the characteristic they're describing is very rarely something specific to homosexuals (and I only mean this with regards to when people use the word "gay" to mean "homosexual")
Slightly MORE irritating is when things that are badly made or designed or just plain un-fashionable are rendered "gay" in a similar way.
I remember (back in the old days) being in school, and hearing someone spend basically an entire hour proclaiming that Visual Dbase was "Mega gay!" and "So fucking GAY!" and "Such a gay boy!"
Mind you, I guess VDb IS something of a sexual predator.
Quote from: DGMacphee on Wed 21/01/2004 23:44:46
There's this movie reviewer in Brisbane called Des Partridge.
I like his reviews, but he gets his facts wrong every now and then.
Man, that's an admirable attitude, DG! :)
QuoteI remember (back in the old days) being in school, and hearing someone spend basically an entire hour proclaiming that Visual Dbase was "Mega gay!" and "So fucking GAY!" and "Such a gay boy!"
Mind you, I guess VDb IS something of a sexual predator.
I've heard fanatical religious groups say they don't hate Visual Dbasers; they just hate VDb. ;D
Pessi: I figure if he's the only person I've got to complain about being wrong, I'm doing well.
They recently carried out a survey among british school kids. A significant number placed 'gay' as a synonym for 'broken', as in: "My computer is being gay".
The adults of the future are going to have an interesting take on sexual politics - and electrical repair.
Not that there's anything wrong with computers interfacing with same-sex computers.
In fact, how does one distinguish genders in computers?
Do they have transgendered computers too?
That's just silly: if computers could be gay then nerds and geeks would have much better dress sense...
Boot
Award BIOS check
Memory check complete
NVIDIA GeForce 2MX 400 32MB
Webcam installed
Oh my god! What are you wearing? White socks!
I'm not going to start up until you've got yourself some Armani...
LOL, SSH.
Queer B-Eye-OS For the Straight Guy.
Well, since the meaning of gay initally was just "happy", I guess it was an ever greater controversy when it became synonymous with homosexual.
Language changes all the time, so I don't think it's anything to get upset about when a word slowly transforms into something new.
You're full of lies, Andail!!
Next you'll be telling us some other bullshit story about how the word 'faggot' used to mean something wacked out, like a bundle of sticks or something!!
As if we're stupid enough to believe that!!
;D
I've no problem with words starting to mean new things. But this just isn't one of those occasions. The people who say "my computer's being gay" when they mean they've broken are just making flippant homophobic comments simply because it's the current trend. We're not witnessing language develop here (indeed, people regularly interchange "gay" with "queer" "fag" and "bum boy" when talking about stuff that's broken, so let's not pretend it's about one work taking on a new meaning) it's just perfectly fine for people to say "people like that are GAY!" because no one ever tell's them to fuck off and die.
You wouldn't get away with it if you said "people like that are such blackies!" or "my computer's being such a nigger."
Would you just chalk that up to "a word slowly transforming into something new" - thus nothing to get upset about? Because I know a LOT of people who wouldn't! Even though "black" was a word for a colour before it was a word for a subset of society.
http://www.bash.org/?167435
but Captain, meaning "bad" is one step on the way to meaning "good"... look at words like "bad", "wicked", etc. and just listen to some gangsta rap and you'll find plenty of other derogatory words used in a non-derogatory way.
See also:
http://oblivio.com/mejeffdorchen/moments/moment_sogay.html
So when I say cool, I mean it's red-hot!
Oh captain my captain
Yeah I get your point. I didn't realise you had the discriminating factor as an argument, I thought you were basically upset about children using words in the wrong way.
Although I must say that I don't find it a very big problem; homophobia has lost pretty much ground nowadays (things like Queer make-over and pride parade or whatnot shows a change in the trend), and gay people seem to be pretty indulgent themselves toward invectives based on their sexual orientation. (If you've hung out with gays, you know what I mean; they pretty much ask you to make discriminating and conservative remarks, just for the fun of it)
IMO, there are so many social groups treated far worse and more discriminating that the whole controversy gets a bit jaded.
