[Moderator note: This thread was split off from the Trumpmageddon discussion.]
Democracy isn't about freedom anyway, it's about control just like every other form of government. It has been since the first democratic republic was established back in Ancient Rome, you know, that paragon of virtue and fairness where the leaders were regularly assassinated by their peers not long after getting into office, put their own family members to death to remove rivals, and the common people liked to watch women and children being ripped apart by wild beasts for entertainment because they wouldn't worship the right gods and dared to think a different way. That worked out well, didn't devolve into dictatorship or a collapse of civilization at all.
When Kamala Harris said the peaceful transfer of power was a hallmark of democracy in her concession speech I really had to laugh.
If 49% of the population votes for blue and 51% vote for red, that's not freedom of choice, because, first of all, your only choices to begin with are blue and red. What if you want purple or green or yellow or any other color of the rainbow?
And secondly, the 49% are forced to accept a president they did not vote for. That is not freedom, that is tyranny of the majority over the minority.
Panarchy is the only logical solution, and in this age there's no logical reason why we can't have it. Any group of individuals can come together and agree to live by a specific set of rules, even children can do that. We have enough resources to create as many micronations as we want. We could literally take all the trash from the ocean and turn them into floating islands and solve both the pollution problem and the population problem at the same time if we wanted to. Let each island choose their own form of government with their own leader and let the people choose which one they want to live in but we don't do that. Why?
Because it's not about freedom, it's about control. There's nothing logical about it. The elites have always wanted to exercise control over the masses, and they invent new ways to do so. "Democracy" is the chosen method of today. As @Danvzare said, people pretend to care, but they don't, not really. The best way to manipulate people is through their emotions, not logic or reason, because if we were in the habit of using our brains we'd realize we were born into a situation we never agreed to and we can also choose not to accept it because it doesn't truly benefit us.
But that sounds overwhelming to think about and I'm drained from living my cushy 21st century life with all its amenities and artificial stressors so I guess I'll just go back to playing video games and forget about it like everyone else. It's easier that way. I'll just leave it to the politicians to pass a bill to give us what we supposedly want that will be overturned next year. "Trump will fix it". Or was that Bob the Builder..?
I better keep my mouth shut or they'll start sending agents in here to influence public opinion in order to further "democracy" like they did when they infiltrated communities in Nicaragua during the Cold War. But don't worry, guys, it was all in the name of freedom.
Quote from: Danvzare on Wed 06/11/2024 15:53:03Quote from: RootBound on Wed 06/11/2024 12:44:42I don't know if this is the end of American democracy but it will be the end of many people's lives.What democracy?
American's literally only have two choices. That is not a democracy. That is a thinly veiled dictatorship.
At least here in Britain, there's a chance that a party other than Labour or the Conservatives can get in power (it's unlikely, but it's possible). And even if your chosen party doesn't win, if they get enough votes, then they get a voice.
But America? Don't confuse that for a democracy.
As for this being the end of many people's lives though, that is definitely true. But nobody ever cares, even in these cases.
Sure, people sometimes pretend to care. But they don't really.![]()
But that's a discussion for another day.
Democracy isn't about freedom anyway, it's about control just like every other form of government. It has been since the first democratic republic was established back in Ancient Rome, you know, that paragon of virtue and fairness where the leaders were regularly assassinated by their peers not long after getting into office, put their own family members to death to remove rivals, and the common people liked to watch women and children being ripped apart by wild beasts for entertainment because they wouldn't worship the right gods and dared to think a different way. That worked out well, didn't devolve into dictatorship or a collapse of civilization at all.
When Kamala Harris said the peaceful transfer of power was a hallmark of democracy in her concession speech I really had to laugh.
If 49% of the population votes for blue and 51% vote for red, that's not freedom of choice, because, first of all, your only choices to begin with are blue and red. What if you want purple or green or yellow or any other color of the rainbow?
And secondly, the 49% are forced to accept a president they did not vote for. That is not freedom, that is tyranny of the majority over the minority.
Panarchy is the only logical solution, and in this age there's no logical reason why we can't have it. Any group of individuals can come together and agree to live by a specific set of rules, even children can do that. We have enough resources to create as many micronations as we want. We could literally take all the trash from the ocean and turn them into floating islands and solve both the pollution problem and the population problem at the same time if we wanted to. Let each island choose their own form of government with their own leader and let the people choose which one they want to live in but we don't do that. Why?
Because it's not about freedom, it's about control. There's nothing logical about it. The elites have always wanted to exercise control over the masses, and they invent new ways to do so. "Democracy" is the chosen method of today. As @Danvzare said, people pretend to care, but they don't, not really. The best way to manipulate people is through their emotions, not logic or reason, because if we were in the habit of using our brains we'd realize we were born into a situation we never agreed to and we can also choose not to accept it because it doesn't truly benefit us.
But that sounds overwhelming to think about and I'm drained from living my cushy 21st century life with all its amenities and artificial stressors so I guess I'll just go back to playing video games and forget about it like everyone else. It's easier that way. I'll just leave it to the politicians to pass a bill to give us what we supposedly want that will be overturned next year. "Trump will fix it". Or was that Bob the Builder..?
I better keep my mouth shut or they'll start sending agents in here to influence public opinion in order to further "democracy" like they did when they infiltrated communities in Nicaragua during the Cold War. But don't worry, guys, it was all in the name of freedom.