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I don't hunt or eat meat, but if I ever happen to come to South Africa, I'll drop by for some broccoli 

I would love to take part in a broccoli hunting safari! Any excuse to wear a pith helmet, really. 

You are more than welcome. And I'm serious. Bring your AK47.

Enjoy your picnic. As I said I'm not very welcomed in picnics, as you can obviously see. Although I respect and so happy that you are having a wonderful picnic, and I mean it.

Oh, you are very much welcome to our picknick! We just want you to stop insulting us just because you don't like our egg sandwiches. But look here, we have so much more to offer: we have cucumber sandwiches, cup cakes and falafel and have you tried our potato salad? It's fantastic! Please just ignore those egg sandwiches and join us for the rest of the fun.

I appreciate your invite. But I can't get on your side with Iranian passport without the hassle which I can't bother. I'm somehow stuck in South Africa, if any of you guys including Snarky wanted to come to South Africa to shoot Springboks while I eat broccoli let me know.

You were arguing about the panel ratings just a little more than four hours ago.

But in any case, unless you were hanging out by the beach in Oslo in July 2023, the story concerns you only indirectly.

It more seems you are not leaving my topic on AGS forum. Do you guys own AGS? Can I have a word with your owner? Being global moderator doesn't mean a shit to me.

Off-topic, but here's a true story that happened a couple of years ago.

It was the end of July 2023, and we had arranged a family picnic in a public park by the beach with a bunch of different relatives. Some arrived early and began to set up. While they were doing that, a stranger found a spot nearby. As other relatives started to arrive and the picnic got under way, this stranger apparently got upset that we were taking up space, grilling hot dogs, laughing, kids were playing and so on (i.e. normal, low-key picnic stuff), and came over to angrily demand that we move away because we were disturbing him.

One of my aunts told him off, and said that if he had a problem with us, he should move – there were plenty of other spaces available. He refused to do so, and instead spent the rest of the afternoon glaring at us.

Did he have any kind of valid point? Probably not, but even if he did, his attitude ensured we weren't going to listen.

I think English language is seriously a barrier. Cause I have already moved? Are you blind?

Let me tell you something, I wanted to make adventure games when I was 7 (I'm 40 now). I had a dream about making a game and being in utmost joy, so in the morning I made The Will. I'm not against picnics, but I gave up being a vegan and I eat a lot of egg sandwiches and fart a lot. So I have no reason to be AGAINST AGS.

We are having a wonderful picknick here. It's a pity you don't want to join but instead stand next to us shouting how terrible our egg sandwiches are.

We are having a wonderful picknick here. It's a pity you don't want to join but instead stand next to us shouting how terrible our egg sandwiches are.

Enjoy your picnic. As I said I'm not very welcomed in picnics, as you can obviously see. Although I respect and so happy that you are having a wonderful picnic, and I mean it.

Even Steam or itch don't have such thing as panel review. It's just the average rating.

Edit: To me it seems you guys are having a serious picnic.

My eyebrows might be more fluffy than your pubic hair. But I'm done with hobby. And if my hobby (if you can call a test game hobby) gets the same rating as my serious game, then I have to move on. You can't have both standards together. Taking one step backward and one step forward.

Edit sorry I'm still struggling with this editing and "quoting" system.

Mate, you keep getting more wrong with each edit.

It is just a fun(?) feature of a hobbyist website. No one said anything about professional journalism.

Sorry, Stupot. I didn't know it's for fun. That's why I asked my game to be deleted cause I didn't make them merely as fun or a hobby. I have better hobbies like watching mainly bullshit on Netflix. I apologize again.

Imagine there are 10 dishes of food and 10 food testers. Each food tester rates one dish and separately gives the food a rating. Do you have any value for this rating? Gavin says the

Imagine there are 10 dishes of food and 10 food testers. Each food tester rates one dish and separately gives the food a rating. Do you have any value for this rating? Gavin says the bean burger is good and Edward says the pizza is good in this restaurant. Maybe Gavin loves burger and Edwatd hates burger. What's the point of this kind of rating? Unless Gavin publishes his rating on a personal website or under the name Gavin in a newspaper. So some people trust Gavin's food tasting and buy his highly rated food. What should I do with a rating that comes from an anonymous person? I have no clue, personally. At audience review is a group of 5 people or more.

Edit We are a family of 5 and each has a different favorite food among my grandmother's food. What value does this give to my uncle specially if we keep it anonymous. Please give attention rhe cook is the same, now find the tailor.
Edit 2 Another thing:
Is LimpingFish = AGS Panel. I was taking AGS panel reviews seriously, now I've realized it was just LimpingFish reviews.

Edit 3 You don't have the resources but you are insisting to give a kind of professional ratings from AGS. This kind of rating has nothing to do with professionalism. Which makes it very awkward.
Edit 4 and the more you defend this rating system the more awkward it looks.

Edit5 I understand somehow your reactions. It's like telling someone after 20 years or something your holy religion doesn't make sense. Their whole being will crumble. I've tried it before and it never worked. I don't why I'm trying it again. I think AGS has become kiind of a religion for you.

Edit6 if LimpingFish wrote his review in comments like the rest, I would be greatful. But reviewing separately as AGS panel like it's a very professional review or rating that deserves to have a separate entity? Still maybe audience gave 1 cup to the Order. I could learn something from that too. That people don't like these kind of games and I have to become a Uber driver. But I have no value for AGS panel rating and review as a separate phenomena.

