your opinion on Roswell UFO crash

Stupot · Wed 01/08/2007 09:57:13

Aliens must surely exist. We cant be the only planet out of billions and billions of planets in the universe that contains life. And it's just as plausible to assume that we are only average and that there exist planets whose inhabitants are dumber than us and other planets whose creatures are far more advanced than us...

I find it highly unlikely that we'll ever meet anyone from one of the latter camp. It simply isn't physically possible to just fly about the universe willy nilly... (i don't think). So an alien crash landing on Earth is too far fetched for me.

Vince Twelve · Wed 01/08/2007 10:38:46

Ah, I see. I misread. You DON'T believe that aliens have come to earth and also don't believe that we've been to the moon.

I'm with you on the alien part, but the moon? Seriously?

What part of the mountain of evidence proving that we HAVE been to the moon don't you believe?

Ali · Wed 01/08/2007 10:50:53

Quote from: Stupot on Wed 01/08/2007 08:45:07
Knowing that people associated Area51 with aliens meant that they could film the landings there and people wouldn't guess.

I don't particularly object to what you're saying, but this is the least logical statement I've heard in a good long while.

"Should we check inside that Government facility to see if they're faking the moon landing?" asked Joe.
"No," answered Jane, "It's associated with aliens."

radiowaves · Wed 01/08/2007 12:09:53

Aliens are on and IN the Moon! They don't have to travel lightyears. Moon anomalies have been viewed long before first manned space flight. You could even see blurred out areas of NASA photographs.

And space travel doesn't necessarily mean traveling lightyears, there could also be a time warp, bending space and time like Hiro Nakamura did.

Nacho · Wed 01/08/2007 13:33:09

Quote from: radiowaves on Wed 01/08/2007 12:09:53
And space travel doesn't necessarily mean traveling lightyears, there could also be a time warp, bending space and time like Hiro Nakamura did.

So, they have that amazing tecnology, but they are not able to visit us without leaving evidences? No stealth tecnology? That' s like saying that they can do atomic bombs, but didn' t discovered the wheel, I am afraid...

radiowaves · Wed 01/08/2007 14:32:06

Aliens could not be humans, so they probably won't think like humans. Maybe evidence is there but is just ignored and therefore unseen. Maybe we are too stupid to understand their ways of communicating or maybe we are just not worth of communicating with them.

Khris · Wed 01/08/2007 20:18:24

Stupot: Sorry, but saying the moon landing was a fake makes you look really uninformed. Or ignorant. You are entitled to your own opinion, but don't pull it out of your ass, base it on the known facts. Every single argument the fake-believers have brought up is actually proof mankind DID visit the moon.
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

radiowaves: Are you serious? Aliens are on and IN the moon?

Stupot · Thu 02/08/2007 06:22:21

Actually I'm both uninformed and ignorant.
We all are. The government likes to keep it that way.

Vince Twelve · Thu 02/08/2007 06:30:13

Luckily, you can make yourself informed by listening, reading, and questioning. I'd suggest starting with the link KhrisMUC posted.

Being informed and ignorant is a choice that you make for yourself.

Stupot · Thu 02/08/2007 06:36:16

I already know all the debunkings of the the fake moon landing theories.
I'm only half joking. I don't really beleive they were faked I just think it's a nice theory and I want to be able to say "I told you so" if they ever are proven to have been faked.

Believe me I did all the reading there is to do about these sorts conspiracy theories (both sides of the argument) in the 90's when I was an X-files freak.

Vince Twelve · Thu 02/08/2007 06:39:57

Hey, I won't judge you for being fascinated by conspiracies. You're talking to a guy who had a replica of Mulder's "I want to believe" poster on his bedroom wall.

Stupot · Thu 02/08/2007 06:43:16

Haha, I wanted that but couldn't find it for years, then when I found it in a catalogue, they sent me a mug instead.

Nacho · Thu 02/08/2007 12:08:05

Quote from: radiowaves on Wed 01/08/2007 14:32:06
Aliens could not be humans, so they probably won't think like humans. Maybe evidence is there but is just ignored and therefore unseen. Maybe we are too stupid to understand their ways of communicating or maybe we are just not worth of communicating with them.

