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They weren't duped - all along they kept saying, "While Bush and his administration claim this.. the UN search crews find nothing and say that the US claims are absurd."

While that is somewhat true, it is a little more accurate to say they reported more of the former than the later. They had to buckle down to the Bush Administration in order to gain coverage.

One of the major criticisms by most media critics in the last few years was there was hardly any scrutiny by the mainstream media on what the Bush Administration was doing at the time. It's only in the last year that the media is saying "hey we've grown some balls now".

You're right -- they weren't duped, but they were certainly playing Bush's bitch.

Going Home (Theme Of The Local Hero) by Mark Knopfler

Beautiful track for the ending of a very beautiful film.

Also, I heard this song before I saw the movie. I was thirteen, driving with my Dad and he had this CD (The Local Hero soundtrack -- by it at amazon.com NOW!) playing.
I said, "That's beautiful music."
He said, "Oh yeah, listen to this." He played the last track (the theme song), after which I developed a huuuuuge desire to see the film.

It was made by an Australian company and I actually have the full CD version with manual (read: very short booklet). The voice acting is so damn wooden, even for Aussie actors. You'd think with our cah-raa-zzy accents, we'd put a bit of life into our vocal performances (For example, listen to the young Aussie chap who provided the vocals for Tork in Calsoon 2. I forget his name but that guy is fucking awesome!)

The puzzles were so-so, and overall it's a forgettable piece of shit.

When I saw the whole thing about anyone being able to make the game I instantly thought about a silly joke game a la DGMacPhee.

Yeah, haha! DG makes his jokes games! Pfft, all my games are 100% serious! In fact, I will give 1 gajillion dollars to Chris Jones' favourite charity (which is called MPNFAHCJ: More Pot Noodles For a Hungry Chris Jones) if anyone can produce and mass market a joke game where a scrappy and incredibly handsome young man named MGDacphee writes an AGS game that turns out to be the BEST GAME EVER! I challenge you! oh boy, do I ever chalenge you! Consider all of you challenged!

o wait it was all satire. teh joke is on you lol.

DG! Where the freaking hell have you been? Everyone here cries when you're not around. I know I do. ;_;

I've been around. I'm like a magic leprechaun. You have to try and CATCH ME and get me LUCKY CHARMS!

I can settle this argument with only two words:

I can't believe no one has mentioned Leaving Las Vegas. The majority of people in this thread have said Cage sucks and no one has even mentioned Leaving Las Vegas, one of the most harrowing and most beautiful films about love... one of the most harrowing about alcoholism. The same movie in which Roger Ebert said in his review, "Cage, a resourceful and daring actor, has never been better." The same movie in which Cage won his Best Actor Oscar along with nearly every other Best Actor award for that year.

I don't care how many National Treasures or The Family Mans he makes. The fucker can act. He's got potential. He got game. Leaving Las Vegas is bullseye proof of that. End of story.

hey guys! know which version of god gave rock n roll i like?

the KISS version

no wait the Bill and Ted version

no wait the KISS version

no wait theARRRG I CAN'T DECIDE

if only they were the same song!



oh wait Bill and Ted are KISS in disguise

They're more than meets the eye.

When the term bukkake is used in Japan, it usually refers to a method of preparing noodles and not the sexual act. (Also spelled bookaki)

Next time I go to a Japanese restaurant, I'm getting me some bukkake noodles!

... except that they're criticising legitimate exhibition art and I'm criticising a crudely-drawn Sonic posted on a forum for adventure game design. There's a big difference.

You're trying to proffer the idea that surrealism is a legitimate form of exhibiting one's own perceptions?

Compared to a polly-wolly crappy drawing of Sonic the Hedgehog? Definately.

But since you bring it up...

Your juevos surely must have enough mass to have their own gravity wells by now.

And my dick's the Milky Way. Jackson Pollack painted it into the picture above.

I don't disagree with your comments about the picture as such...It's just that we've seen older, experienced people drawing much worse and others paying millions for worse "legitimate exhibition art" paintings. At least he drew more than a black dot on white background, which shows some effort(?)

