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Title: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sat 29/10/2005 23:10:24
THUMBS UP with this game! Way to go, Wretched!

Yep......I'm stuck...
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Black Pawn: Can't get thing out of stump. Can't beat Queen's game #4 and THAT's driving me crazy! LOL! Have several items and understand how they're passed back and forth.........
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Stuck, stuck, stuck......
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sat 29/10/2005 23:34:01
Uhm....in the meantime....

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I beat the Queen's games....spoke to king and got reward, still can't get item out of stump. ALSO, on the lighter side.....melted something....
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Anyone? Anyone?
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Joyce on Sat 29/10/2005 23:48:20
Oh the graphics look so good, but I don't have a clue how to play chess so is there any point in me downloading it or would I be completely lost?
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sat 29/10/2005 23:57:50
OH.....most definitely download it!!! I know NOTHING about chess, either....and I'm having a blast!

Hurry up, Joyce..... I need help!!! LOL!
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Nikolas on Sun 30/10/2005 00:06:40
The black Queen wants wood for her bodyworms. I mean the minute I enter her room she tells me that and then I fear and get out. What should I do? Anyd ideas? Fischer?
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sun 30/10/2005 00:18:02
Hi Nikolas,

First of all
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Do you already know how to pass things from the white pawn to the black pawn? If so.....maybe the black pawn can get something much tastier than wood!
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Rosie on Sun 30/10/2005 01:02:50
THIS GAME IS GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEAT

THANK YOU WRETCHED
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Stefano on Sun 30/10/2005 02:24:06
Niiiice! Another Wretched's challenging games!
Downloading it RIGHT NOW!  :=
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Rosie on Sun 30/10/2005 02:47:12
OK FISHER  COME CLEAN:

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how did you do that game with the worms????? That game is driving me crazy........and how are items passed back and forth..... black pawn got the plum that white pawn tossed down the well and the sword as well so how do I get them passed back? I guess the purple fruit (plum) is for the queen If I ever get to meet her.....I got upstairs in black pawns house and saw the bloody thing in the tree stump, but can't seem to get it out.  Please Helpppppp   Thank you

The white pawn game was so much easier than the black.......
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Joyce on Sun 30/10/2005 03:22:07
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I'm the black pawn. Got the fruit that white pawn threw down the well, got the wooden sword. Beat the 2 games so got by there but can't get in any of the doors. Can't see anything in the tree stump. Been upstairs in black pawns house, can't see anything there. Been to that other red cave place, can't do anything in there. Can't get by the spider in the cave where water is.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Rosie on Sun 30/10/2005 03:40:07
Joyce//... and a question for help for anyone who has finished that worm game in black pawn/

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when you get mad at someone, do you want to smack them?  spider in cave getting you mad with his mumbling?


Anyone out there?  I am so stuck on that worm board with the black pawn.  I can get every one but that one in the upper left hand corner which is surrounded by worms except for the one row but when I go in to get the pawn, I create a worm and cant get out....... help please
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Joyce on Sun 30/10/2005 04:01:23
Rosie

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I have kicked the spider, I get some sort of message - press tiny precious stone, where is it? I can't remember the stragedy for the worm game, just trial and error lol 
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sun 30/10/2005 04:26:06
Hey!

Okay, it's after midnight here, so I won't be back on for a bit.

Let's see
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yes, the worm game is trial and error....sorry for no help!
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Rosie,
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If your white pawn has a long rope, try it on the well. Maybe the black pawn can send things up if the rope is there......
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Joyce and Rosie
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Maybe the worms with the black queen likes fruit too!
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Joyce,
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Black pawn: Upstairs in house, look down at stump. Also, try 'talking' to the doors.....
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Need to sleep....good luck!
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Joyce on Sun 30/10/2005 04:54:29
Thanks Fisher

I am still soooo stuck

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I was talking to Rosie and she said she got a rope from the king, I have exhausted all conversation with him and everybody else, I did not get a rope.
As black pawn I have tried talking to the doors, nothing happens. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I did finally see the red thing in the stump of tree though.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Rosie on Sun 30/10/2005 05:04:12
Fisher

[ditto]finished black worm game.... yes it is game of trial and error.
Now I am where Joyce is.  I talked to doors, but nothing happens......and I have to press a tiny stone?  Thanks for all your help..... I gained an hour tonite and I am using it up here.
LOL

Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Joyce on Sun 30/10/2005 09:11:04
Well I couldn't sleep, so figured I would give it another go,
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as white pawn still can't get a rope and still wandering around aimlessly
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Nikolas on Sun 30/10/2005 09:22:15
Jouce:
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Why don't you try and fix what you did wrong? I mean see in the well and try to take the sword back. And if you can't do that, find someone to help you...
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Joyce on Sun 30/10/2005 09:49:06
Thank you Nikolas, I got the rope
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Rocco on Sun 30/10/2005 12:18:25
very great game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
one problem at the beginning
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Stefano on Sun 30/10/2005 14:25:00
I've played for a while and I'm with you guys now.
I found something nobody mentioned yet:
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The fellow in the cave mumbles things like shiny, tiny, precious... I've found some red shiny object, that I cannot take. If you want to know more, read the next spoiler for more info.
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It's near the black pawn's house, inside the dead tree. To see it, you need to look through the window in the second floor.
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If anyone have news about this, let me know.

And what about:
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the candle wax? If you walk with it in the sun, it melts. If you throw it in the well, it turns into a round orb of hard wax. Don't know what to do with it, though.
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Any ideas?
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Joyce on Sun 30/10/2005 15:44:19
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yes stefano we've seen into the tree stump but I don't remember it saying anything about it being shiny, just blood coloured. Maybe its a ruby and thats the precious tiny stone the spider was talking about.
After passing the black rook there are two doors, if you go straight ahead there are another two doors in that big red cave place, I can't get into any of the doors. I have tried talking to the doors like Fisher suggested, I have done this numerous times but they just won't open. I need help with this
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: cittymom on Sun 30/10/2005 15:59:40
Joyce,
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Those doors in the dark castle need passcodes if you talk with the black rook at the gate.   I have completed his test,  but cannot get any passcode to work.  MY logic is not working! So I am stuck for now. 
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sun 30/10/2005 16:05:30
Hey Joyce!

Unfortunately, I'm not gonna be able to play the game today until later this afternoon; however, I saw your last post and wanted to try to help.

Okay,
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Black Pawn: Guard outside the 'castle' gave you a test that let you in the gate. That test was to learn the 'location' of each chess piece by name, like C8, D8, E8, etc. When you walk in, there are (2) doors: Right one looks like a knight. Ã, You 'should' use the mouth icon on the door and it asks for a password for you to type in. Remember the location of the knight? TYPE it in the box.
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I hope this helps!

Stefano, I'm pretty much where you are.....
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sun 30/10/2005 16:18:38
Small correction for above post:

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It's not the 'actual name' of the piece that you type in for password.......it's the 'starting location' of the piece.
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Sorry about that!
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: cittymom on Sun 30/10/2005 16:27:24
Thanks Fisher,
I was using the number before the letter..... guess that was MY problem.
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sun 30/10/2005 16:41:06
Glad to help, Cittymom!

(Obviously, I'm having a weeee bit of trouble 'walking away' from this game!lol!)

Okay, I'm really, really stuck:
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In general, I have: potted plant, rope, sticky stuff/hard ball of wax, a yard of string, King's Army badge, sword. I know items can be passed to one another and some cannot.
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I've gone back and talked to everybody, tried to use all items on them and STILL not moving forward!

ALSO:
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how in the world to I get that dang object out of the stump? And what about that evil bird outside the cave? Can we get him?
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I've been stuck here since last night.........heeeeeellllllp.
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Joyce on Sun 30/10/2005 17:08:18
Fisher

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thank you for helping, my problem is when I use the talk icon on the doors nothing happens, nothing to say I need a password. I have tried talking to black rook again but it just says get lost lol.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sun 30/10/2005 17:39:35
Hmmmmm, Joyce....you have me stumped....

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What 'should' happen is, you talk to the door and then at the bottom of the screen you have a 'choice of responses'.....The first one is "I don't know" and the other is the option to say the password......
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I'm just not sure why nothin' is happening when you try.

AND
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When you go back out to talk to the guard, you 'should' have the option to tell him you have forgotten their locations....or something like that.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Joyce on Sun 30/10/2005 17:45:15
Thanks Fisher

Maybe I've got a bug because I don't get any of those options. Nothing from the doors and nothing except "get lost" with the guard.

