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Sylph, that is one of the most interesting theories I've heard -- that dinosaurs might have come from another planet.

But even then, they'd still be older than us.

For DG - The dinosaur issue doesn't come into the bible a lot because the bible is not what you would call a 'modern epic'. There is no description of pretty much anything environmental if you look at it. No one comments on the architechture of Pharo's empire, no one talks about the soft hay Jesus was born in (who knows - coulda been prickly as hell...) and no one cares about flying lizards unless they do something dramatic for the plot. Which they didn't. So they didn't get a mention.

That, however, doesn't deny their existence at all. I believe there were all sorts of freaky animals running around, and I don't know too many *normal* christians who don't. But I don't believe they predate the existance of the earth. When I said "dinosaurs that are supposedly 6 million years old" I was talking about it from a scientific point of view. I believe dinosaurs did NOT predate man. Well, maybe by a day or two, because God created animals before man, but not any longer.

A talking burning bush gets a mention, lions gets mentioned, but dinosaurs get left out somehow?

I don't buy your theory -- I think there would have been at least some mention.

Also, you say they existed at the time of creation, right?

So did they all die during the floods cause they couldn't fit on Noah's Ark or something?

Like Unicorns?

I don't know what it is, but I have a little trouble believing this theory too.

Let's talk about Iraq again!  

SSH and Timosity:
You got me wrong.

I'm actually going by the Christian dating of the Earth, which extends to about 12,000-20,000 years ago (even though I don't believe it).

And since PT said dinosaurs supposedly existed 6 million years ago, that means they are supposedly older than human beings according to the bible.


EDIT: And even if they didn't exist millions of years ago, how come the bible makes no mention of giant flying lizards during the lifespan of the bible? I mean, the fossils are still physical evidence, right?

Surely there would have been a greater mention of giant lizards in the bible if they were even 12,000 years old?

God, doesn't like people who lie!  

but I have always wondered how they determine the colour of an animal that is supposedly 6 million years old.

Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that they're... DINOSAUR FOSSILS!

Forget the colour, because they're... DINOSAUR FOSSILS!

Like, actual physical evidence of creatures that have existence longer than we have.

In fact, they even predate the beginning of the Earth according to Genesis.

I know there are ways of predicting etc, but they act awful smug for a couple of people who've been wandering this earth supposedly only a TENTH of the time of dinosaurs.

As opposed to people who act awful smug that they can actually interpret what God meant to say in the bible?

A little hypocrisy there! It's like Saddam saying to Osama, "You'd better hide, dude!"

WTF? You recognized a play on words without a freakin' smiley? There's hope for mankind yet.

Though people who begin sentences with net acronyms (like 'WTF' and 'OMG') still make us look bad.

P.S. I also recognise sarcasm! Ain't I a fucking talented bitch?  

but then again a lot of what scientists produce is only theory anyway, so there's not much factual stuff to compare.

Except for these crazy things called........ DINOSAUR FOSSILS!

Massive low-loss compression algorithms, dumbshit.

Oh, Yakspit -- You and your witty play on words!

Why weren't you born a Marx Brother!?

Now write one of those algorithms to prove it, smartarsre!

Okay, new question.



How do these guys fit into the bible?

But the very first few line says: "If a man divorces his wife and she goes from him and becomes another man's wife, will he return to her?"

That puts the entire Jeremiah 3 in context of returning to one's wife/husband.

You're wrong.

It is accepting it as long as you repent for the divorce.

According to the Jeremiah, if you divorce what you have done is wrong in the eyes of God.

But after you repent, you're still allowed back with your wife, according to the text.

God says he will not look on Israel with anger, and thus forgiven the sin of divorce.

If he didn't want them back together, he would have said, "You are not allowed back together" someplace within the text.

But that would go against reforming Israel.

I mean, it's common sense to allow a reunion of man and wife to reform you own state of worship, isn't it?

So, it does allow it.

EDIT: Regarding metaphors -- Bullshit! If someone has a problem with me, for example, they tell me straight what the matter is and I listen. They don't waste time with their stupid metaphor for whatever I've done wrong.

EDIT 2: By the way, while you're at it, can you refute all these contradictions too (I'd like a point-by-point analysis too please, with evidence): http://www.ffrf.org/lfif/?t=contra.txt

That does NOT, however, mean that you can't use metaphors and similes. Jesus says continually things along the line of: "I'm using metaphors because humans are dumb and don't know what I'm talking about."

How dare Jesus say that about me!

He's never going to play on my beach volleyball team again.

Besides, if humans are as dumb as Jesus thought, then why not speak clearly without faffing around with metaphors.

Secondly, the bible DOES NOT contradict itself. I swear by my life, it doesn't. Aside the big things that are beyond human comprehension like 'What is God, and why is he everywhere?', of course (I'm not saying they contradict, I'm just saying I don't know all the answers). You're "killing" example won't be discussed here because it doesn't really exist.

This was written by Walter Brueggemann, Christian Century (Jan. 3-10 2001, p.16):

'In Deuteronomy 24:1, moreover, Moses teaches that marriages broken in infidelity cannot be restored, even if both parties want to get back together. But in Jeremiah 3, in a shocking reversal given in a pathos-filled poem, God's own voice indicates a readiness to violate that Torah teaching for the sake of restored marriage to Israel. The old teaching is seen to be problematic even for God. The latter text shows God prepared to move beyond the old prohibition of Torah in order that the inherent evangelical claims of God's graciousness may be fully available even to a recalcitrant Israel.'

This is an example of a contradiction in the bible.

One book is saying, "You can't accept your wife back after divorce.'

The other is saying, "Yes, you can."

[BEHOLD! YOUR NEW SAVIOUR!]

And DG, as much as it is a joke, that is exactly the type of thing that seems funny now, but in 2000 years after a certain part of the population are killed, and others that survive find these things in archives, they might start to believe these as facts from the past. And one thing for sure is the fact that the humor will be hard to understand over time, which is something we probably forget to look for in the bible.

Hmmmm...




BEHOLD! YOUR NEW SAVIOUR!

If only he had removed it sooner:

That a brilliant idea!

We could even set it up as an IRC channel!

In fact, I know this place called Quakenet where we could do it!

Let's get started right away!

Man, this AGS Chat thing is gonna be SO COOL!!!

And you wanted to skip my posts!

Who's laughing now, eh? ME!! THAT'S WHO!! HAHAHAHA!!

Imagine if a book by some famous people now was written, then in thousands of years it becomes folk law and some people took it too seriously.

That could never happen!

CJ has just been raped by Bubba, thanks to Zor!  

I knew it wouldn't be long till someone quoted the bible (and I just wanted an excuse to use this), but:

Oh yes: The fact it's a FURRY cartoon character too!

You're thinking dogs, eric.

Pigs are different to dogs, cause dogs have got personality.

If a pig had more personality then maybe you'd be right, but it'd have to be one pretty personable pig, like the one from Green Acres.

* DGMacphee weds Butch and Marcellus Wallace.