I admit anyone can criticise the validity of an abstract artist for painting a piece called "black dot in snowstorm". It's definately open to debate as to whether it's really art or not.

But we're not talking about someone painting a black dot and calling it art. We're not even talking about anyone being abstract.

We're talking about someone drawing a pretty much useless picture (adventure-gamewise) of Sonic the Hedgehog and posting it on an adventure game forum. Comparing the two is meaningless. Mainly because both are created for different purposes.

I mean, consider the purpose of drawing a picture and posting it to an adventure game forum. That indicates the possibility of... lo and behold... using it with an adventure game! If fluke made an adventure game out of his dodgy Sonic and it turned out to be good, I wouldn't be complaining. I've said many times, good adventure games don't need fabbo graphics. I've played great games that, as you say, have bad graphics. But a picture on its own of dodgy Sonic in the Critics Lounge? If it's all on its lonesome self, people are going to call it a POS no matter what. And that's why it's also difficult to compare the pic with commercial adventures. Commercial adventures have other elements that are enjoyable. Meanwhile, a crappy picture of Sonic is, well, a crappy picture of Sonic.

Sure he painted more than a black dot. But I'd expect someone who posts a black dot in the Critic's Lounge would get the same reaction -- locked thread. But if you made a great adventure game with that black dot, then hurrah! In fact, do an adaptation of Chuck Jones' 'The Dot and the Line' (one of the greatest animated short films I've seen).

It's a matter of purpose. And if a mod thinks someone isn't trying hard enough to the extent of purpose in the Critic's Lounge and locks a thread, then that's something people have to live with.

I mean, how can you expect someone to give proper criticism when they draw Sonic The Hedgehog with down syndrome? This isn't a finger-painting class. Hell, I'm not the greatest graphic artist in the world (or on my block), but at least the spirtes in my games resemble things.

I'm not saying that it was a good picture or that I'm an expert either in practicing or criticising art, but I find that the critics at the  rennaissance/ impresionists'/ surrealists' / abstract etc  exhibitions must have sounded quite similar to your post...

... except that they're criticising legitimate exhibition art and I'm criticising a crudely-drawn Sonic posted on a forum for adventure game design. There's a big difference.

As Helm said: "I don't see what it has to do with art (or music, or scripts or whatnot) that goes into making games. Not even indirectly. It's not even a sprite."

But I'd like to hear someone explain how Sonic The Retardhog would have been a good sprite for an adventure game. If you can without making me laugh hysterically, I'll buy you a Push Pop. Push it for flavour! Save some for later!

Meh, i think we all learnt something in this thread. God, i know i did.

Good to hear.

And there's DG..  DG for Christ-on-Toast's sake!  You let him post...

Quiet you! My posts are like candy and sparkles exploding out of your crotch.

Your picture sucks and there's not enough bandwidth here to write a long enough reply on how to improve it.

I think that was unnecessary...

It was neccessary. I was explaining why I thought Andail was right to lock it. I mean, how can you expect someone to give proper criticism when they draw Sonic The Hedgehog with down syndrome? This isn't a finger-painting class. Hell, I'm not the greatest graphic artist in the world (or on my block), but at least the spirtes in my games resemble things.

This is the thread so, read that and tell me how innocent moderators are.

Andail was right to lock it. Your picture sucks and there's not enough bandwidth here to write a long enough reply on how to improve it.

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DGMacphee,  can *I* call you Sir Spank-A-Lot? 

My room number is 233. You bring the champagne and I'll supply the handcuffs.

someone who hasn't got a proper grasp of the English language

I remember a time where most Elite members weren't so particuliar about the English language either. That's not a very good reason.

Way to quote me out of context. I did write stuff after that bit, y'know. 

"Elite" members (whoever the hell they are) might not be so particular about English. Case in point: The Butcher, who is one of the most charming guys I've ever met on the internet. But someone who "hasn't got a proper grasp of the English language who comes in here and demands everyone pay attention without following the rules set here" bugs the hell out of me. I can't speak for anyone else, but my guess is I'm not alone in thinking this judging by some of the responses here.