Wretched - Do you think I am going to have to delete and d/l again?
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Sun 30/10/2005 18:07:01
Joyce, No bug.
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Joyce on Sun 30/10/2005 18:35:29
hmmmmm so you obviously know what I am doing wrong or not doing lol. How about a wee hint or a BIG SHOVE in the right direction. [/spoiler] I obviously won the test that the guard gave to me otherwise I wouldn't have gotten into where the doors are. Black pawn has sword and fruit, white pawn has flower and rope. I know how to put the rope down the well and pass stuff, tried sending the fruit up again but couldn't use it anywhere. I have exhausted all conversations with everybody. So why am I not getting the option of talking to guard again or talking to doors? [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Rosie on Sun 30/10/2005 18:55:15
HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

I am also stuck in same spot as Joyce...... Not getting any options on opening door from guard.....Just get lost....
I have sword and purple fruit...... Do I have to do anything else before I can open these doors???? I played worm game and won.  I AM SO STUCKKKKKK

I know you are online, wretched............ Please
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Stefano on Sun 30/10/2005 18:58:07
This is weird... I guess you did, but:
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Did you threatened the guard with the sword?
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Joyce on Sun 30/10/2005 19:01:57
Yes wasn't that before you got to do the worm game, tried sword again on him but not working
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Rosie on Sun 30/10/2005 19:02:53
not working here either......another hint????
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Sun 30/10/2005 19:05:29
ok, Just this once though I don't like giving hints until the game has been completed, as I watch the hints thread for valuable feedback on puzzles/difficulty. As this is relatively simple, well I thought it was...
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Try to open all 4 doors with interact, then talk to Black Rook
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Stefano on Sun 30/10/2005 19:06:20
Sorry if I'm saying things that were already suggested, but I remember that:
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...you have to try to "knock" on the doors. After that, you go outside again and complain to the guard...
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I hope you can find out what's wrong soon, so you can help us.  ;)
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Joyce on Sun 30/10/2005 19:09:25
I'm sure I did that but will try again
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sun 30/10/2005 19:15:30
I'm truly pulling my hair out......

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My black pawn has 'passed all of the tests' and has aquired the King's Badge to be the Black Queen's Pawn. My white pawn has exhausted all conversations with everyone. In both cases, I've used all of my items and even passed back and forth, etc. My white pawn has 87 (points) and my black pawn has 58 (points).
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I've been at this since LAST NIGHT.........please give this lil ole lady a nudge....lol.......please?

(Good Luck, Joyce.....honestly, I don't remember doing all that......maybe is was a brief moment of genius.......sorry I couldn't help more........)
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Stefano on Sun 30/10/2005 20:12:41
I'm exaclty on the same spot. I'm suspicious about:
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- The evil Raven...
- The dead tree (as I've posted before).
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Like you, I've exhausted all conversations. I've even played the black pawn game again and tried to use items on the pieces. No luck...
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sun 30/10/2005 20:33:17
Stefano, thank goodness you are where I am.....Yep, I've also mentioned and experiencing 'your (2) suspicions.'Ã, 

What in the world are we s'pose to do now? I am just at a complete halt.

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I do know that I can't visit the Black King anymore because I'm already in the army....but, I CAN still visit everybody else.....does that mean I have more 'business' with these others?
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Oh....who knows......(well, Wretched knows......)

Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Nikolas on Sun 30/10/2005 21:46:31
I have to say that I'm in the exact same position as you too, Stefano and Fischer.

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Maybe it's got something to do with the candle, which since you can do it, seems that you need it as a ball of wax. Hmmmm...
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: i k a r i on Sun 30/10/2005 21:57:45
I'm in the same place that stefano and fisher, throw us a hint please =P
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Stefano on Sun 30/10/2005 22:01:06
I've dowloaded the new version and I...
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...cannot throw the wax ball back into the well anymore. I was thinking about using it to lure the Raven as it looks like an egg, but I guess the white pawn is the one who'll use it.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sun 30/10/2005 22:08:09
Stefano

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You're right, you can't throw the ball of wax back down to the black pawn; however, you CAN melt it into the sticky stuff again and throw it to him and it turns back to the ball of wax
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I did that. Still can't do anything......
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Nikolas on Sun 30/10/2005 22:26:01
Hey have you noticed that:
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There are two pieces of string. Both of them can have some? Does it make any sense? I tried to throw in first the string and then the melted wax, just so it could cool and create some kind of weapon for the Raven, but it didn't work. Any ideas?
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Stefano on Sun 30/10/2005 22:42:46
Yeah! I had the same idea.  ;D
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where did you get 2 pieces of string? I only have one.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sun 30/10/2005 23:16:53
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I only have (1) string too.....about a yard......I tried to 'cut' it with the sword but couldn't....
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Nikolas on Sun 30/10/2005 23:27:35
It could be a bug or something. I can't remember exactly... I didn't use the sword though...

