Hi all,
I wonder if this is indicator for popularity of a game (see screenshot):
(http://www.cosmos-quest.com/cq_google.gif)
I'm sorry if there is another thread for this.
"The relevancy of a key term is determined by counting the number of times a given term occurs. You may notice that on occasion a term has a higher relevance than the term you entered. This is because it appears more often in Google searches related to your term than your input term does."
So yes, sort of indicator for popularity I guess....
Well not really no,
How many other search phrases start with "cosmo q"?
Most of my old bands show up in google and we were never particularly popular.
Presumably a phrase gets added to google even after only being searched once or twice.
Quote from: Calin Leafshade on Tue 30/03/2010 14:32:02
Presumably a phrase gets added to google even after only being searched once or twice.
I can't agree with that. Here is what I found for Google suggestions:
http://www.searchenginepromotionhelp.com/m/articles/search-engine-optimization/google-suggest.php
"Our algorithms use a wide range of information to predict the queries users are most likely to want to see. For example, Google Suggest uses data about the overall popularity of various searches to help rank the refinements it offers."http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Web+Search/thread?tid=53fc4c143bcbb634&hl=en
The Google Suggestions are based on the popularity of search queries. The reason they appear is because ACTUAL users are typing that into Google, and the query has become quite popular. So I checked most of the AGS games. And the most popular AGS games have auto suggestions.
I love how you've masked this spam as some kind of general discussion on how google works
If Cosmo Quest came up in the list after just typing 'Cos'... now that would be fairly impressive. But 'Cosmos Q' kind of narrows it down too much. The only reason it comes up at this point is because there's little else for the engine to choose from.
It also depends on what's "trending". At the moment 'Michael Buble' comes up ahead of Michael Jackson... but I guarantee in the months following Jacko's death The King of Pop would have been King of Google Michaels.
your game is definitely the most popular query starting with "cosmo q" but can you think of ANY other queries which begin with "cosmo q"?
it merely means you are listed on google and have been searched for before.
What do you want us to say?
"Congratulations, yes you're super popular and the quarterback WILL take you to the prom."
Quote from: Andail on Tue 30/03/2010 14:46:00
I love how you've masked this spam as some kind of general discussion on how google works
It's just an idea how AGS game authors can check their games popularity.
Quote from: Stupot on Tue 30/03/2010 14:48:12
At the moment 'Michael Buble' comes up ahead of Michael Jackson... but I guarantee in the months following Jacko's death The King of Pop would have been King of Google Michaels.
Not here he doesn't.
it also depends if you are logged in.
Google takes your previous searches into account..
on my schools computer (where I have no account) "cosmos quotes" comes first :P
I didn't point to to the position. I point to the fact that the query is in the suggestion box. And before you get into the suggestion box the users typed this MANY times, which is the indication for popularity.
For an example: "Living Nightmare Deluxe" which is the 5th popular game this week in AGS don't have any suggestion. I'm sure that there are people who searched it before, but the game is not in suggestions box. That means that you have to make many queries before get in to google suggestion box.
Note: It's CosmoS Quest, not Cosmo Quest.
I really dont think you have to search for stuff that many times for it to show up in the suggestion box.
Quote from: Calin Leafshade on Tue 30/03/2010 15:03:21
I really dont think you have to search for stuff that many times for it to show up in the suggestion box.
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Web+Search/thread?tid=53fc4c143bcbb634&hl=en
The Google Suggestions are based on the popularity of search queries. The reason they appear is because ACTUAL users are typing that into Google, and the query has become quite popular. For an example: "Living Nightmare Deluxe" which is the 5th popular game this week in AGS don't have any suggestion. I'm sure that there are people who searched it before, but the game is not in suggestions box. That means that you have to make many queries before get in to google suggestion box.Another example not in google suggestions box: IWWHIIWWHITOMIROTPG: The Game!
http://www.google.com/trends?q=ben+jordan%2C+cosmos+quest
Don't feel bad though:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=ben+jordan%2C+adventure+game+studio&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=ben+jordan&word2=cosmo+quest (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=ben+jordan&word2=cosmo+quest) ;D
But seriously though, as far as I know the suggestions (as well as the order of the search results) are based heavily on from where you're surfing the web, at least the suggestion 'cosmos quest' was never brought up here even after I have typed 'cosmos ques'. So yeah, the suggestions may be considered some indication on the popularity of particular search words but you should never consider them so seriously.