I have no standing to say this at all, but despite Flukeblake's blatant immaturity, I'm a bit appalled everybody decided to take a moral high ground over him. Can't anybody say "been there, done that"? And though you all mean well by defending this forum and community's honor, why throw oil on the fire?

Defending the community's "honor"? Sounds like I'm going to fight a dragon for the community, then have my knightly way with her in her quarters. HA HA CALL ME SIR SPANK-A-LOT, PRINCESS COMMUNITY! YOUR HONOR IS MINE! HA HA!

Ahem... excuse me...

Seriously, no one is defending anyone or anything's honour. We're just saying simply: "Respect the rules or get out".

We've all "been there" and "done that". But from what I've learnt, if you want to be taken seriously, or even just accepted or understood, you've just got to respect other people's wishes first, especially the wishes people who pay for and run things for free, like internet forums. And I've learnt some harsh lessons about netiquette. Some of those lessons were deservedly from moderators here. Sure, I don't think I know everything about proper netiquette -- I still eat my ones and zeros with my fingers like a messy grub. But I do know about respecting people who give us a place to talk about adventure games for free. So, I don't think I'm preaching from a high and mighty place. I think I'm just speaking from experience.

If you don't like it, go somewhere else. CJ pays for these forums and has appointed mods to do a job. They do their job very well. All of them. They don't need some whiney 12 year old telling them how to do their jobs.

You think that they're treating you "like a freak". No. They're not. They're treating you like someone who hasn't got a proper grasp of the English language who comes in here and demands everyone pay attention without following the rules set here. For example, your damn signature images is still too big. You still haven't changed it even after you've been told to by Darth. Not only that, you start some of the most illogical threads. You act like a troll. And then you demand to to be treated like a mature person.

I mean, when you go over to people's houses, do you immediately start jumping all over the furniture and demand the host to bring you some pie? No. Because you'd show some respect since it's their house. Same with this place. There are people who have been here a lot longer than you and can abide by the rules set by CJ and fellow oldies here. It's because they respect this place. You obvious show no respect. So why should we treat you like a mature person when you obviously have no respect for us and our rules?

Just find another forum to waste your time in. This place isn't for you. Go start a livejournal or something and write some bad poetry like all the other 12 year olds are doing. Hell, at least their poetry is amusing.

Have you ever seen The Battle of Algiers? If so, is that the kind of example you mean?

Bit of back story...

Andy once had a geocities cities site which was for a fake "kid actor" persona. I, being a dimwitted 20-something year old, fell for his cunning ploy by thinking the site was real.

The real Andy is actually a very smart, level-headed guy. I spoke to him on one occasion after he discovered the whole "Andy Penis" thing. And I was very surprised at how old he really was compared to how old he looked.

The Hokey Pokey.

Oh, I know you were so THERE. I've made it a goal each year to visit you and Patrick and buy something. Gotta support locally-made comics! Woo! (Note to all: Buy Raymondo Person. Even just visit the website.)

I forget which stall it was. It was somewhere in the middle. I had a map that showed where it was, but Plato made an error on it. (boom-ching!)

But The Evil Dead one I bought from the stall directly across yours.

Shhh, don't undermine my awesome find.

Actually, here's something you won't find on eBay. Along with me at the convention was my best friend Rick and another buddy of ours, Shannon, plus this friend of Rick's named Matt.

One of the guests was Leinil Francis Yu who was drawing stuff for people as well as signing stuff. Last year, Rick asked Stuart Immonen at the previous convention to draw him a picture of something special, but Immonen just acted like a pretentious dick and refused to do it. This year, Rick asked Francis Yu for the request...

Rick: You've probably been drawing stuff like Wolverine and that sort of thing all day, but what I'm going to ask is a bit... different...

Francis Yu: *laughs* Okay...

Rick: Can you please draw Iron Man drinking beer from his helmet?

Francis: Sure.



Beautiful!