Wretched HELP US!
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Rosie on Sun 30/10/2005 23:39:04
Just let me know if I am on the right track:

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password for door- bishop door for instance:

Originally when I went in to play the game the bishops were on spaces 5D-F6  I had to move them to their right places which were 8C-8F.  So if I use any of those numbers, it says that the password is wrong........ Am I on the wrong track?  Please help me get further with this part........ Thank you
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Nikolas on Sun 30/10/2005 23:46:38
Rossie: You are on the right track.
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If you put the battaries the wrong way the toy won't work will it?
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I tried not to give awya too much...  :-\
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Mon 31/10/2005 00:02:33
I started playing this but in the moment I am just running in circles. I must have missed something basic...
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I got my flower pot and the bloody rose from the queen. I suppose I have to see the king now, but I can not enter the 3rd door. No one wants to do any talking any more. I can't go into the battlefield or across the hot desert.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: marlamoe on Mon 31/10/2005 00:23:29
I think what is going on is this 
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  When you learned the assignments for the black pieces, did you all remember that there are 2 bishops and 2 knights?  It really makes a difference in what winds up in your inventory
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If this does not help, let me know.  I will help where I can.
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Mon 31/10/2005 00:52:32
Yes the dulpicate inventory items is a bug, but should not stop you completing the game. Has been fixed, but no need to redownload unless you really want to.
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Mon 31/10/2005 00:54:14
Marlamoe.....THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!

I am now progressing quite nicely..........at least, for the moment.

Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Rosie on Mon 31/10/2005 00:57:07
NoOne
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You dont go through a door to get to the king.....Just walk to the right past the queen and you will get to see the king
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Rosie on Mon 31/10/2005 01:33:59
I FEEL LIKE SUCH A FOOL. CAN'T BELIEVE IT WAS THAT EASY

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I just had the number,letter mixed up.....made a lot of headway......
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: i k a r i on Mon 31/10/2005 04:17:35
Quote from: Wretched on Mon 31/10/2005 00:52:32
Yes the dulpicate inventory items is a bug, but should not stop you completing the game. Has been fixed, but no need to redownload unless you really want to.
So what about us?...are you going to help us?  ;D
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Joyce on Mon 31/10/2005 05:22:19
I finally got those doors to open.
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I interacted with them and went straight back out and talked to guard and this time it worked, maybe I did something else in between before and thats why it wouldn't work. I have progressed a lot, thank goodness.
Figured out the wax, fish, whistle thing and found the precious stone  If anybody is still stuck with this part hopefully I will remember lol
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Stefano on Mon 31/10/2005 12:45:35
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fish? Precisous stone? Whistle?
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I have none of these! Please enlighten us, oh, bright Joyce! ;D
No, seriously... plese tell me what's the next step after I get:
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wax, sword, badge, flower, string, rope.
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I'm stuck in this part since yesterday morning...
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Mon 31/10/2005 12:52:03
Stefano

See a couple of posts up, from Marlamoe
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Black Pawn: Remember, there are (2) knights and (2) Bishops.....
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Let me know if I need to elaborate.......
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Stefano on Mon 31/10/2005 13:37:46
 :o Oh... ok. It was an easy one, heh?
Thanks a lot Fisher.
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Now I'm trying to get the Raven to fetch the stone or something...
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Joyce on Mon 31/10/2005 14:18:08
Glad to see you are back on track Stefano
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: i k a r i on Mon 31/10/2005 14:51:43
O_O...it was that???
Thx Fisher!..
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Mon 31/10/2005 15:15:44
Hi guys and gals, Just to forewarn you that there is a particually nasty crash late on in the game. It is get roundable if you do the correct things, so keep your saves upto date. or update. Thanks.
p.s. Big thanks for your patience regarding bugs, and for bringing my game to life.
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: i k a r i on Mon 31/10/2005 16:47:56
Isn't "checkmate puzzle 3" impossible?....Just checking..
I can't solve it!..I've lost my break at work trying to do it...and I just don't get it...any help? (I red the hint)
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: marlamoe on Mon 31/10/2005 18:25:01
Okay, I can't figure out checkmate puzzle 7.Ã,  Since it crashes with every wrong move, I am getting very frustrated.Ã,  Any help would be appreciated.Ã,  I also have not figured out number 3.Ã, 