Maybe, maybe, maybe... All those theories are full of maybes. But extraordinary statement need of extraordinary evidences... Otherwise, I could say they there are still dragons (but maybe, who knows? they have learned to jump into another dimension, or maybe they are invissible or live under the earth, maybe, maybe, maybe...)

Like travelling to the moon. Saying that a man has step into another sky body is an extraordinary statement... but there are extraordinary evidences! more than 200 hours of video footage, moon rocks, the lauchs seen by million of people from Cape CaÃ±averal... Reaching the moon, after the lauchs of the Saturns and being prooved to be possible the space docks in the orbit, going just two steps further (on road to moon and landing) seems to me 10 times more plausible that filming it in area 51.

Actually, we just need to use the logic. The russians never claimed the footage to be false. Don' t you think that the russians would have examined every frame of the footage with a magnifier to find an evidence that the "archi-enemy" never reached the moon? And if you want to quote "Kubrick's film theory", please, take a look to the credits of the documentary at the end... there you can see Kubrick' s widow, Rumsfeld and some of the other "intervieweds" laughing like kids for the prank. It was all a joke for having some fun!(*)

If you want to quote those funny "powerpoints" sent via email mentioning the "evidences" that we were never there (the stars do not shine, blah, blah, blah), read before the SCIENTIFIC reports de-mythifing that silly email. You' ll have some laughs.

(*) I refer to a silly french documentary were Kubrick' s widow and some others (I.E. Donald Rumsfeld) claim that the footage was actually filmed by Kubrick's, who impressed the people at the pentagon after they saw 2001... The main documentary claim itself has a joke on it. Kubrick filmed 2001 after a lot of "real" space footage was filmed, being he, therefore, inpired in "real" footage to make the film, not the opposite.

Afflict · Thu 02/08/2007 18:03:49

Interesting thread, your responses were also interesting.

Alien's exist, cause the bible told me so. So if you are a Christian you can't argue.

If indeed you don't believe in god, then well lets say when the big bang happened and the whole evolution scene was set in motion, that only one planet out of all the planets in the universe formed advanced life, well if those are the odds then the big bang probably didn't happen.

Krysis · Thu 02/08/2007 19:44:38

I think they faked North America. It simply doesn't exist... It's actually Asia. They faked the whole thing. Columbus knew the truth!

Seriosly speaking... Aliens might exist somewhere, but they are far different than anything you or I can even imagine.

Nacho · Thu 02/08/2007 20:34:49

Quote from: Krysis on Thu 02/08/2007 19:44:38
Seriosly speaking... Aliens might exist somewhere, but they are far different than anything you or I can even imagine.

They are, basically, FAR.

arthur.com · Thu 02/08/2007 23:03:34

I think if the aliens are real then their race was created mutch earlier then ours and they have very low gravity on their planet. they build a spece vessel and fly to our planet and crash becouse of the gravity.
and then we all run to the crashing site take everything and distort the aliens,

seriously we humans are monsters. and to think that aliens may be evil.

arthur.com · Thu 02/08/2007 23:06:31

Quote from: Afflict on Thu 02/08/2007 18:03:49

If indeed you don't believe in god, then well lets say when the big bang happened and the whole evolution scene was set in motion, that only one planet out of all the planets in the universe formed advanced life, well if those are the odds then the big bang probably didn't happen.

if the big bang did happen what was outside that one...thing that voused the explosion.
you probably think nothing. buthow can there be just empty space with no gas or materia in it?

Afflict · Thu 02/08/2007 23:42:39

No I don't think there was nothing, there had to be something. (In the Big Bang Theory) So I am going to take the easy way out here and say "Let there be light"

But seriously now, why in the heck do people even care where it all began, it's not like it matters. Seriously what are you gona do if you know ok it's 100% proven that we fell out of a tree somewhere between 10000bc % 5000bc or something. The whole where it all began talk is really boring, and I get semi frustrated when people go on these huge debates about it.

The truth of the matter is we will never ever know, and someday when some moron figures out how to build a time machine and travels back all the way and ends up in the explosion we will still not know

MrColossal · Thu 02/08/2007 23:48:54

Arthur, you're proposing a race of alien beings with such amazing technology that they can travel vast distances through space and yet don't realize that other planets have different gravity?

We're just normal humans with stone age technology compared to vast interstellar travel and we can calculate the gravity on planets we haven't even seen!