But yeah, your "black" example still stands.
PS: Heck, you should be grateful that I even bother to pick up your purely anglo-american issues! :p
I always thought it'd be hilarious to make a male-male or female-female socket and plug, and call it a gay or homo cord.
But then, I'm an electrical engineer. I find all kinds of dorky shit like that funny.
Quote from: DGMacphee on Thu 22/01/2004 16:58:51
You're full of lies, Andail!!
Next you'll be telling us some other bullshit story about how the word 'faggot' used to mean something wacked out, like a bundle of sticks or something!!
As if we're stupid enough to believe that!!
My understanding is that "faggot" never meant "a bundle of sticks" but in fact meant "a bundle of firewood." The connection comes from the early inquisition, where gay men would be burned alive as "firewood" for witches. This is why the Nazis repopularized the term when they sent gays and lesbians into the concentration camps.
This is in part why I find "so gay" so offensive. Why not just say "oh, that is so jew" instead, while we're picking on victims of the holocaust.
Quote from: Andail on Thu 22/01/2004 18:03:50
Although I must say that I don't find it a very big problem; homophobia has lost pretty much ground nowadays PS: Heck, you should be grateful that I even bother to pick up your purely anglo-american issues! :p
Somewhat. I have to agree that society as a generality is a bit more tolerant than it was, say, 10 years ago. The adult members of society are much more tolerant than they used to be but there's a disturbing trend apparent. As one of the facets of rebellion against their parents, most 10-18 year-olds in my area seem to be either greatly homophobic or vociferously anti-homosexual in general. Of course, you could assume that it's primarily limited to my locale within the US. I've got a 34 mile drive to San Francisco and my general area is widely considered to be one of the most liberal in the US. As some minor semi-evidence that I know of what I speak, I have discussed the matter with my former step-kids (aged 15-9) and their friends. I also live within a hundred meters of an elementary school and hear what the students say while they walk past my house. I also live next to a house that's used as a daycare facility during the day and it would appear that even 5-6 year olds are being taught by their child role-models that 'boys & boys' or 'girls & girls' is something sick, unnatural, twisted, etc.
Despite anybody here's view (whether you believe it to be genetic, environmental, a sin or not), I would hope that none of us advocate any doctrine of hate.
This message isn't a rebuff of Andail's post, rather an On-Topic clarification of one of my current irritations. It seems like most of another generation is being raised (as I was) in a non-accepting fashion. Hooray. :-\
Quote from: bspeers1000 on Thu 22/01/2004 21:47:36
This is in part why I find "so gay" so offensive. Why not just say "oh, that is so jew" instead, while we're picking on victims of the holocaust.
Eric knows someone who's never played an online multiplayer game before...
Eric, what?
Do people actually say that outside of the Arabian states?
I think gay is a perfectly cromulent term to describe someone or someone that's flamboyant, maybe, even though that doesn't pertain to all gays, but it's less of a stretch then gay's last change of meaning. (happy)
As a synonym for anything bad, dumb, or broken, though, it's pretty moronic. But there's no point in scolding people for using it like that. It's only a SYMPTOM of bigotry, if anything. Like, what's the point of scolding Hitler for saying "Jews suck"?
And I think Eric's referring to the word "j00" as in "I H4X0R J00"
Quote from: bspeers1000 on Thu 22/01/2004 21:47:36Why not just say "oh, that is so jew" instead, while we're picking on victims of the holocaust.
Actually, I remember a lot of kids using the word jew in a derogatory way when I was in eighth grade or so.. "OMG taht computer is bein liek sooo JEWISH LOLOL!!!11". Slurs are becoming part of everyday speech, and I don't think it's going to change any time soon.
Trap makes a good point too. Why make a fuss about the use of a word when the misunderstanding and hostility is much deeper? Teach compassion first, and a more careful use of language will come naturally..