Nevermind.  Just figured it out and finished the game.  Bravo.  I loved this game.  It is on my list of favorites.
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Nikolas on Mon 31/10/2005 18:43:34
I could use a hint on where to use the following:
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whistle: I use it on the Raven and it goes away, but nothing. String I use it to the fish. Nothing after that. Fish/Fish with string?
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Help...

PS. Marlamoe saved the day I think! Thank you
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Mon 31/10/2005 18:47:10
Checkmate #3 is possible.
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: marlamoe on Mon 31/10/2005 18:47:57
Quote from: Nikolas on Mon 31/10/2005 18:43:34
I could use a hint on where to use the following:
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whistle: I use it on the Raven and it goes away, but nothing. String I use it to the fish. Nothing after that. Fish/Fish with string?
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Help...

PS. Marlamoe saved the day I think! Thank you

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Ã, string, fish, wax, stump Ã, 
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Stefano on Mon 31/10/2005 21:42:06
Ha! Finished it!
Cool game. Not half as dificult as Crave, but it's a really nice one.
How can you make games so fast, Wretched?  ;D

Cheers!
Stefano
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: i k a r i on Mon 31/10/2005 21:58:13
OK Done..it wasn't easy!...GREAT game, thank you!
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Nikolas on Mon 31/10/2005 22:01:11
Done! Finished! Thanks everybody!
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: IM NOT TEH SPAM on Tue 01/11/2005 01:32:16
I'm stuck...
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I got the raven to take the items from the tree stump, but don't know where to go from here.  Help?
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Rosie on Tue 01/11/2005 02:12:27
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did you put your hand in the tree stump again to see if there is anything in there?  When you get it, who was asking for it?  Then you will begin 7 new games.  Have fun
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: IM NOT TEH SPAM on Tue 01/11/2005 02:37:58
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yes, I tried using the hand on the tree stump, but he simply says "Ugh drat too short, what was it that I saw?"  Did I do something in the wrong order here or what?
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EDIT: never mind.  Thanks for your help
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: i k a r i on Tue 01/11/2005 13:22:48
No you didn't do anything in the wrong order..
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Black Pawn: Did you talk with the 2 knights and the 2 bishops? (remember positions)...If you did, read below:

Why don't you try to use something to attract the raven into the tree?...more hints below:

something you have to make out of 3 elements..
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Tue 01/11/2005 20:19:54
I am circling around again :(
It was said:
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Black Pawn: Did you talk with the 2 knights and the 2 bishops? (remember positions)...

Well, where do you find the second one? Behind the door is only one. The king doesn't want to see me anymore. I have got a string, a sword, a ball of wax and the D7 thing. The white has got a rope and still the flowers.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Tue 01/11/2005 22:07:38
NoOne,

Trouble with Knights and Bishops?
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Remember how you opened the door to the knight and bishop? Well, think about the positions of the (2) knights and (2) bishops.....if you got in the door opened once, you can do it again.....maybe the password is slightly different...
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Tue 01/11/2005 22:25:59
Quote from: Fisher on Tue 01/11/2005 22:07:38
NoOne,

Trouble with Knights and Bishops?

