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Titles are annouced before they are released. It happens with movies, too. Every time Disney announces a new title, every fly-by-night animation studio out there tries to cash in by releasing their own version of, say, Aladdin, direct-to-video before Disney's hits the theater. And it happens with video games as well. I've worked at three game companies over the years and I know what development meetings are like; titles and features that other companies have announced are often part of the insipiration discussions.

So basically, whoever announce their title first are original? Conceptwise, both DAH and STZ give you a protagonist which more or less wipes out entire cityblocks of puny earthlings/walking dinners. If the similarities also would be that the opponent is placed within military bases, well it is not exactly the first time that has happened. Did DAH ripoff Area 51? Or is it the cheeky humour that makes STZ a veritable copy of DAH? Heck, both games are ripoffs of Postal since that also clearly features a protagonist whacking people into smitherins. And on more than one occasion are these people accompanied by military resources.

An announcement incorporates not much more than a concept. This is the game, you will play this and that. Gameplay features, level design, obstacle design, technical specifications, storyline etc etc is not part of an announcement, they're trying to sell you a game that does not exist yet, and even if gameplay seem alike in the final products, there is no way in hell anyone could rip off what they do not know about.

It's the postmodern world at its best. Everything has been done and will be redone again. Films, movies, whatever. I know that people want to cash in at other big titles; but a game development usually tries to stand out in one way or another, even though concepts may be very much alike. I can't honestly see how STZ would be a ripoff of DAH merely because the concepts and/or gameplay are similar, since the production time were more or less simultaneously.

Giana Sisters, now THAT is a ripoff, since it merely exchanged the protagonist, but kept gameplay, leveldesign, palettes, general feel etc etc..

1: Leave burning footprints (UXmen is hilarious)
2: By forming a religious suicide cult. Much easier to manage if only you are the world.
3: Ka-ching!

1: Why did you feel you had to participate in this?
2: Favourite snack?
3: Have you ever shoplifted?

"Sorry dear, not tonight, I have my bra on.."

It'll give the partner headaches for sure..

Firstly, not only can male nipples lactate, but it is a natural result, not a hormonal feet, of a newborn craving nourishment. Yes, males can breastfeed their offspring, however, females have a slightly easier time since the lactacion has allready started during the last stages of pregnancy. Males need some time of probable sour and painful sucking exercises to get their nipplejuices flowing.

Secondly, nipples revolve fully, and tweaking is therefor not only useless but may also serve as practicing your turntable skills.

Thirdly, unlike white-hot serrated knife cutting, nipples do grow back if shredded off by being thrusted headfirst along a gravel road in a sense much like Klinnesmann's goal gesture. If sensitivity is affected, I can however not bare witness of, since the aformentioned act took place some years before such experience were gained. But missing nipples do look very amusing, I can tell you that.

Now, how could anyone find this thread useless?!

How can you assume a game to be in a specific way based on the title designs, and then be dissapointed when this turns out untrue? It's a mere mental construction of your own wishes, you can't blame AD's for making material with resemblance to classic games of a specific genre. Gee!

Well, I have played it, and I found it to be quite stupid. I mean, not only is it a rip-off of Destroy All Humans, but it's not even a good rip-off.

How can it rip off DAH when that title is a mere child itself. A title is in production for years, you can't rip off what you do not know exist. Would you consider DAH be a ripoff of STZ if that were released first?

I used to do a demo whenever I had finished that part. I usually make a game in chronological (ie. playing order) so it was easy to just make a compile and present it. Now, I would act a bit more conscious, deciding on what to show and how to show it. I also make a copy of my game and delete everything not used, with emphasis on graphics and rooms. Gfx = memory usage. No need for a 6 meg compile if 5 of those consists opf material not used.

That said, demos are good for LARGE productions, and I do mean large. Never ever demo a short game. If your playtime totals at 30 minutes knowing what to do, why bother making a demo of it?

Chicky: Metric system if you don't mind. I could gain about 10 kilos though and start looking healthy. Start cutting and PM me for the adress to send it to.

voh: Somehow, one million shouting in german is very frightening or very very entertaining.

