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Sorry I lashed out Helm, but it was a personal attack. Would you feel at ease if I said I thought your art was unoriginal and I really don't like it. That the whole thing was a depressing concept but you'll make it big because you're "marketable"? I can take criticism sure, but the way you said it was not remotley constructive and came across entirely as a personal jab. Image having this one piece of art you've been sketching and redrawing, always trying to improve it and doing a final version, only to have someone say it's not really worth it. Can you see where I'm coming from?

Helm, as much as I usually respect you, fuck you. The idea is not making it big, sure, that'd be fun, but the idea is making good original music, and you just took a giant swipe at something I have put lots of time and effort into. If you don't want to say something constructive, then just shut the fuck up, alright?

Thanks guys It's quite a good feeling hearing all this positive feedback. The track convinced a friend of ours to join as a full time drummer. And today after school we worked on him learning the drums to that song and getting some stuff down for other tracks. This saturday we're going in to recording another song I'll let you know when it's up!
Cheers,
-Cameron

Thanks Pablo, I'm glad you liked it And any comparison to Jimi Hendrix can't be a bad thing!

Hey everyone,
I'm just really proud of this so I wanted to show it off. Yesterday my band went into the studio for the first time ever, we've done demo's in my crap little home set up, but this was in a pro studio. It was amazing to work in there all day and it was so worth it, so please have a listen and tell me what you think.
http://www.myspace.com/mysterymachinetheband
Song we recorded in studio is called The Tree Song.
Cheers,
-Cameron

Orator: I wasnt stating they would change you entirely, I just mean that they are a part of you. It's like saying blonde hair is wrong and you hate it. That hair color doesn't define the person, but you still hate a part of who they are.
Steel Drummer: It' doesn't seem unnatural. If people are in love, who cares what sex they are. I'm bi-sexual, so you're saying that a part of me is wrong and you hate me. It's not a choice I made. It's who I am. What's more natural than a human being?

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Thats SUCH a christian tone to be taking. Sitting up above us mocking us all. Doesn't Christianity teach you to be accepting of others? A religion is part of who someone is, so yes, you do hate them. You hate an integral part of them. Sexuality is not a choice, you don't just wake up and think "hmm... you know what? I think I'll be gay," it's just something that you are. It is a part of who you are. So, you do hate them as well.
Christianity is meant to spread a message of love, so far you've stated you hate two large portions of the world, and you also want to stop love between gays and polygamist.
A good solid day of god's work is done.

Edit: Steel, we aren't condeming. You are. You've condemned every religion, different sexualities and lifestyles.

... The true purpose of sex is not gone if you're not marrying that person. You're sharing yourself with a person you love, in the course of your life you can love more than one person, and sex with them will be just as special. And if you wait for sex til after marriage it wont be more joyful, it'll most likely be dissapointing and painful. There are precautions for STDs. The fact that I enjoy pre-marital sex does not mean I'm some kind of slutty guy that runs around having sex with everyone and everything. People can be happy together, have you studied any cases of polygamy? I haven't but I'm sure there will be cases where people are happy, and there will be some that aren't. But why put a stop to those that work? And you're also ruling out gay and lesbian marriages, which I think should also be allowed. You're saying love between anything other than one man and one woman is impossible, I think you're horribly wrong on this point. Swearing does not make me naive, and I apolagise for that swearing, but you frustrate me. Everyone is made in the image of god. God sins? God can be gay, lesbian, bi-sexual? If everyone is a part of his image than there must be those sides to god. God planned out everyones lives according to your religion, so he planned gays. So this "perversion" is god's will.

For fucks sake SD, pardon the swearing but you are amazingly frustrating. You come of as so naive, and there is quite a "holier than thou" attitude coming off of you (quite appropriate phrase that). You've chosen your belief and you look down on everyone else posting in this thread as backwards fools that believe in "mumbo-jumbo." Sure we might share the same beliefs, but most of the people here have been willing to discuss what they believe, where as you just shut yourself off and leave a bad impression of what religious people are like. And you're saying my morals are loose? Because my morals allow for people that are in love to live happy lives? You astound me! Christianity is meant to show a message of love? Is this only a conditional message?

EDIT: And the crusades arent the only holy wars. Anyone remember this little war we're having called Iraq: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article317805.ece

Johnny Depp. He's done some great films, he's an amazing actor, and hot. He seems totally mental as well, so hanging out outta be fun. I could ask him about Hunter S. Thompson and stuff.

(some Islamic countries even allow polygamy).

You say that as if it's intended to be shocking. To me it's not shocking, I personally am not interested in polygamy, but if someone is in love with more than one person and they can find a working relationship between the 3 people involved (or more) than why stop them? Also, the Koran states that if more than one wive would cause trouble or unease than the man should stay with just one wife. It's not like polygamy is compulsory.

Okay, maybe not spiritual, but 8/10 posts I've read (in this thread) have held views condemning organized religion and God.

And 10/10 posts of yours are coming off as condemning science and other religions.

I don't have a liberal mind because I don't agree with the postmodern view of 'all religions are equal, and all gods can save you'.

That is not at all what a liberal mind is about. It's not about saying all religions will save you, a liberal mind is just about accepting people for who they are no matter what their belief system or lifestyle. Being open minded and caring is what constitutes a liberal mind.

Same with gays. I got the forums in an uproar a while back when I said I hated gays. I don't hate them I hate their lifestyle.