Edit7 putting AGS panel rating aka LimpingFish rating above audience rating makes me think AGS panel rating aka LimpingFish rating has kind of superiority to 5 audiences rating. Do you guys see that in yourself? I wouldn't even allow myself to do something like that on AGS website.

Edit8 What do you know about "art" LimpingFish aka AGS panel? Can we discuss art for a while?

There is a BIG difference in rating system, between "a member of AGS panel" and "AGS panel". Ask whoever is sitting next to you what's the difference.

Look at each game you want. There is "AGS panel rating" was this rating done by AGS PANEL? If not why call it AGS panel rating? It's the simplest English.

I don't understand your point. I'm not the one who brought up rottentomatoes, you did. If now you feel they don't fit your meaning of how ratings should be done, then...why mention them at all?
As per the link I've already shared with you, the Ratings panel's function is to bring order to and categorise the vast number of games in the AGS DB.

I didn't mention panel. It's all over AGS website. It's written on each game page. So the function of AGS panel is not to review or rate a game? Obviously it is according to each game page. Even Snarky "confessed" yourselves didn't think it communates perfectly but it is a perfectly valid term. You reply I have to reply.

Well Rotten tomato  is closer to what you are imagining. At least there is a group of people who don't come together but decide on a particular matter. Yours is not a group of people and you don't come together, and they don't decide on a particular matter. Each of them are deciding for a different matter. By the way I don't know if rotten tomato is using the word panel. I mean, really? One person? Why there is even a need for such a review or rating? If there was a group we could give the rating a value, or if it was a personal website we could this particular person has this review. What's the point of this kind of rating system? Do you see any accuracy or anything that makes a need to have a different rating and review for each game besides audience review? Maybe AGS panel review should also become visible after 5 people from the panel rated the game? I'm honest, it doesn't make sense to me.

Yes, it definitely does seem like there is a language barrier at play here. No, "Your game was rated by the AGS Rating Panel" does not inherently imply that multiple people played your game and collaborated to decide on a rating. Such a system would be impossible, and we'd never get any ratings done at all (even as it is, the Ratings panel is far behind the released games).

This system is possible and already exists. Check out your favorite movie on rotten tomato. If you don't have the possibility then why bother with it?

By the way another reason I deleted my games was to tell you there was/is no personal interest involved, in case anyone is struggling to understand that.

One thing amazing about this is how you claim certain goal, but achieve the opposite impression. After every addition or edit to your post(s) your position begins to look worse.
And you still cannot avoid putting condescending remarks into your posts... I mean "struggling to understand" in this case.

What's my goal? I'll give 10000 cash if you tell me what's my goal? What's amazing is the number of people that need to try to defend one by one that AGS panel review is "perfect". It's amazing.

Panel: a small group of people brought together to investigate or decide on a particular matter.

Did a group of people come together to investigate or decide on a particular matter (a game)? Or each of them was separately investigating a separate matter (game)?

There is no language barrier, unless it's from you.

What's the point of AGS reviews panel, if only one person is going to do that? Is AGS panel a person?

By the way another reason I deleted my games was to tell you there was/is no personal interest involved, in case anyone is struggling to understand that.

@lapsking , you know, everyone here understands what it takes to make a game.
You give it your all, day and night, whenever you finally have some time.
You push yourself and are inspired by others to do your very best, helped by the people on the Tech forums without whom your game wouldn't even exist.
And you do it for weeks, months, even years.
Finally, you finished it and you got to a personal point when you can proudly tell yourself this is the best thing you've ever done in AGS.
And then you share it with the world.
I've been there all my life. I've had all sorts of reviews and stars and stuff.
Some were harmful, some were constructive and some were inspiring.

I learned three things back then:
- As a creator you can give it all and more and there will always be people who go "Meh..." .
  And they have the right to, because:
- They're  giving an opinion on a final product, not on the way of the artist to get there.
- Whatever you think of your personal masterpiece, it's just a step stone to the next one.

I think the problem here is ego.
At such a point that even LimpingFish had to come explain things to you.
At such a point that everyone is trying to explain, understand, question things, for four pages.
But no, you keep biting back, attacking, insulting.
I think that, whatever the emotions, justified or not, you do keep some decency and dignity.

And then you said it: You want the panel to work the way you want it to work, and even more: You get to decide what score the panel should give you for your games.

Do you realize how this sounds?

I hope you'll take the time to re-read this whole topic and see what people tried to do for you here.
Because your words and your attitude were highly unfair and insulting to say the least.
I also hope that at one point you will remember why you wanted to make adventure games in the first place. And that you'll remember how fun it is here, with all those creative people working on their games, inspiring each other.

No you don't still get the point. I respected AGS so much and still I do (obviously, not as much as before). I had reviews more than "meh". Someone just made an account to give my game 0 or 1 out of 10 in the reviews. You guys still don't get it, I have no connection with media but someone can use this forum and edit AGS Wikipedia page and tell the world how the rating and reviewing system works. If you can be honest with yourselves there is no thing such as AGS panel rating or review. Each game is rated or reviewed by only 1 person. Then what's the point of it, abolish it. Audience ratings and reviews are enough. But still it seems you can't comprehend. And what bothers more than reviews and ratings is the fact that I don't see honesty here. My English is terrible, but it can be considered fraud (maybe not legally, but at least morally). If someone makes money with this system, you know , maybe it can even become illegal. I don't know much about laws.

I didn't think you were joking, but I also don't think you are capable of seeing things very clearly at the moment.

To delete a game from the database you can ask a moderator to do it. Is that what you want? One or both?

Both please. Neither of them were rated or reviewed by AGS panel. You are a global moderater and I'm telling you.