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Maybe it's not as hard to find as I originally thought.

http://In my opinion if you think Vertigo is a b&w film than you've never truly seen it.

Crap, you're right, it's colour -- My mind must be escaping me!

Oh, fuck...

More photoshops! BLARG!!

DG HUNGRY!!!




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Man, these are good flicks!

I haven't seen Maltese Falcon, but so want to -- only problem is finding it.

Keep up the picks, especially if you think of any unmentioned films cause I so want to see them!

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ShatteredSponge is going to kill me.

My mum has a thing for older DVDs -- the kind you can get for five bucks in a discount bins.

Sometimes she gets some very strange crap (The Catwomen from Mars) but sometimes she find some classics.

For example, she recently bought Chaplin's Limelight and La Cava's My Man Godfrey.

It made me think about my favourite classic B&W movies and was wondering what everyone else liked in terms of B&W.

So, my favs:

I'm a big Jimmy Stewart fan and my fav of his would have to be Harvey -- I also like Mr Smith goes to Washington, It's a Wonderful Life (MEEEERRY CHRISTMAS!!!), The Philadelphia Story, Vertigo, and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

I'm not a huge Hitchcock fan, but I liked Strangers On A Train a lot.

Akira Kurosawa films (then again, a lot of people like him) -- Especially Rashomon, Seven Samurai, and Yojimbo.

I was a big fan of Chaplin in high school (Granted, Keaton's films were better directed, but Chaplin was funnier IMO) -- I like his shorts, but his full length films are great too, like Modern Times (However, I still haven't seen The Great Dictator, which I must find sometime soon!)

Zobra the Greek -- I dig Anthony Quinn.

Grapes of Wrath -- Then again, I like Steinbeck in general.

On The Waterfront

Casablanca

Angels With Dirty Faces and Yankee Doodle Dandy -- Two very different Cagney roles and both are done superbly, which shows the mastery of the man.

Scarface (the original, obviously)

The Defiant Ones

The Man With The Golden Arm

Citizen Kane

Sabrina (The early Bogart/Hepburn one, obviously)

The Life of Emile Zola

The Apartment

Sullivan's Travels

Some like It Hot

and many others...


What are your favourites?

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Ishii's death is kinda the same as Vincent Vega's in Pulp Fiction.

He dies halfway through the film, yet you see him at the end walking away with Jules from the restaurant -- Jules has made the decision to quit being a gangster and walk the earth while we see Vincent move towards his inevitable death.

I think it's similar to Ishii's death, because we see this background of a vengeful character who has an absolute bloodlust -- Yet, she still manages to get taken down by The Bride.

That's another aspect that interests me in terms of conflict -- Yes, Ishii dies, we know that.

However, what I wanted to know was this: HOW the hell did The Bride manage to defeat such a strong enemy, especially considering Ishii's been killing people since childhood?

Yeap, we know the result of that particular episode, but it's enjoying the journey (answering the HOW party) that's the interesting part.

At least, that's what I found.

I think the linear structure wouldn't have worked if we first saw the Bride wake up, leave the hospital, and then go to japan, then kill oren, then travel back for Vivica. Not because the order isn't plausible- but because QT would have had to go absurdly out of his way to put character development in places that aren't natural.

Yeah, but a linear structure would have worked if Vivica was the first name on her list.

However, I also think the names are ordered the way they are for specific purpose -- Only time will tell.

Now that I think about it, I'm sure QT is going somewhere with the whole Oren flashback, and here why I think so:

Why didn't he just make Vivica Fox first on the list, then follow it with Oren-Ishii?

Why did he make Oren-Ishii first and choose to go into flashback?

Surely, there must be a reason for such a decision.

I mean, it's looks very easy to switch the film to a conventional narrative -- So, why the flashback?

Maybe we'll find out in Vol 2?

is that DG?

No, it isn't.

Noooooooo, of course it wasn't!

What?!?! Oh now you're argument lack credibility!!!1~

Of course it's the best movie ever!!!

It IS the 2nd coming of Christ!!!

I give it 5000000/10 stars!!!

Your just jelous cause QT is making cool movies and your not!!!!

SO THERE!!!

-DG

p.s. QT ROOLZ!!

Eric, I didn't say your arguement has no cred.

I'm only trying to explain why I liked and reasons why some people might find it a bit "meh" (like the split in half thing).

Even: LOL -- If QT came to AGS, I'd certainly like to see his MI fangame!

"What does Herman Toothrott look like??? Does he look like a BITCH!!!"

I think cos is right!!!

I think AGS sucks balls!!!

I mean, it's a free engine that supports hi-res and hi-colour graphics, gets updated monthly, has a huge community, made several great games, inspired several awards ceremonies, and aids in making something creative!

NOW THAT TOTALLY SUCKS!!!

And adventure games? -- Who plays them anymore!!

HAHAHAHAHA -- YOU ARE ALL LOSERS!!!

I'M GOING TO SWTICH TO RPGMAKER 2000!!!!

WHEN I FINISH MY 1000000000 HOUR RPG, YOU WILL ALL SUCK MY ANUS WITH A STRAW!!!

Esseb: I got the impression that it was the Miramax exec's decision to cut it, going on what I read in IMDB -- then again, I could be wrong.

Eric: Don't worry, we're not going to burninate you for thinking "Meh... No big deal..." -- I think we're trying to discuss narrative and style in general.

Evenwolf: Aye, I agree, I don't think it was a marketing strategy -- I think it's more that the Miramax bosses thought audiences couldn't handle a four hour movie.

Eric no.2 (on style): Maybe it's more so the combination of those things and doing it successfully.

Kinda like thinking: Wow, a lot of precise work went into little ball of energy.

And I think that's why I dig it -- It manages to successfully combine several different styles without letting the pace drop -- And I can't help but look at the scene and think "Wow! I sure am going to remember THAT!"

If you ever want a real trip, try playing Doom with the Apocalypse Now soundtrack.

BTW, Rode, that Doom Legacy thing rules!

Because you're looking at it as two sepearte movies, when it's supposed to be one whole movie.

Perhaps the flashback would be justified in the context of the whole movie because it's basically an introduction to The Bride's character, and shows her in action (i.e she can escape from hospital, get a sword for free, and then kill 88 guys, plus others that get in her way).

That's why I say the only real problem with the movie is it's cut in half (It was intended as one whole moive, rather than two halves).

If it were one whole movie, the flashback would be acceptable as it's basically an introduction and the full movie can build from then on in real time.

But the Harvey W is a dick for making Miramax cut Tarantino's baby in half.

Other successful movies use this flashback and episodic convention.

E.g. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon -- You know she's not going to stay with the bandit king in the desert flashback as she's getting married in real life.

However, in the context of the full movie, this is justified as it gives background to both character and their relationship.

If Kill Bill was shown in full, the O-ren Ishii fight flashback would probably be in the same place as CTHD's flashback in terms of narrative structure.

Wow, Rode, that looks like something special!

Downloading it right now!