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I never spend money for weapons, nor did I ever kill anybody. So either I'm violating my nature and should recieve a treatment or nature doesn't play a fucking role in people's thoughts.

Increator didn't say that murder was natural which is what you are implying.   I'll bet you did eat yesterday and everyday before that and so directly caused countless organisms to be killed so that you could consume them. 

So your point is that Increator made a very banal statement that is worth ignoring? Alright then.

I don't think it's reductive and simplistic to explain human behavior as motivated by the structure of the society they live in...

I think it's just plain wrong; people are motivated by their emotions and their desire to maintain and improve their well being. [...]  The only affect one's culture and societal structure may have is to color one's perception of "well being".

And how can you try to achieve "well being"? You have to play by the rules, respectively transgress them if they force you into a miserable life. So all your thoughts and with them your emotions have to deal with and - in this way - become results of the structure of the society you live in.

Here is a link to what appears to be part of a psychology text book that explains this and backs it up with studies and actual data rather than just espousing psychobabble. 

You're joking, right?

The recent riots can be understood in these terms.  The participants were motivated by the opportunity to enhance their "well being" by

1.  Experiencing pleasure
2.  Acquiring material goods

Those unhallowed creatures! Didn't they learn that this is sin against God Almighty?
Seriously, I think those are the most reasonable motivations there are.

and because of the lack of fear of the consequences.   The lack of fear is due to the relatively mild punishment for such behavior and low likelyhood of any one individual being held accountable ("they can't arrest us all" mindset).

This is some very funny logic: Someone did something because he wasn't restrained from doing so!

Although the ultimate punishment is not appropriate it is sensible to discuss the appropriate consequences of rioting, looting, etc ought to be.  It is also foolish and naive to believe that fear of consequences and their severity do not motivate or disincentivize  people.   

For all of you law-and-order fans in here: A society like this, i.e. a capitalistic, competition-based one, will always produce losers. You may want to beat them, you may want to shoot them, they will always be there and some of them will always try to get what they want in a way the state doesn't permit.

PS From my side the discussion with WHAM is over.

I like it!  

It was just for you, wham. :

Also, killing is natural.

I never spend money for weapons, nor did I ever kill anybody. So either I'm violating my nature and should recieve a treatment or nature doesn't play a fucking role in people's thoughts.

As a side note, trying to explain all human behavior as motivated by fear (and hence claiming that fear is the only way to instill desired behavior), apart from being depressing, is as reductive and simplistic as Freud explaining everything with sex, or classical economists with the maximization of profit.

I don't think it's reductive and simplistic to explain human behavior as motivated by the structure of the society they live in, which â€" in our case â€" bases on the maximization of profit. See HERE.

The text says: "London assigns Breivik: Youth riots stopped."
It's a satirical magazin from germany.

I'm revisiting the main character's sprite at the moment. The plan was to give it a proper head - the old one was just copied and pasted from the very first sketch - but I will change some more details and try to get a finished version. Just around one hundred frames to change. 

I just stumbled upon this thread, I didn't read all the posts, so sorry, if I repeat someones points.

First of all, I really doubt your premise, that "mankind" will be able to simulate the world as it is. Assuming that computers will be able to calculate the amount of information which is necessary to simulate the physical world (I already doubt that there will be a computer which is able to calculate all of what's happening in the world it's in), you still would have to provide all of the physical laws, not just the known ones, and to be sure that all of the physical constants really are constants. To simulate the human being/society, you would either have to know the exact physical state of all human beings if you are sure that they are just driven by physical laws (which I also doubt) or run a simulation of evolution itself by knowing all of it's laws.

Anyway, assuming that all of this would be possible, it still would't change the fact, that as a "simulated lifeform" you would be still in this very life and have to ask & answer the same questions.

^{And, as far as I am concerned, they are e.g.:
Do I agree to a society, that wants me to do work for someone else's interests?
Do I agree that competition is necessary to have a good life?
Do I agree that people are divided into "Nations"?}

P.S. "The *whole purpose* we create things is to surpass us." What are you working on? Do you use AGS?

Take it with a grain of salt.

She will sell our game... via internet...  :

Thanks for the comments everyone!

@Dualnames: Me too.  We will give you the inventory next (working on it right now).

@thecmlfactor: And a pain in the neck. On the other hand, it's the work of one and a half year (we got more, though).

@beomoud: We think about a tech demo, letting you test the duel. But before the release there will be a real demo anyway.

@Mark Borg: Moonstone is abandonware, you can get it from abandonia.com for example and play it with DOSBox or WinUAE.

BTW: We are youtube-noobs and recorded the sound to low, so remeber to push up the volume before you watch the videos.


//why is this nice smiley called 'cheesy'?

Oooops... :
Sorry, Technocrat!

3 weeks without my computer and I forget that there is something called google...

I read "DIE DULCE FRUERE" in this logo. This makes no sense in any language I know, however, "DULCE" sounds like "DUCE", the title of a very famous person in italian history, and "FRUERE" sounds like "FUEHRER", the title of a very famous person in german history. I hope you are not compensating any fascist fantasies with this game.

[Nations aren't inherent to people, too. And a fault on the same level as religion.]

As most of the people here seem to be non-religious, maybe we could make it more controversial this way:

Nations aren't inherent to people, too. And a fault on the same level as religion.

I agree somehow that religion is inherent... Leave a group of man in a jungle and in that generation, the next one or two after, as much, they will invent some kind of religion, [...]

Never is religion inherent. If your lack of knowledge about nature bothers you too much, this situation may encourage you to make up a wrong story about it, but that's not yet inherence.

There even are people in the jungle wich don't have such a wrong story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKb7bNMQ9Ao

The story of Daniel Everett is very interesting: He came to the Piraha, a tribe in the Amazon, as a missionary, to tell them they're lost and need Jesus. But these people don't think they're lost, in fact they are very happy without any approach to religion. So happy that Everett "lost his faith" (and therefore his family), and became a linguist (a happy one).

Thanks for the vid, Khris.

I want to recommend this text by friends of mine:
“You mean they actually vote for the lizards?”

[a robot that can swim and/or fly by using flippers or wings]

Sorry for letting you wait!

I want you to create a robot that can swim and/or fly by using flippers or wings.

So no Battle Mechs and weapons but some real art of engineering!
No other restrictions.

The deadline is 4/1/2010

Trophy coming soon.

You don't tell a tourist the non-tourist places. 

But I can strongly recommend Les Haferflocken Swingers, they play at Cortina Bob on Friday. I don't know the place yet and it's 6 â,¬, but the band and the support is great.

Thanks!

I can start one next week.

[Harpy]

I overdid it! When I was about to finish it, I counted the colours to be sure, and I only used five.

So here is my Harpy. 5 colours + b/w.



And remind me never to draw one of these again, they're a pain in the arse to create.    :

Thanks for all the motivating comments!

abstauber: What do you mean exactly? That just a fight game would be to boring for you (and you prefer a genre mix), or that the fighting mechanics have to be "state of the art"? Or both?

- The AI players were no threat at all for human players.

This is what you say after playing the game over and over again. 

- The map was small, the game was short and you had no chance to save your game.

I wouldn't say it's a real flaw if you finish the game in two hours. It's a concept, wich has pros and cons. I also don't like games that are streched to the infinite while all you do is to upgrade your character, ship or what ever is apparently expressible in numbers. 

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Mr Matti: I wanted to reply first. :'(

karja:
Characters will be handrawn 2D!
We really want to catch the atmosphere of old games like Moonstone.
The difference in the grafics will be that it's not pixelart anymore.