Quote from: SteveMcCrea on Tue 30/03/2010 15:49:57
http://www.google.com/trends?q=ben+jordan%2C+cosmos+quest
Don't feel bad though:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=ben+jordan%2C+adventure+game+studio&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
I'm happy with this results :)
http://www.google.com/trends?q=The+McCarthy+Chronicles%2C+cosmos+quest&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
http://www.google.com/trends?q=cosmos+quest%2C+A+Tale+of+Two+Kingdoms&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
CQ can't be compared with the popular Ben Jordan...
(http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/e/e3/Jordan.Ben.Mecca.jpg)
Man, I love that Google have added image results to the main search page!
Yeah, it takes maybe a hundred or two searches for Google to start to register it, amongst other factors.
Also you might just have a high ranking web-page, which increases your chances of Google relating to queries quicker.
And Harg - I think you're wrong about this:
QuoteFor an example: "Living Nightmare Deluxe" which is the 5th popular game this week in AGS don't have any suggestion. I'm sure that there are people who searched it before, but the game is not in suggestions box. That means that you have to make many queries before get in to google suggestion box.
This is due to nothing more than its timestamp. The deluxe edition has been available for a mere
8 days. Google can take 2 to 10 or more weeks to pick up on things properly. Also "living" and "nightmare" are massive words and suggestions, where as "cosmos" and "quest" are quite niche.
If you want to get a real idea of your games popularity, you should incorporate Google Analytics on your website. Also StatCounter.com stuff which can track keywords pertaining your site and game. That is the only real way, not by typing it in Google search.
Quote from: Harg on Tue 30/03/2010 16:04:42
I'm happy with this results :)
http://www.google.com/trends?q=The+McCarthy+Chronicles%2C+cosmos+quest&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
http://www.google.com/trends?q=cosmos+quest%2C+A+Tale+of+Two+Kingdoms&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
CQ can't be compared with the popular Ben Jordan...
Dude, that's pretty pathetic. Who gives a shit what is more popular?
*edit* Then again, maybe i'm wrong and i should be making a game titled Nude.
I think this one is more interesting:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=boobs%2C+penis&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 (http://www.google.com/trends?q=boobs%2C+penis&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0)
All that google optimization stuff is - in my opinion - not in any way an indicator of popularity. Using google analytics and its keyword search tool might give you some information about how popular search terms are at a certain point in time on a certain server - but I guess popularity should be measured in real feedback. If somebody with an unbiased opinion tells you he liked the game, that's the most important thing you can get. He took the time to comment and to tell you he liked it. Everybody can google up something, and it does not mean a thing.
If 300 people google "cosmos quest walkthrough", does that mean the game is too hard? If 5000 people google "cosmos quest" because there has been an article on some blog that this game was an example of bad adventure games in general, and they wanted to have a look at it just to see if it really that bad, does that mean your game is popular?
I think you should concentrate on creating something that is meaningful and important to you, and not get caught up in some irrelevant popularity search engine hocus pocus. Yup. And call your next game "free porn".
My next game will be named "The" :P
I started this thread as a question! Please read the whole thread! Then SOMEONE came up with some links that compares d..ks. Please check who started this comparing!!!
Who's blaming me!?! And for what!?!
Quote from: Harg on Tue 30/03/2010 17:35:18Who's blaming me!?! And for what!?!
Your attitude, perhaps? You probably didn't win too many friends with your CQ3 pulling situation, and trying to use Google to justify your game's worth seems awfully petty. It's not that big a deal, if you think your game is good, you shouldn't need to prove it to other people with anything other than the game itself.
Also, Google Trends doesn't seem to be 100% accurate...
http://www.google.com/trends?q=5+days+a+stranger%2C+cosmos+quest&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1 (http://www.google.com/trends?q=5+days+a+stranger%2C+cosmos+quest&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1)
Quote from: ddq on Tue 30/03/2010 17:39:47
Quote from: Harg on Tue 30/03/2010 17:35:18Who's blaming me!?! And for what!?!
