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Haha!  Thanks Fish!  It was a great day to celebrate the 2nd anniversary of my 30th Birthday!

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I think this is a fantastic idea which, if carried out properly, could be a major step forward for those who want better graphics but can't achieve them on their own.

I think it should be possible to add enough room items with color variations, angles, etc. to make a near infinite number of room layouts possible thus avoiding oodles of games with the exact same backgrounds.  Would it be possible to alter wall colors as well?

This gives me tons of ideas .... fantastic man!  Kudos.

edit - somehow missed your last post which answered some of my questions.  Bang up job man ... if you need/want people to help with ideas and/or just testing sign me up

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hieronymous - you are more than welcome to post them in the Completed Games board.  Just post the appropriate warnings as needed.  Please either post in there, or send PMs to those that have asked about them and don't post about them in this thread.

Also, If anybody is interested in the other games take the interest into PMs to hieronymous so we can leave this thread about this game.

Thanks.

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I'm glad to know other people are interested in this [geeky] kind of stuff!

I wonder if Taco Bell will sponsor this one too! 

Didn't they do something when Mir came back to earth ... they put up a big target and said if it hit the target they'd give a free taco to everyone in America ... or something like that!

I want my taco!!!

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Yeah I knew why they were wearing the masks ...

I just don't agree with it.

At this point they have realized that, legally, there's nothing they can do to bring down the Church of Scientology.  So they have resorted to these protests which is really their only option.  In this type of "fight", when legal action isn't possible, there will ALWAYS be the threat of violence and harassment.  That's human nature.  One group is trying to stop another from their way of life ... who wouldn't fight against that?

To cite a couple of examples:

The founding fathers of the United States.  They stood up, in public view, and signed their names on a declaration of independence.   Knowing full well they were signing, potentially, their own death warrants.  They knew the risks but they didn't hide in the shadows.  They believed in their cause and were willing to put their lives on the line to achieve their goals.

Look at the civil rights movement of the 1960's.  Heroic men like Medgar Evers and Martin Luther King Jr. stood up in FULL view and declared their protests and their visions of right and wrong.  Both of them paid the ultimate price and their sacrifices paved the road for those that would follow.

In my opinion that's the way to make your point.  Risk it all to prove it to the world.  Don't hide behind masks letting others fight the fight for you.

In my opinion it's tantamount to terrorism.  Same anonymity, same tactics ...

I can't apologize for my "strong headed" opinions on this matter.

I don't respect it.

I won't get behind it.

No matter my feelings towards Scientology.

I guess it's just a matter of perception...

I wasn't trying to say that Christianity should be stopped today because of the Crusades 1000 years ago.  I was using that as an example to point out my disdain for ALL organized religions and it somehow turned into me supporting Scientology.  Confusing ... but I sort of expect things like that whenever religion is being debated on here.

I have spoken with a lot of Christians (not just Catholics) who, after I manipulate the conversation a little bit, have said such things as, "we should just nuke the entire middle east" or "the only solution is to kill 'em all".  1000 years ago or not, it seems the idea of a new Crusade isn't too far fetched in this day and age.

As for Islam and its "peace loving" majority ... that peace loving majority still makes women hide their faces and forces them to get the permission of their man to talk to other people.  They can't vote.  They can't go out in public.  They can't think for themselves.  That peace loving religion murders a woman that comes back to her home country trying to spark a democratic process.  While the crusades were 1000 years ago, Islam still seems to be operating from that time.  The religion of Islam is as bad as any other of the major religions in my eyes ... the 9-11 terrorists just throw more garbage on the already steaming heap as far as I'm concerned.

I'm fully aware that in the bullshit PC world we live in that I am not supposed to say those negative things against Islam because everybody will immediately assume it's a racist comment (but ironically just glance over my thoughts on Christianity without a second thought).  It's not a race thing, it's a religion thing. Or ... IT'S NOT A RACE THING ... IT'S A DISDAIN FOR ORGANIZED RELIGION.  Just to avoid 2 pages of being labeled a racist

Oh ... and Vince, thanks for the birthday wishes   I'm enjoying the chat as well!

I'm not really opposed to (or protesting) protests in general.  But this "protest" (at least what I've seen of it) came across as juvenile and intentionally inflammatory.  It's like they're picking a fight, all the while claiming that they aren't picking a fight.  And Anonymous?  You want to protest something, fine, man-up and do it publicly and don't hide behind anonymity.  To me that's cowardly and removes me from taking it seriously.

I can see your point ... however, once again, I think people simply aren't seeing my point.

I am not a fan of Scientology.

I never said that Scientology should be allowed to get away with anything simply because other religions have in the past.

I never said that Scientology shouldn't be stopped.

I never said there weren't other battles to be fought.  In fact I was suggesting there ARE other battles worth being fought.

The Crusades took place in the past in the name of a religion that is still practiced today.  The events we're discussing about Scientology were events that took place in the past in the name of a religion that is still practiced today.  The number of years is irrelevant to me.  The Crusades were 1000 years ago, yes, but die-hard Catholics still don't believe in evolution!  So the 1000 years hasn't progressed their thinking too much in my opinion.

My point about 9-11 is not plain wrong.  The terrorists that crashed those planes were Muslims and they carried out those attacks in the name of Islam.  Whether it's Islam as we [most] would want it to be, or their twisted perversion of it doesn't change the fact they murdered all those people praising Allah all the way.  I'm well aware that 99.99% of Muslims are peace loving and don't condone these acts, but it doesn't change the fact that ones who carried out these acts were Muslims.

Anyway...

