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Jimi:
Bill told me to tell you that the combined time you took to write these posts, you could have finished the walk cycle for your game and had the demo out by now.

He also mumbled something about family values but I didn't quite catch it.

i just wonder if i made a personal attack against DG (not that i would) would my thread of been locked and edited before anyone noticed?

I don't mind personal attack on me, but only if they are warrented.

For example, if someone told me my moderation abilities "suck", I would then ask why they posted that and ask them how I could improve I.e. I'd expect someone to verify their opinion of me.

However, if someone posted in all seriousness that I'm an ugly toll that deserves to be molested by my local archbishop, I'd tell them to get fucked and then lock the post I.e. Posting something malicious and defamitory.

That's the distinction.


Flippy:
It's a little more worrying when DarkStalkey gives up moderating -- thus, I don't think we can ignore this issue any longer.

Bill?  I thought you were killed by a brain-craving zombie!

-Dave

"Never underestimate the POWER... of the multi-colored SWEATER!!!!!"

Jimi:


Bill Cosby says:
"Jimiiii, this exact-u-lay what DGeeee is talkin' ABOUT. So far... Heeeelm has maaade... SEVERAL GAMES... and I took a look at your website and found the game RODNEY. I was very eager to doooooownload this game but I could not find it ANYWHERE! All I could find was dis picture of the main CHARACTER! THAT'S ALL!!! Why are you re-ply-ing to this post so much when you haven't made any games what-so-ever? You see, this is just like jello puddin'! It's not sooo difficiult fer you to SWALLOW!!! Instead of the rantin' and the ravin' you could be making the games for the forum!!! Now if you will excuse me I have to go see my wife CAMILLE and ask her for another one of these multi-colored SWEATERS!!!

THEEEEOOOOOOOO!!!!"

SSH:
I will update the front page to include the above sentiments.

Jimi:
But that's the problem -- people like kikme who just want to join this community because they think it's "in".

Nellie:
Do not worry, because I don't excuse Helm's post and from the sounds of it so don't a lot of other people.

However, I spoke to him and asked him why.

Not only that, but I spoke to some other members (both old and new) and the consenus is the same.

Helm over-reacted in his usual undiplomatic fashion.

But once again, I state clearly: Don't blame Helm, blame me for locking his original polite request for Yufster to post less -- the debate should be there and not here.

It was more ignorant on my part.

And once again, the problem isn't strictly Yufster -- in fact, I consider her to play a very minor role in this whole drama.

Relaaaxxx, folks.  Don't let a couple of annoying folks spoil our fun.  Ignore 'em.  They'll go away.  Like a bad headache.

-Dave
The Eternal Optimist.

That's what my post was for.

Consider me Sgt Hartman and I'm separating the marines from the maggots.

Mods:
If you had c_leks with a knife at the front door, it would be perfect!

Trap:
That's Helm for you -- love him or lump him.

Trap:
I never said Helm's post was honest.

However, I did say he was sometimes 'irrational'.

And I also said he made 'valid points'.

However, sometimes you have to cut through that tough and mighty Greek exterior to understand his true sentimonies!

And trust me on that -- I have to honour of being Helm's antithesis back in the good ol' Ezboard days.

And now we're great friends, despite all our past bickering.

Paranoia:
When DarkStalkey (or any moderator) leaves like this, something has to be really wrong.

I still encourage private messaging your issues, but my previous post needed to be said.

Trap: I lurked for 2 months trying to get a feel for the place, then posted minimally.

Then made my original 4-room Dark Hero demo, then Ultimerr, and posted a little more.

Then Stickmen, then started MAGS, then wrote articles, then AGS Academy, etc, etc, etc.

In other words, I earnt respect -- I didn't start ranting and raving until I had at least ONE adventure behind me.

If you're going to rant and rave without producing anything, expect this kind of reply from Helm.

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Flippy: Wrong -- Las made Novo Maestro, the leading game in humanistic expressionism and deconstructivism.

And he also posts VERY minimally, even though he's made an insightful game.

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I think this post should be locked.

I think we've resolved the problem. Yufster IS making a game, AND contributing artwork to somebody elses game.

I've stolen DG's style of writing  

Wrong, it's not resolved -- if it were, everyone would be fine and dandy!

Like I said, Yufster is only the smallest tip of the iceburg.

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SSH: Just keep making games and you'll do fine.

Just to reitterate for people who didn't "get" my post and have to analyse it to every last word:

"I.E. RESPECT FOR YOUR OPINION IS RELATIVE TO YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THIS FORUM"

Are you seriously making a game?

Are you contributing art or music for a game?

Are you writing game creation articles or tutorials?

If in the process of making your first game, is your daily post count minimal?

If you answered yes to any of these questions, undergroundling, please stay.