Someones lifestyle is a part of who they are, so to me, it just appears you hate them.

I don't care about 'getting it right', because I'll never believe that perverted theology anyways. The reason that so many of you believe in evolution is not because of your own free thought, it's because it was taught in schools. You say that I'm not thinking on my own, just because I was born in a Christian nation, but the same can be said of you and evolution.

See my above mention of your posts condemning. I grew up a christian, learning science and religion. I was taught religion more than science, but I see more truth in science. And you come off as amazingly naive with this remark.

That's all I have to say for now really, everything else I'm thinking, others have summed up.

I used to be a Christian. I just went along with it for a long time because that's what I was supposed to do. After a while there was just too much that didnt sit right with me, like the hypocrisy of so many "good" christians and some terrible contradictions in what they preach. One I still can't get my head around is them saying that we all have free will to do as we please, believe in god or not, and they also say god planned out everyone's life. Now I'm quite happy as an athiest, if anything, my life got better after I stopped going to church and my youth group. After finishing with those groups I actually got a lot of personal problems sorted out, now I'm not suggesting that'd work for everyone, it's just my story. I go to Christian College, which has actually left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth in regards to religion. At a camp in year 8, my girlfriend and her friend got told during a church service that they were going to hell because they didnt believe in god. Not only is this unfair, it's also a ridiculous way to encourage people to believe. In year 9 we had an amazingly naive preacher who told us that evolution was not real, and at that time some scientists had some new discovery (I can't remember it now) which my friend brought up, to which he responded "They made that up" with no further elaboration. That was his argument and he was sticking to it. I can remember whenever we got talks about pre-marital sex at school or at church/youth group, pretty much everyone said they weren't going to. I can tell you that most of them did, but still hold up the facade of being "pure". I think, although you may see it as a sin, it's one of the most beautiful and fulfilling things in life, to share that closeness to someone you care for and love, and everyone should enjoy that time with their loved one as much as they can. Now to sum this all up, I'm just putting in my 2 cents about religion. I'm pretty happy with the idea that the world is a fluke and that we should enjoy life to it's fullest as, for want of a less cheesy phrase, masters of our own destiny.

Just finished playing MediEvil: Ressurection, was great fun. Now I'm playing Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories, which is to be honest, quite bad. The stories games have fine missions, but they are just poorly written with undeveloped characters and storylines that feel like they go nowhere.

Well the image of Scooby Doo kind of works for us, being a psychedelic band. Originally we thought it'd be a good nod to a cartoon we love as well as being something the audience can automatically relate to, but now I just feel, considering it's quite obvious name sake that it makes us seem a bit unoriginal. I never really thought of it sounding remotely metal, nor like it should have 80s synth drums. We're long haired guys that play a lot of psychedelic stuff, having grown up on our parents record collections, although we all listened to different stuff, myself to Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Frank Zappa. Josh mostly on Genisis and Pink Floyd, and Evan on The Beatles and The Doors. So we have some pretty neat influences, and you can hear how they come together to create an original sound, the influences are there but it's not too derivative. So the name Mystery Machine and it's image fit, but I thought we could have done better, something original and less jokey. The other names we've been bouncing around are Mansfield, Mary's Sister, Watchers Of The Sky and Cheap Party.
And to answer Modgeulator, yes we are

Hey guys,
I've been talking some things over with my band in regards to our name, which is currently Mystery Machine, now myself and one guitarist believe this to be a bit immature, seeming like a band kids would be in and wouldn't be taken seriously. I personally believe you'd need buisness people to take you seriously to make it, however the other guitarist seems to think that making it based purely on music and how good it is, and the name should just be something you like and that music is all about not taking yourself too seriously. I'm just wondering what you all think? Is a name all that important or is it purely down to the music you make?
-Cameron

Thanks Cobra, I've just worked on correcting the perspective following your guidelines very closely. I think it looks quite a lot better now.

Today I decided that I don't care if it becomes a community series or not, I'm really proud of the writing I did, and I always had trouble getting an artist on board, so I've decided to do it myself as well as I can. This is Richard Merck's, the main character, PI office.

Crits, Comments and Paintovers welcomed 
-Cameron

The idea of having another series where people can freely contribute has been attempted. By me. I failed miserably. The setting was rather different, the entire tone as well. With new people fiding AGS, RON can be a training ground, but if they arent interested in comedy it can kill that option, that's why I wanted to create a darker more adult based series for those of that persuasion. I'm not good at gameplay writing so I wrote an extended cut scene that would be made to create interest and get others involved. However art is also not my forte, as in, below par even for a RON style game. I've had about 15 different artists join and quit. But, if anyone is interested, let me know. You can have the script and rework it or use it as it is. I'd really like to see it made, but at the moment I don't have the time or spirit to continue it.
-Cameron

I traced the shape of the head and did rough outlines of the facial features, this was more to experiment with shading rather than shape. I'll try sharpen the lips, thats the thing that to me seems to give it the more feminine appearance.
This is the reference I used: http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/14-04-06_2311.jpg

UPDATE

Here's the picture with sharpened lips, and less lipstick like coloring, I think it's improved the general look, does he look a bit less feminine now?

Spent quite a while on this, it's not the nude figure, this is based off a photo of my friend Evan, I just used it to practice shading, I'm pretty happy with the jacket and the hair, and I think my skin shading is a bit better, anyway, I'm not the pro, so tell me what you guys think.


Edit: More contrast on skin.