Your attitude, perhaps? You probably didn't win too many friends with your CQ3 pulling situation, and trying to use Google to justify your game's worth seems awfully petty. It's not that big a deal, if you think your game is good, you shouldn't need to prove it to other people with anything other than the game itself.
Also, Google Trends doesn't seem to be 100% accurate...
http://www.google.com/trends?q=5+days+a+stranger%2C+cosmos+quest&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1 (http://www.google.com/trends?q=5+days+a+stranger%2C+cosmos+quest&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1)
Please read the whole thread from the beginning!
Quote from: Harg on Tue 30/03/2010 17:42:54Please read the whole thread from the beginning!
I'm not getting pulled into any forum drama, but I've been watching this thread from the beginning and waiting to see where all the obvious hostility would go.
I do think the best thing you could do would be to make Cosmos Quest 4 and use it as your argument. I'd certainly play it.
EDIT: I said I wouldn't get pulled into any forum drama. If you need me, I'll be over there in that sort of direction.
ddq, just answer to this:
Why when I posted a question about google suggestions box and popularity of a game then all of you started to insult me? How a question like this can lead to insult?
Relax man. Nobody was insulting you, they were just saying that the Google suggestions weren't all that relevant in popularity.
Also who hasn't Googled themselves or something they've done? I've done it. It feels good seeing a blog or something with a comment of your game, whether they're saying the game is good or bad, it at least means they played it. And that's why we make the games in the first place. To make a game we can call our own, and for that chance that someone will play it and enjoy it as much as we do.
No need to get angry.
I think we all know that this sort of thing
is a sign of popularity. Otherwise I wouldn't have been so depressed by this phrase:
QuoteYour terms - nelly cootalot - do not have enough search volume to show graphs.
It's totally relative, for example HHGTG Remake is like more popular than everything AGS built EVAAAAAAHHHHH~!!!!!!!!.
Seriously, it's not a way to judge popularity.
Quote from: Ali on Tue 30/03/2010 20:32:12
I think we all know that this sort of thing is a sign of popularity. Otherwise I wouldn't have been so depressed by this phrase:
QuoteYour terms - nelly cootalot - do not have enough search volume to show graphs.
Try it now. :-)
[edit]
sorry to go off topic, but this graph is kind of cool. you can really see how Facebook totally shat all over MySpace (which is a shame because MySpace is tons better).
http://www.google.com/trends?q=facebook,+myspace&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
Quote from: Dualnames on Tue 30/03/2010 20:40:04
It's totally relative, for example HHGTG Remake is like more popular than everything AGS built EVAAAAAAHHHHH~!!!!!!!!.
Obviously, even my mum asks when that game is going to be finished - she doesn't even play games, it's that popular!
The only google auto suggestion for "Heartland Deluxe" is "Heartland Deluxe walkthrough". The first actual google result is the game's entry in the database. The next...13 results are also related to my game.
The 14th is a link to buy a Heartland Deluxe spa cover. Which is not affiliated with me. But which has a 1.5 pound density and metal-reinforced foam lining. A quality spa cover, I'm sure you'll agree.
Googling for "Heartland Deluxe" results in 321,000 entries. Mostly spa cover related. And John Deere tractors.
Quote from: Ryan Timothy on Tue 30/03/2010 20:50:54
Quote from: Dualnames on Tue 30/03/2010 20:40:04
It's totally relative, for example HHGTG Remake is like more popular than everything AGS built EVAAAAAAHHHHH~!!!!!!!!.
Obviously, even my mum asks when that game is going to be finished - she doesn't even play games, it's that popular!
Hey, tell your mother, I'm bloody working on it! :P
What's really amazing is this thread's reads to posts ratio! :O
I was rather impressed by the sheer amount of Indians who search for boobs and penises on the internet, myself.
Harg, just name your next game Boobs n' Penis: Quest for the Handjob of Uranus. I guarantee your game will show up in many many more searches and draw much more attention to itself.
In fact, I think we should have a contest to provide Harg with the most google-search grabbing name ever, both by popular vote and by google analytics!
