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I thought all the threads I started were stupid -- How come they haven't been locked yet?  

Eric is right though -- I've kinda been looking at this from an iffy perspective.

I think everyone needs to show respect to each other and treat this forum as a privilage -- not some playpen or soapbox.

But I still believe people should make a decent contribution before posting here -- This is a game creation forum, and what good is it if you're not going to aid in game creation?

Some users here haven't made any games (such as Gilb0t), but still contribute greatly in areas of tech support.

I respect him because he isn't just hanging around here without anything to show for it -- the man is an AGS God, and he hasn't even made a single game.

vwg:
It's not a modification, unless you count the text.

Which I don't.

The article is old and we've discussed BFC many times.

But I'll address a few issues here anyway.

The article is crap for several reasons:

1. Fiction -- the article claims the docomentry is fiction -- However, the author negelcts the numerous famous documentries of the past that have fudged facts and false scenes int hem.

For example, in Larry Beinhart's 'American Hero', he lists several films that fudge the truth:

* 'Tearing Down The Spanish Flag', a newsreal made after the US declared war on Spain, was actually a reenactment shot not in Manilla or Havana, but on a rooftop in Manhattan

* 'Battle of Santiago Bay' (by the same producers) was shot in a bathtub

* 'Triumph of the Will', the Nazi propaganda film, used a staged rally

* 'December 7th' (which won a short doco Oscar), about the bombing of Pearl Harbour used fake battle scenes with minitures, which is surprising considering a) the film is a benchmark for other docos, especially when other Pearl Harbour docos lift footage from the film, and b) It was directed by legendary director John Ford (it didn't tarnish his reputation though)

This makes th article more like a Michael Moore witchhunt, instead of an actual argument

2. Heston -- I fault Moore here, because he treats Heston with a degree of bias. Nowhere does the film mention Heston's past civil rights work, especially his aid to Martin Luther King rallies in the 60s. The film paints Heston as a right-wing redneck, which he is definately not.

Heston, however, does confuse me at times. I cannot equate civil rights for black people to gun ownership, no matter what the American constitution says. It's a very archaic document, and certain part seem to be misinterpreted in contempory times (like the bible, if you will)

3. Taliban and Human Aid -- The author of the article tries to say that the US gave aid to Afghanistan to help the famine problem. However, this author was deluded if he thought the US government would give money freely to an extremist group without causing any problems. The US government was thoughtless is providing aid here, and so is the author of the article for suggesting such a thing.

4. Gun murder rates -- The author proved one thing: Moore buggered up his stats, which is possible for anyone to do. However, he still essentially proves Moore's point as the US gun murder rates are still higher that other countries if you use his figures.

5. The point of the film -- The author tries to say the film's point seems misguided, as it says it is not against guns (e.g. the Canada example). But that's not the point of the film. Moore has stated time and times again the point was to only raise questions about gun ownership in the US. That's all. He is not against it (He was, after all, a member of the NRA since childhood), but merely challenging perspectives.

6. Other -- Now, how can the author suggest BFC is a fake when more footage is faked in news coverage. Just a little while ago there was a doco on the faking of footage for a submarine attacking Iraq.

Here's a link:
http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s921916.htm

Also, the footage where US soldiers topple Saddam's statue was staged too. Here's another link:
http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s832042.htm

We live in a world of lies and propaganda -- right, left, middle, whatever -- and the author of the article shows his bias if he can single out Michael Moore without considering the other things I've stated above.

He is just as liable for bias as Moore is.


There we go -- I think I've taken care of that business!

You two are perfect strangers to me!

Haddas, yes, I read the text -- unfortunately adding just text to an image doesn't make for a great photo manipulation.

In fact, it's not even photo manipulation -- To call it such a thing shows pure laziness.

These are what I call good photo manipulations:
http://www.somethingawful.com/photoshop/

And these are even better:
http://www.worth1000.com/

To make my point clear: Adding text does not count as photo manipulation -- It counts as slack.

Not only that, The Matrix has been numerous times in photo manipulations to the point of cliche.

This is just a wild guess, but you're new to photoshopping and image manipulation, aren't you?

*sniff*

This reminds me of the episode of Cheers where Normy and Cliff have a fight but then they make up in the end while Carla makes wisecracks and they all get drunk and pass out before Rebecca sleeps with Frasier after Sam was supposed to marry her.

Then Woody made a joke about being dumb and everyone laughed! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The crazy thing is, I thought that picture was just an 8 Mile poster with some added text and nothing else to make it AGS related -- but I was wrong!

* DGMacphee tries not to smirk

Whoa...

I should make fucked-up games more often!

Either Sylph is making an insightful point or all the recent tension has driven him insane in a Col Kurtz-like way!

Jesus Horatio Billy Bob Christ, I can solve this situation very easily.

People who've made some notable contribution to the community (i.e. games, artwork, music, help with scripting, etc) can start new posts without much oif a prob -- people will be civil if you have some amount of respect earnt.

However, if you've contributed nothing of great notability, watch out and expect criticism for posting too much!

The General forum is a privilage that game makers EARN!

That's why I don't get shitcanned greatly for posting a year old NINJA website -- I just get the odd person say 'This site is old. Soon people wil post ALL YUOR BASE stuff.'

And it's the same reason why Chris wouldn't get shit-canned if he started an ASCII art post.

SO STFU AND MAKE YOUR GODDAMN GAMES, YOU ASSES!!!

taryuu:
That 'hiss' can mean only one thing... THERE'S A BALLOON VENDOR AROUND THAT CORNER!!!


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Jesus Horatio Billy Bob Christ, I can solve this situation very easily.

People who've made some notable contribution to the community (i.e. games, artwork, music, help with scripting, etc) can start new posts without much oif a prob -- people will be civil if you have some amount of respect earnt.

However, if you've contributed nothing of great notability, watch out and expect criticism for posting too much!

The General forum is a privilage that game makers EARN!

That's why I don't get shitcanned greatly for posting a year old NINJA website -- I just get the odd person say 'This site is old. Soon people wil post ALL YUOR BASE stuff.'

And it's the same reason why Chris wouldn't get shit-canned if he started an ASCII art post.

SO STFU AND MAKE YOUR GODDAMN GAMES, YOU ASSES!!!

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Not only that, it ended with Helm and me at each other's throats.

Hehehe, I remember that too!  

Not only that, my post was a joke.

Anyone jumping on my side is a twit, like me.

End of Evangelion.

Actually, from memory the song was used in the Eva Death and Rebirth film, not EoE.

Yes, I does laugh because the Europeons do the talking funny camel.

DG, I believe we are discussing the shortcomings of the genre as a whole, not of specific games. Yes, some use cliche stories. But this is not the problem of the genre, but the problem of individual adventure games.

Um, I am talking about the genre as a whole, ijit!

Most adventure games used tired cliches.

It IS a problem with the genre because developers (commercial AND indie) rely upon it too much.

So stick that up your bumcrack and fart it!  

Newbies aren't allowed to debate the stuff that oldbies debate, cause the stuff oldies used to debate was garbage.