Dear me, this is so simple I feel really stupid now! Thanks for the hint! :) :(
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Wed 02/11/2005 15:38:24
Help!!!!!! ??? I am stuck on the black queen's third test. I have completed the other ones.  All I have left is the 2 rooks and the bishop (white squares). Every time I land on one of them I get defeated. How do I beat the test?
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: miryoku_81 on Thu 03/11/2005 00:07:18
For puzzle #3

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I cannot quote you the exact moves as I have already completed that portion of the game and can't replay it again.Ã,  Resist your temptation to capture the pawns.Ã,  The bishop should be moved so that it will be able to attack the king if it is forced to move by the rook.Ã,  The movement of the rook takes 2 steps: move it across the bottom of the screen first and then move it in a position so it is right next to the king at the top of the screen.Ã,  That should be enough info for you to figure it out.
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If anyone has completed puzzle #7 (it keeps crashing on me - so annoying) I would appreciate some help.
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: i k a r i on Thu 03/11/2005 01:30:24
miryoku
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I'm not sure if this is the puzzle you are talking about, but if it is the one you have to checkmate the king with one move, keep reading...


only the bravest knight can beat the king
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: miryoku_81 on Thu 03/11/2005 05:25:43
Quote from: i k a r i on Thu 03/11/2005 01:30:24
miryoku
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I'm not sure if this is the puzzle you are talking about, but if it is the one you have to checkmate the king with one move, keep reading...


only the bravest knight can beat the king
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Excellent, that was the answer to my question - thank you so much, ikari!  I didn't realize that was the last puzzle in the game.
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Fri 04/11/2005 01:59:03
I cant find out the password for the doors. Which of the two knights or bishops do i need to know it??? i tried it in every possible way but always it says its the wrong password.
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Rosie on Fri 04/11/2005 04:11:04
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on the chess board are spaces from A-H and on these spaces are the pieces that play the game....There are two knights and two bishops in the game.  So what squares are they on?  going across the  board it goes like this: castle, Knight, Bishop, Queen, King, Bishop, Knight and castle. Then you have spaces from 1-8  I will give you one hint.  They are all on row 8. So you have to figure out the sequence (eg. C8)

Hope this helps you out without telling you too much
If you need more of a hint, please ask me.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sat 05/11/2005 05:28:25
 i tried, the white kights, bishop... the black ones, there their start positions and there positions at the end of the game. I tried to type only the position of one, of both... but i always get the message that i typed it wrong...
I guess i am just to stupid to understand how it works...
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Sat 05/11/2005 08:49:43
Schnubbel,
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When you are in the chess games, look at an empty square, this will tell you how to type the passwords.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sun 06/11/2005 05:42:52
Thanks Wretched, i got it... sorry i am a bit slow...
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: jane on Tue 08/11/2005 14:31:46
Sorry to be so dumb but how does the black pawn transfer things?  I think I must pass the rope up but please a clue on how to do that