Timosity: A cool 24C? Dude, that's horrible! I have a horribly warm room here, it is practically 17C. Thankfully, you can open the window and let in a chilling breeze. And I do wear but a t-shirt. It is the viking inheritage acting up again, I dunno how I survived Greece.

A joyful new year to you all; and a somewhat near death experience to make you appreciate living againss!

My resolution is to gain weight. Silly 'innit? It is true though.

Error message for new years day:

"Yet another year has gone by, and you still have not released your game.. starting to feel the pressure yet? All that time wasted, all those strained relationships, the sore head and abused keyboard. The struggle with graphics only to see Ignac 2 released the very next day. Why even bother? Why do you even care?

..yes, that's right. Because of faith and love! God bless you!"

Beyond Good or Evil.

It is truly a storytelling gaming masterpiece. I have yet to come upon something forcing me to play continuosly for 13 hours straight and evading all night sleep.

Shining Force

Gem on the Genesis/Megadrive. I was small, and felt a knot in my stomach whenever someone of my party died on the battlefield. They were all so true and genuine in my heart. They were real. Now when I play it, I have become a cynical bastard and coldly sacrifice my fighters by pure strategic calculations and laugh about whenever Arthur hits the dust. Bloody wanker. But Lowe and Hans must not die. Never!

Sonic the Hedgehog

Do you not just HATE the underwater scenarios? Did you not fear everytime you came upon Labyrinth Zone? Did you not amediatly got so wired and stressed by the horrid drowning tune and countdown that your face turned into a fearsome grimace of misery. Drowning in Sonic is the worst way to die.. ever..

Well the symbolism is rather clear, but I wonder more how it ties with the window. Giving appearance, the window shapes and colors is very emo, pain and suburban hell - if it constitutes of presenting the unseen voices of society or connect to the riots of France, fine, but as far as I can see, the free music project is not about that, and thus the design misses out on other pieces of the scene.

The face is great on it's own, you could easily make a flat color or some graphic trash to spice up the composition instead of the window. I like how you cut away the eyes, they always steal the attention otherwise

The wounds are a bit generic, the pure black value is rather unappropriate, you could work with dark reds and blues for a punction effect. The current values are good on the shadowy side, but less appropriate where it is highlighted. Bear in mind that a stitch like that would not be a hole but rather a mark in the flesh as it will close as soon as the thread has been removed. You could also vary the wounds, they can not be all neat. Also, the thread does not follow the shapes of the lips, try to use the defined shapes and distort them such as the lips are tightly strung together. This is not easy, infact it is hard as hell, but if you pull it off, you can definatly assume you
ve buffed up your PS skills!

Actually, most things comes in threes, whether they are good or bad. "An accident is seldom alone" etc

The good news it that it could have been worse; the numeric obsession could have relyed solely on sevens instead!

Wasn't there some Great General King of Sweden who was an incredible strategist, but stupidly (heroicly?) lead his army in a charge and got himself killed?

There has been a few kings copping it at the battlefields. Either you think of Gustav Adolf (of some number) who bit the dust in the 30 year war, or Karl XII who got shot in the head. In Norway! What a way to die..

Personally, I do sympathise with leading your troops. Sure, it may be a waste of strategic masterminds if they get 100 pounds of led in the gut, but war is not very resonable in the first place.

Yes, well topics are impossble to keep. But I think we've reached the unevitable agreement on disagreement

Yes, this is a community, and within lies common sense, something derived from the experience of user throughout severeal years. It is not over-analysing; it is mere analysing to seek definitions of things we hold as true. I personally loathe the usage of the word "over-analysing" since it implies that questions are driven further than they should. Why? What is feared?

Yes, this forum have rules, but what I questioned was not the rules but the interpretation of said. Since the rules of the Gen-Gen define value as well thought, interesting and/or helpful - Ã, completely subjective terms defined by common sense - the actual value of started threads are non-existant until someone read and judge it [worthy to reply].