Ah. I don't play online multiplayer games, so that explains it.
I think I use racial slurs way too much too, because I grew accustomed to doing it a lot with my roomate. First it was "cripple" and "gimpy" when he had a torn ligament in his leg, and then when he came into good repair since he's of irish decent and has the sterotypical red hair/blue eyes I call him tater. Fortunately I made up the term as a racial slur so far as I know and nobody really understands what I'm talking about. Yufster, SSH, sorry. ;)
I gave him a hard time about the crutches because he once broke my rib. I remember when we first moved into my dorm I forcefully demanded, "Move faster cripple!" and my RA looked at me in shock and remarked, "As he's affectionately known.." I don't think he knew that we were familiar with each other. Made it all the more funny at the time.
sadly that's not the jew I ment
when I was playing counterstrike there were tons of people who would call someone a jew for killing them, sometimes fag jew or asshole jew or gay jew.
then there are the people who now think it's insulting to be called Muslim. "Stupid muslim, you got lucky!" "Hey, stop camping, muslim fag!" or something you get my drift...
(http://sylpher.com/kafka/junk/jews.jpg)
Quote from: bspeers1000 on Thu 22/01/2004 21:47:36
My understanding is that "faggot" never meant "a bundle of sticks" but in fact meant "a bundle of firewood." The connection comes from the early inquisition, where gay men would be burned alive as "firewood" for witches. This is why the Nazis repopularized the term when they sent gays and lesbians into the concentration camps.
Cause, you know, there's a hell of a lot of difference between a bundle of sticks and a bundle of firewood.
It's like I'm comparing apples to battleships -- what an idiot I am!
I hope this teaches all modern-day witch burners not to use sticks to cook old hags.
(Side note: it actually means "a bundle of sticks for firewood", so we're both right)
QuoteWhy make a fuss about the use of a word when the misunderstanding and hostility is much deeper? Teach compassion first, and a more careful use of language will come naturally...
Actually, one of the methods psychologists use to change people's attitudes is to change the language they use. Essentially, the language you use reinforces the beliefs you have.
My point stands-- which do you think is a more effective thing to say, or at least honest? "Don't say gay!" or "There's nothing wrong with gay people."
For me, the question is not whether someone is gay or straight.
It's whether they're a moron or not.
For example, Ian McKellen is a cool gay guy, just like the late John Geilgud, the late Freddie Mercury, and Michael Stipe.
Rose O'Donnell, on the other hand, is an attention-seeking, agenda-pushing moron.
Sexist.
Oh fine -- I like Ellen Degeneres too.
Give me Dory or give me death!
Plus, she hosts a pretty sweet Emmy Awards ceremony too.
So there, you Nazi!
Quote from: DGMacphee on Fri 23/01/2004 02:45:35
For example, Ian McKellen is a cool gay guy
Ian McKellen is gay?
Gandalf? Magneto? The Nazi from Apt Pupil?
Well if it's bad to use the word gay, why do people scream out "fuck" or "shit" when they trip or something bad happens? Okay, so are they implying that sex is bad and we shouldn't go to the toilet? FANTASTIC.
McKellen is openly gay.
He also played James Whale, the director of Frankenstein, in the film Gods and Monsters -- Whale was gay too.
Indeed. In fact, he also commented on how attractive Orlando Bloom was, and how it would be nice to kiss him. Bloom wasn't amused, and tacitly replied "I have a girlfriend" when reporters queried him on it.
And just a few illustratory quotes by the man.
Quote"I think it's one thing to declare your sexuality, if you care about what that is. It's another thing to start talking in public about what you do in private and who you do it with. It's not that they [my significant others] don't want to be identified as gay, but that they don't want to be identified as ... with me."
Quote"I've had enough of being a gay icon! I've had enough of all this hard work, because, since I came out, I keep getting all these parts, and my career's taken off. I want a quiet life. I'm going back into the closet. But I can't get back into the closet, because it's absolutely jam-packed full of other actors."