Just think what Boobs N' Penis might look like in glorious SPECTRUM-VISION!
(http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr218/ProgZmax/laff.png)
Google for "neku new trip". For me first two links point to 2 AGS games by icey games... you probably could hear about him lately... does this mean these games are popular?
Dunno...
Sorry, don't have much to say anymore :P
(http://i40.tinypic.com/ncyweh.png)
damn, will fix that typo!
ProgZMax, I was impressed by your pixelling skills. Until now.
That title screen looks horrible :P
No posts from me in this forum, anymore. I'm sick and tired of your jokes :(
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Are those the lyrics to Billy Joel's We Didn't Start The Fire? ;)
kidding of course.
Jim Reed make that game! I'll Find Chuck Norris (http://www.nochucknorris.com/) to play it too.
Which is more important: SSH or AGS?
http://www.google.com/trends?q=ssh%2C+ags&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
:=
not really a fair comparison is it Mr Secure Shell?
:P
Quote from: Calin Leafshade on Wed 31/03/2010 07:19:33
not really a fair comparison is it Mr Secure Shell?
True, we should discount all that stuff about attorneys general (AGs) to make it fairer...
Quote from: Harg on Tue 30/03/2010 23:52:37
No posts from me in this forum, anymore. I'm sick and tired of your jokes :(
Or you could try posting something that might be in the interest of the general audience of this community, instead of only stuff about Cosmos Quest. How about a thread that is not related to Cosmos Quest in any perceivable way?
I love how kaputtnik gave a perfect answer to the original question in Harg's very first post while barely touching the trends stuff and Harg gets all worked up because he hadn't thought of that and didn't like it and proceeds to make up stuff about kaputtnik talking about something else.
That guy has some serious ego problems.
Quote from: Harg on Tue 30/03/2010 23:52:37
No posts from me in this forum, anymore. I'm sick and tired of your jokes :(
2. Post in a mature manner. Remember, the minimum age here is 16 - if you're unable to act that age, don't post.
Quote from: Khris on Wed 31/03/2010 11:27:42
I love how kaputtnik gave a perfect answer to the original question in Harg's very first post while barely touching the trends stuff and Harg gets all worked up because he hadn't thought of that and didn't like it and proceeds to make up stuff about kaputtnik talking about something else.
That guy has some serious ego problems.
I know kaputtnik needs a psychiatrist or something. ;)
You keep promoting your music like spam, you know that!!
To be fair, I've started feeling a bit sorry for Harg after all recent events involving the removal of his games from AGS and the infamous barrel ( +crowbar) debate. Taking criticism is not his strong side, that's true, but I've played worse games than his Cosmo(s) Quest saga, so I've decided to cut him some slack this time and support him........
Someone has mentioned you should make another sequel. I think it's a grand idea. I think we'd all play it just to tell you it sucks... but if it wouldn't suck you'd get a perfect comeback and prove us all wrong ( and show us that we suck instead).:)
I know this is off -topic, but this is the hidden meaning behind it, isn't it? It's not about a casual google-related discussion, it's really about proving to us that CQ comes up on Google so it's big and great and we should be ashamed for taking the piss out of your game because it's obviously very popular on the web... At least, that's how I see it anyway.
I think a lot for the situation that Grim mentioned. Yes, I created a game in way that I and many others (many out and some in AGS community) like it. Most of the people in this community showed lot of criticism. But after all I realize that if I like something, I can't expect others to like it too. WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT. To be honest, there are only one or two games in the whole AGS database that I like. Maybe I have strange criteria. But I got frustrated by the way that my games were criticized. And I'm sorry that I pay too much attention for that. Now I'm creating CQ4. And I'm making just how I want to. Nevermind, wheather you will like or not. Because the only pleasure that I get is the pleasure of the process of creation of something that I like. So, nothing else matters.
Cheers and good luck to all.
And I'll probably even play it! ;)
Quote from: Harg on Wed 31/03/2010 21:21:57
there are only one or two games in the whole AGS database that I like.