About your example: Common sense does not state that that game does not exist because quite frankly, when do games start to exist while in production? During the pre-production stage? When the plot is thought out? This thread is not suitable based on the 1:st fault, namely that 2 screenshots are required. This is an objective rule and thus easy to follow and maintain.

By all means, common sense is when you stop thinking and go by autopilot.

Quite frankly, due to my nationality, I can not see how I could kill a man by any reason to prove my will and dedication. I have not the slightest amount of patriotism other than an obscene giggling pride of anything wellknown to be originated from Sweden.

While in combat, I would strife for survival. I'd kill, maim and gut whatever I had in order to achieve this.

To blast someone away and if I did not I would be considered a traitor and executed - sure, I'd kill him without even thinking the least on his family, nor less my guilt in it.

However, if I would be able to survive while refusing, I'd refuse.

My moral and ethical beliefs tend to be of nihilism or Laveyistic beliefs, thus the above statement is not in regard of the prisoner itself, but only of my own feelings of commiting murder. I couldn't care less of him unless I knew him and held him dear, and even then, his feelings and misery would never be considered - but rather my own for losing a dear friend.

Nikolas: You did read the initial post did you not? You got flamed because you brought up a specific forumite within your post, not whether you defended him or not. It was by all means with love. About 50% of the posters in this thread got it.

"As for common sense, it's common, it does not need definitions. As I said in my first post, most people seem to tend to agree on certain things. This is common sense... (in a generall sense)..."

Everything needs definition. To reflect upon yourself is crucial to avoid unnecessary harm. Whenever we see sociocultural occurances as unquestionable truths, we risk prejudice, intolerance and quite frankly; suffering. The fact that common sense very inbetween countries clearly state that common sense is only common within a community, not something of actual objective value. Just because a majority of the commune agree does not mean that it is of good or bad, only of democratic choice.

RickJ: That was my intention Just wait until your 60..

Barbarian: So it gets larger? Despite any lumpiness, that HAS to be good, right?

Nikolas: Yes you are. As stated in the initial post, all posts trying to debate Fluke will be PM-flamed to avoid Fluke-debating.  Also, common sense is something noone can define, so how can someone possible try to achieve it if lacking the aformentioned?

DG: You can see it like this: Is life interesting or pointless? I'm a nihilist so for me, value is pointless in itself. That might further explain my view and argument.

RickJ: What the hell do you mean?! I know everything!! I'm bloody 21!! I've seen it all!! And you resemble Ghormak to me..

Guybrush: No, Jesus spoketh himself that though shall be tolerant and bend over. Interest hath nothing to do with the acceptance of threading. No, hear the words of the great enlightment: "There is no interest.."

Also, regaring Andails acitvities with furniture, you should be glad you did not attend Mittens! My God, those images will forever be burned into my eyes.

I know friends that's were into it, but I don't like miniatures so much at all. Also, I just peeked into the rulebook before realising I didn't even want to pretend to try and understand them.. Yikes indeed..

I liked the Fantasy RPG though.. very.. odd.. and amusing.

Andail: Yes, we all have lines, and I really do not think I am a bit more tolerant than you. I am infact more fascist supportive and filled with contempt than you might imagine. But the thread was not about increased forum tolerance, but a discussion on how you set your line and what basis you use for putting it where you put it. Metadiscussion at it's worst..

And Happy Birthday f00!

DG: Yes, interest and pointless matters are on an objective basis the same thing. Value is something nonexistant. What does matter however I think you, Farlander and Eldkatt discussed to it's simple solution, and YakSpit took it down with great wording:

"but more so if it were expanded with something other than a common factual statement."

NOTE usage of word 'something'

To summarize:

A threads value is the result of undefinable axioms that differ the topic from mere factual statements to a discussional invitation.

These axioms are the result of the very core of human social interactions, thus impossible to define, only easy to spot when failed.

I am pleased. You may use this thread to further taunt DG (Hey, it's fun!) or perhaps debate wether bananas actually are deliscious or not. If you do must, feel free to question statement above.. but I'd rather you didn't.