If you answered no to ALL of these question, get lost.

That simple.

We respect certain newbies, but only for reasons I state in my previous post!

Sigh!

I go away for a moderator holiday and look what happens!

Everyone hates everyone else and one of the moderators quits!

Tsk tsk tsk!

Okay, for a start don't blame Helm -- if anything, blame me (in a very santiagro-like way) for locking his previous thread.

In all honesty, his previous thread was a tactful request to Yufster and this seems to be an extention of that aggravation towards Yufster (only not as polite as the previous thread).

However, I spoke to Helm and he said he only over-dramatised the post for effect.

Secondly, I'm at odds in locking this post -- this is an issue that won't go away here and has caused another moderator to leave.

Yes, this is an oldies vs newbies thing -- and in that last post I buried my head in the sand on this issue.

Well, I can't ignore it anymore.

There are several people here who over-post!

Helm's posts are not just directed at Yufster (in fact, I think she's one of the lesser culprits) -- however, there are some users here who just post too damn much.

Their posts and not insightful nor do they spark some intelligent debate nor are they humourous.

I won't name names because it isn't the 50s, but let me put this thought to you:

IF YOU WANT YOUR OPINIONS RESPECTED, MAKE A DECENT ADVENTURE GAME.

Not just make an announcement of the 'Games in Production Forum' or a one room p-o-s -- I'm taking a decent, playable, and enjoyable adventure.

If not that, then contribute a set of tutorial or gaming articles -- not just one, but several.

That is what separates the "newbies" from the "oldies".

I.E. RESPECT FOR YOUR OPINION IS RELATIVE TO YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THIS FORUM

This is an adventure game CREATION forum -- we make adventures and discuss game making theory.

If you just want to talk about ONLY adventure games, how cool they are, and general stuff like how cool your tabby cat's hair is, FUCK OFF!!!

I do not agree with what Helm says -- I think it was very thoughtless.

However, I understand WHY he posted it and it's a similar feeling I've had, as have many others.

So, in light of this, I've made a little comic inspired by this post -- think of it as something similar to the 'Daisy' post:



And Indy says: So, remember kids -- Make a good adventure game before writing mindless rants!

Do as Indy says!

All of you -- Stop posting here!

Get out of the general forum (In fact, all the forums) until you've made a playable adventure game!

If you really just came to use this place as a chat service, go away -- Yes, I'm all for free speech on the internet, but there are a hundreds of other places where you can  give you opinion.

We don't mind the odd post while you create you adventure game, BUT don't come here for the sake of coming here and join just because you think the AGS Comunnity is 1337!

We're not 1337!

We couldn't care less about your opinion -- that is until you make an adventure game!

Sounds elitist? Maybe.

But that's what this place is for -- Don't Like it? Go away!

Now if anyone over-posts here with garbage again without having some backing to their name, I will make your life on this forum a living hell.

Don't believe me?

Look up the name 'Santiagro'.

On a final note, I'm very depressed that Dark Stalkey had to leave -- and here's the clincher: It wasn't because of Helm's post, it was because of all I have said above.

I'm all for newbies, but only if they make something useful for this forum and for AGS.

Don't pissfart about and make garbage rants!

Also, I'm leaving this thread open because, even though I don't agree with Helm, I shouldn't have locked his previous post and this is my way of compensating for that.

Helm may be irrational at times but he is able to make valid points.

And from this, I'm leaning to John Stuart Mill, regarding his thesis for liberal utilitarianism, part of which says "To silence opinion is to silence the truth".

End transmission.

You've already started two MI2-ripping thread (one I've already locked).

Find it and post there please.

Do not start any more MI2-ripping threads please.

As for your problem, get Kazaa, find MI2 there, download, and rip from it.

If it's not on Kazaa, try any number of abandonware sites.

My final post for a while -- back to my break!

You've already started a post on this here:

http://www.agsforums.com/yabb/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=7221

Don't make multiple posts on the same subject.

It took me a while to see the very subtle change in that one (apart from the glasses) but when I did I laughed my arse off!

EDIT 4: Here's a question: Why do gay lads usually have a great sense of humour, but lesbians don't?

Cuz testoserone's a bitch!

I've posted this before and I'll post it once again, but:

Spirited Away.

When I saw this scene from the film, I thought to myself it looks so much like a scene from an adventure game.

Yuftser: That's because the music they use is a part of Swan Lake -- and the game is about swans too.

ShatSponge: Maybe, but I'm also into knitting and bondage.

Las: Yeah, it's also funny when he feels you up on the beach -- No wonder they call them best friends.

THIS PHOTOSHOP IS OVER!!

Finish Undeniable first.

Doing competitions and the like zaps away time from making games.

Believe me -- I know.