Hehe, I remember the Bloom incident.
It's funny cause Bloom looks more of a gay icon than McKellen.
Kinda like the way Matt Damon was a gay icon.
ORLANDO BLOOM IS SO DREEEAAAAMY!!!
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hehe
The bundle of twigs is also why cigarettes are called fags in england. Cause of the tobacco leaves shreadded looks like a bundle of really minute twigs or some crap and they burn.
Yes, Orlando IS hot! :D
It was the only disapointment with lotr:rotk, they didn't show enough of Legolas and too much of Frodo. Who the hell cares about a tiny hobbit that looks like he's been hit in the nuts with a frying pan all the time? GIMME ORLANDO!
Alright then!
(http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/film/gayhorse.jpg)
That pic reminds me the slight alike between LasNaranjas and Orlando Bloom...
Hmmm... I don't think my internet is working properly... For some strange reason the smooth, robust lumps on Orlando's chest have become all blurry.
Beats me why... ;)
But it's still a cool pic
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/Las_Gayranjas.gif)
This is the original photo...
Nah, it's not "j00", it's "Jew", they use the accusation that people are Jewish as an insult. Try checking bash.org (http://bash.org)...
Quote from: Las Naranjas on Fri 23/01/2004 06:53:58
Bloom wasn't amused, and tacitly replied "I have a girlfriend" when reporters queried him on it.
Since the OT was things that are WRONG, I'd like to point out that you can't tacitly reply. TACIT MEANS YOU DON'T SPEAK. Bloody aussies corrupting the English language, etc. etc....
This has been a public service announcement.
The last thing Maggie Thatcher did when she was in power was give McKellen a knighthood. I saw him on Jonathen Ross's program.
Still, I wouldn't do 'im. OR Orlando.
I'm straight and I'd do either of them.
err... if I was gay. And closer to their respective ages.
ESP dude.
much as I'd like to stifle the fact I feel this (because I like Squinky and his game), I'd like to say that those people who voted for Squink's Mittens shooter as being better than our Vegetable Patch Extreem Turbo 2 are wrong, and it pees me off!
Just because he put "Mittens" in the title everyone goes for that one instead...
<Captain Mostly's grumbling becomes illegable>
I'm just speculating, but I think it might have been a bad idea to have both VPXT games nominated. Some people voted for one, and some for the other, whereas if only one of them had been nominated it would have gotten all the votes the two now got separately, and it would probably have won.
I wondered why both Vegetable Patch games were there. 2 should have been there by itself, since it's not really a different game, just an improved version of the first. All nominations for VPXT should have gone to the more recent version.. But SOMEBODY screwed up!
Bah.. That's why I hate politics.
Well, I think there is at least one very important difference between the games (one has a time limit, the other doesn't) that justifies them both being nominated. It's not too difficult to imagine some people might prefer the gameplay of the first because they get all fuddled when they have to plan their strategy at speed.
That said, and as much fun as I found the Mitten's Shooter, I was really shocked when it won. It was great, but... VPXT2 was just on another level entirely.
I assumed it was because VPXT2 was too big for people to download. Mittens's been dowloaded lots more times than either of hte VPXT games (and I guess that most of the VPXT2 downloads are by people who've downloaded VPXT1) and I think this is because it's small, and based around forum folk.
I REALLY wish it'd be moved into the non-adventure catagory of the games page, as it's a bit humiliating to have my magnum opus beaten by a "joke game"... Gah! <further weeping>
ALSO: VPXT2 is NOT just the same as VPXT! Both games are entirly valid individually, because of the enormous game-play-changing impact that the against-the-clock element has in the sequil!!
Although this is probably just the proud parent in me talking. I just don't want to show favour to one of my kids over another!
[EDIT: Shit! I'm such a sore fucking loser! Sorry aoubt all this folks!]