jane x
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Tue 08/11/2005 15:31:43
Please help, im stuck;
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Got as far with the white pawn i think i can for now (played games for all players and dropped sorwd down well, - although dont know who to give fruit to,) and am now black pawn. Have got the sword and played games for the castle, but now cant get in any rooms inside and dont know what to do next. Have tried looking at the stump, and using sword with it but nothing happens, and the sword is all the black pawn is carrying at the moment.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Tue 08/11/2005 15:37:42
Jane,
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As black pawn go into the cave. Then use white pawn to lower rope into well, now Black pawn us objects on rope to give to white pawn.
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ggp,
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You need to try to open every door in the black castle, then talk to the Black Rook.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Wed 09/11/2005 09:55:10
Wrethched;
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As far as i know i have tried to open every door....theres one either side when you go in, and ive gone straight on to the mountain type screen, but it wont let me go through the first tunnel bit ?
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Wed 09/11/2005 09:59:43
ggp,
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Try a bit harder at the tunnel (you mean the right hand side tower on the mountain/castle screen), you can go through it onto the upper level. Try clicking on the tower so the pawn walks inside the tunnel, not actually on the tunnel opening.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: jane on Wed 09/11/2005 14:11:59
Thanks wretched I didn't realise there were 2 ropes.  I have 87 and 58 points, and can't progress any further. I've tried passing melted candle, rope etc across please a wee hint.
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Wed 09/11/2005 14:19:40
Jane,
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I can't remember the scores what items do you have?
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Wed 09/11/2005 15:55:25
I keep finding myself at a loss as to know what im supposed to be doing next in this game. Please help;
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My white pawn has completed everyones tests and has a flower pot. I dont know what im supposed to do next with him, but he's not allowed on thebattle field yet.
My black pawn has the sword from the white pawn, a piece of rope, half a candle and has passed all the tests and has his badge so he can fight in the battle.
What do i do next ? Thanks,
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: cittymom on Wed 09/11/2005 17:11:18
ggp,
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Have you already gone through the black bishop's and black knight's doors TWICE? (using different passcodes since there are two on a game board)   Have you worked on the stump puzzle and found what was in it?
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: IM NOT TEH SPAM on Wed 09/11/2005 17:12:22
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Did you try talking to the critter in the cave, or at least kicking him until he says something useful?  Mabye you can get him to talk some sense...
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Wed 09/11/2005 17:14:44
Thanks both for your help, but;
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The black pawn has his pass to play in the war....its the white pawn i just dont know what to do with next ?
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: cittymom on Wed 09/11/2005 17:21:59
ggp,
I am still unsure of what all you have already done..... but here are some other questions:
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Have you given sword back to white pawn?  Has he given it back to white knight?
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Wed 09/11/2005 17:29:45
Citymom;
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The black pawn has; fish with rope round it, whistle, badge to play in war, candle, and sword. The white pawn just has a flower. I don't know how to give anything to the white pawn....and also dont know how to help the spider man.....leaving work now. Will try again tomorrow.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: IM NOT TEH SPAM on Wed 09/11/2005 17:51:38
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Talk to the rook and tell him about the sword.  He'll give you a rope, and use it on the well.  If the black pawn is in the cave, he'll see the rope and attatch items to (any but the sword)
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Thu 10/11/2005 09:44:03
King_Nipper;
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Ive tried speaking to the knight, rook and bishop about the sword, but when i try to talk to them he just says 'Bye.' So ive no idea how to get the rope for the white pawn ?
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Thu 10/11/2005 09:47:40
ggp,
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Take a look down the well.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Thu 10/11/2005 10:56:30
Thanks for your help everytone, ive finished. Good idea for a game, although;
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I was very dissapointed that you didn't get to play an actual game of chess at the end!
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: jane on Thu 10/11/2005 14:41:22
Help please.  I have handed the sword back, and the white pawn has played some check mate games but when I go to the black pawn I can't do anything.  The white rook has blocked my path and keeps saying to hand the sword back - but I have done - is this a bug?
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Thu 10/11/2005 14:51:41
jane,
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Yes, sorry, I've had a look and if you give the sword back before trying to exit the cave then your bug will happen. You will have to go back to a save in the cave, before you give the sword back then try to exit the cave before you give the sword to the rope. Will fix.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Thu 10/11/2005 15:31:03
Hi, don't know if this has been answered before, but I simply didn't find the answer in the whole thread:

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How do I pass back the sword from the black to the white pawn? I can pass all other objects (except the badge; but I don't assume, that I have to pass this), but the black pawn simply doesn't want to give the sword away...
Also I don't know, how to get this shining object out from the stump... Could somebody please tell me? Or is this in some way the solution to my question before?
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I'm stuck now, have played all the chess-puzzles of white and black, and simply don't know what to do now.

Thanks,
christian
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Thu 10/11/2005 15:45:51
Sozi;
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You wont be able to give the sword away untill you've given something to the spider man blokey in the cave. He keeps asking for something.....
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Bigger hint;
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The thing the spider man blokey wants is in the stump.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: IM NOT TEH SPAM on Thu 10/11/2005 16:08:13
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You don't need to do anything else with the black pawn once you hand back the sword, he has no need to leave the cave.  Once you finished all of the checkmates, ask rook about any other mates and the chess game should start.  It's the way I did it.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: jane on Thu 10/11/2005 17:11:11
Am absolutely stuck on check mate 2 puzzle - the one with checkmate in 5 moves and the black king on H4 ..........anyone throw some light on this one please
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: IM NOT TEH SPAM on Thu 10/11/2005 17:26:09
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The black king's up against the wall, so all you really have to do is make it so he can't go forward in any way.  You shouldn't put the king in check right away, otherwise you'll lose the advantage of having him at the wall.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Thu 10/11/2005 20:59:11
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Yes, I know about that bloody thing in the stump. But how do I get that out? The black pawn always keeps saying he is to short. Also I've tried all my inventory-items, nothing works. Can I do anything with the melt wax? or with the fish with rope?
Also, what is the wistle for? I can use it in front of the raven and he flies away. But that doesn't change anything.
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Obviously I am too dumb to understand all those hints... I think I really need a BIG hint now, or even a step-by-step solution...

bye,
christian
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Thu 10/11/2005 21:01:50
jane,
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There are a few ways to do this, but the easiest is to just walk the two rooks up the board, continually checking the King until he is stuck at the top edge when it'll be checkmate.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Thu 10/11/2005 21:06:35
sozi, you are so close, your spoiler practically solves the problem.
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Send fish with string, to white pawn, then attach melted wax to fish. Give back to black pawn. and use on stump, then scare raven. You will then need to find red thing, but you'll know when you're warm.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Thu 10/11/2005 21:13:58
Thanks, wretched, I got it!