We need to work on that area of your personality and one day you might even get a little tiny bit more popular...... :P ;D
PS. Best thing to do is to turn all the shit "this community" has given to you into your advantage. I suggest lots of barrels, preferably on a lonely asteroids drifting through the space. Also, how about a in-production thread for CQ4? We could continue this discussion there.
Quote from: Grim on Wed 31/03/2010 22:02:29
I suggest lots of barrels, preferably on a lonely asteroids drifting through the space.
Guys, please don't start that again. I'm very touchy about that barrels. I'm telling you for the last time. The barrels were placed NOT in a random area!!! The area where they were placed is populated (the area is located few meters from the mines entrance)!!! The guy who posted this about the barrels (I don't remember his name) misunderstood the situation at that moment of the game. And also in the game is written that the area is populated. And because of his misunderstanding, now everyone know that I'm placing a objects wherever I want! This is not true!!!
Oh, don't be so bloody serious, will you?:) :)
A pinch of sense of humour would do your games a hell of a good. Take notes from Douglas Adams. I'd love a good barrel puzzle. And I DON'T mean it in a nasty way!
Quote from: Dualnames on Wed 31/03/2010 18:44:22
Quote from: Khris on Wed 31/03/2010 11:27:42
I love how kaputtnik gave a perfect answer to the original question in Harg's very first post while barely touching the trends stuff and Harg gets all worked up because he hadn't thought of that and didn't like it and proceeds to make up stuff about kaputtnik talking about something else.
That guy has some serious ego problems.
I know kaputtnik needs a psychiatrist or something. ;)
You keep promoting your music like spam, you know that!!
Dualnames, you know I hate music.
On topic: Thanks to khris for pointing that out. I felt like I was contributing something really nice and useful here. When reading the response I felt like the string harmonics had already begun to spread their sentimental mood, the camera had already started to zoom out to a scenic view of the town and everybody had learned his valuable lesson - and then suddenly the movie all of a sudden starts over again.
I'll never try that Disney "be yourself" bullshit again, seriously, that was the last time.
And Harg: Be yourself, and make Cosmos Quest 4 the best Cosmos Quest ever!
Quote from: Harg on Wed 31/03/2010 22:39:18
The barrels were placed NOT in a random area!!! The area where they were placed is populated (the area is located few meters from the mines entrance)!!! The guy who posted this about the barrels (I don't remember his name) misunderstood the situation at that moment of the game.
Whoever that guy was, he sounds like a real dumbass. ::)
I'm not sure why you're unable to admit that the barrel
was in a pretty random location. But this isn't the place for that conversation.
On a serious note; quit being so melodramatic, simmer down man.
Also this was just pure gold:
QuoteI'm very touchy about that barrels.
I lolled
Hey guys, how about just leaving Harq alone? What are people trying to accomplish? You don't like his thread or him, don't post in it maybe?
Continuing to tease or insult someone when it is clear that they are annoyed does not sound very mature to me either.
Yeah, I think some people are getting a little too carried away with the put-downs.
If you want to think about it from a purely selfish viewpoint, then consider this: AGS has one of the best online communities, don't spoil it.
MrC, I've read this thread over again and I do not see where you're getting this "picking on Harg" impression. Most comments were about Google and quite civil, or just mild jokes that weren't even really directed at Harg or CQ. It was mostly Harg being hostile and overreacting, which can obviously result in unwanted comments - but nothing that I would deem as an insult or tease.
What you meant to say was: don't start such a bland misrepresenting thread topic and get angry when it goes in a direction you didn't intend. Also with the message of no teasing or bullying, of course.
Well, to be fair even though I think the majority of comments made have been in good humour, Harg obviously feels like we are attacking him personally. :'( Makes me sad.
Harg, everyone here makes games (well mostly), there's over 1,000 amateur adventure games available of variable degrees of quality. Every one of us makes mistakes and have different tastes in what we think is good.
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/cq4.gif)
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"There is a wise and popular fact that things aren't always what they seem..."
Quote from: Mods on Thu 01/04/2010 16:01:20
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Ahahaha, well played.
LOL
House party at Harg's?
I'm game.
I'm cosmos quest :)
This is not teasing. This is join the club material :=
Lmao Mods! I couldn't stop laughing.