By the way: Really great game :)
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: jane on Fri 11/11/2005 20:43:37
Thanks for all your help.............definitely think I'll stick with draughts  ;D
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Mon 28/11/2005 22:58:27
On the c8 bisop test, I only know 2 of 6. Can someone give me the space codes for
the rest of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? :-* :-* :-* :-* :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Thu 16/02/2006 01:12:19
how do i get the fish ? and where ?
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Thu 16/02/2006 01:25:07
el dog,
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The fish is given to the black pawn when he completes one of the two black knights (or bishops, I forget) tests.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Thu 16/02/2006 02:39:46
Quote from: Wretched on Thu 16/02/2006 01:25:07
el dog,
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The fish is given to the black pawn when he completes one of the two black knights (or bishops, I forget) tests.
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sorry, i've already finished the game...i guess my brain is kinda slow sometimes, but i did it alone.

thanks for the help anyway


Great Game (in high school i used to be in the chess team...yes, i'm a geek)
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sat 20/05/2006 19:23:02
Did the thing with the stump, the raven took it and flew off, now what? The raven is gone and so is what he took.
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Sat 20/05/2006 20:44:05
Kaerius,
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Desert.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Thu 08/06/2006 22:35:22
I had the black pawn attach the rope to the fish first.
How do I attach the wax?
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Thu 08/06/2006 22:56:49
Mac,
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You'll need to pass the fish and wax up to the white pawn. Go to the desert as white pawn, (right of house) to melt the wax.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Fri 09/06/2006 05:43:47
I've got the wax melted but neither of the pawns can attach the wax to the fish. Is that because I foolishly tied the fish to the string first?
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Fri 09/06/2006 07:07:40
Mac,
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Only the white pawn can use the melted wax on the fish+string. Note the wax hardens again if you drop it into the water.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Fri 09/06/2006 17:56:43
Aha, looks like I need a trip to the desert again...
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Fri 09/06/2006 18:25:00
*growl* I'm stuck on the pawn puzzle in the cave (example 7) I can't manage it in 10 moves. I need to capture with the queen (2 moves) then move across the board with the pawn (another 5) then move the resulting knight to the coin (4 moves). What am I missing?
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Fri 09/06/2006 18:34:51
Mac,
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A Queen sacrifice.
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Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Fri 09/06/2006 19:39:59
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Doh! I can't believe I missed that. (wouldn't that allow the blac pawn to en-passant)
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Thanks for your timely responses
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: Wretched on Fri 09/06/2006 19:47:56
Good point! I'll fix that right away.
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: clydevalley on Fri 13/07/2007 15:42:20
Hi there :)

I know Fisher said the the woodworm game is trial and error, but I have been at it a whole afternoon, and I've just about had enough.  I just CAN'T do this puzzle no matter which tactic I try.  Can someone pleaseee give me chess board directions, so I can complete this woodworm game.  I am a chess player and can understand  board shorthand (c6 b2 etc etc), If you put it this way for me, I'll be able to understand it and be able to pass this puzzle.  OR if there's any cheats to get me past it, that will do.

Thanks, Meg, Scotland, UK
Title: Re: Zugzwang
Post by: on Sun 17/02/2008 14:02:06
Okay I FINALLY Passed the woodworm puzzle and am now ( as black pawn) ready to go in and see the King (for badge etc).  However, after passing all the other pieces puzzles they set me, I CAN'T manage the queens puzzle, to capture ALL the pieces to get the (one) coin.  This is totally impossible.  First you HAVE to take the white queen (with your black Knight.........your one and only piece to play with), after that you are supposed to capture two  white rooks and two bishops.

This is totally impossible, no move you can make without getting captured is of any use whatsoever.

Please, Please, send me through a spoiler to get me passed this puzzle, so I can go in and finally see the king.  This puzzle is NOT trial and error, there MUST be a solution.

Meg, Scotland, UK