Would it just be easier for everybody in here if I just typed (all in caps) I THINK SCIENTOLOGY NEEDS TO BE STOPPED!!

Well, you're only attacking the people that don't like scientology - which boils down to pretty much the same, if you think about it. Just saying.

Yes, I am primarily attacking those who are staging these protests because they (Anonymous) are what this thread is about.  However I am not only attacking them.  I made several points against Scientology, Christians, and Muslims as well.  If it's necessary I can cite several other examples of things I disagree with on other groups of people (not just Anonymous).

I feel I have quite thoroughly (on several occasions) made my [negative] feelings towards Scientology known.

Lastly, I don't see it as "boiling down to pretty much the same" thing at all.  Yes, I am opposed to Scientology.  However, I'm not going to go along with this Anonymous group simply because they too oppose Scientology.  I don't like what they're doing and I'm not going to pretend I do.  How would that make any sense?

Disagreeing with their methods doesn't mean I agree with Scientology.  It just doesn't.

Sorry man ... I wasn't trying to be saucy!  I was just repeating what those people had said about retirement to illustrate my point!  That's all.

And as for IMDB ... a few months ago I was doing my usual snooping on there ... and Connery was listed as "rumored" in the cast list.  Since he's been removed I would guess he's really not in the movie but that wasn't really my point anyway!  I was just teasing about celebrities and their so-called "retirements".

And The Doors will never EVER play again after losing Jim.

And Garth Brooks is absolutely retired and will NEVER tour again.

And Terrence Malick would never direct another movie after Days of Heaven.

And Natalie Portman was going back to school and wouldn't be in any more movies.

When celebrities make claims of retirement I only give it so much credence.  I think it's mostly just a way to make their "return" more dramatic and bring in more money at the box-office.  Connery's an old man ... so who knows, maybe he is actually retired.  When he dies (hopefully MANY years from now) and hasn't made another movie I'll believe it then

I agree with Mandarb. Scientology rocks!

Man ... I actually laughed out loud at that!

Too funny

Connery was also totally uncredited in Robin Hood (1991) ...

The box says Roswell ... which is why I didn't comment on that.  But comments on a pair of glasses being Indy's father, or that the warehouse is the "secret" storage place at the end of Raiders IS speculation, guess work, and potentially spoilers for the movie.

They aren't massively tragic revelations ... I'm not saying that.

But what if he had said (not really a spoiler, just making a point),

Spoiler

"Oh and I've heard that Indy dies at the end of this one!!"

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One benign comment to one, is a spoiler to others.

All I'm saying is for those of us that like going to the movies without having it spoiled it's not that hard for people to be respectful of that and to post using the spoiler tags or, at the very least, WARN about it before just spitting out speculation.

I certainly can't make anybody use them ... it's just courtesy.

Just didn't want you to feel attacked by what I wrote.

No worries ... wasn't feeling attacked really.

Darth, try to read up on the story of the town of Clearwater FL if you have the time. Or maybe operation snow white?
The protest aren't necessarily about stopping scientology, but to inform people about it as you'll have to pay plenty before the church actually does..

Church does what?

I think (as usual on the AGS forums) that my point isn't getting through.

I do not care about or support Scientology any more or less than I do any other religious group/church/organization (which is to say very little).  What "it" has done, is doing, or might do in the future isn't surprising to me and I don't really need to read countless examples of the bad things carried out in it's name to justify people's dislike of it.  I don't like it either.  For every atrocity committed by the CoS I can find one (or 10) committed by other religions that have been around longer.  It's all the same to me ... I really am not sure why this concept is hard to grasp?

It seems like everybody is under the impression the I'm defending Scientology.  Which I'm certainly not.

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I never suggested that people shouldn't protest ...

Actually you did - you called it hypocritical and selfish.

Actually I didn't.  I expressed my opinion about Anonymous' protest.  I didn't say they shouldn't or couldn't protest.  Just as the CoS has the right to exist, the people have the right to protest.

Some people have experienced nasty things with the COS and wish to protect others. You don't want to take part in that, because it hasn't affected you personally. It is left as an excercise to the reader which of the two is selfish.

No offense intended but that's a silly point.  A lot of people have experienced nasty things at the hands of Islam and Christianity as well.  Is it selfish that they aren't protesting against Scientology?  There are a lot of things I don't like and don't agree with ... If I protested all those things my entire life would be spent in protest.  That doesn't seem like a nice way to live.

I'm guessing that you're getting this animated about this subject due to some experience with the CoS so please understand I'm not attacking you nor defending Scientology.  If you believe strongly in a fight against Scientology, by ALL means fight the good fight.

I absolutely marvel how people get so heated at these kinds of debates.

Keep on protesting if you want.  I never suggested that people shouldn't protest ... simply that it's a waste of time that I won't take part in.

What the Church of Scientology might have done, without any of the protesting in the past, is pure speculation.

What all of the Churches (including Scientology) have done are the facts I take into consideration when forming my opinions.

Now don't get me wrong ... I find Scientology (and those that practice/preach it) incredibly creepy.  I'm not supporting Scientology in anyway.  Just expressing my opinion on the matter.

Do you really think because things happened in the past, things should be allowed to happen in the future?

No, nor did I even suggest that.

My head is not buried in the sand...

Anonymous can whine, bitch, moan, and protest all they want and guess what?  It will make no difference.  People have been bitching about Scientology for the better part of 50 years and they're still here.  They have a right to be here.  Just because we don't like 'em, doesn't change that fact.

I have done enough "research" into this matter to backup what I said in my last post.

• Scientology hasn't backed any Crusades that slaughtered countless Jews and Muslims (including women and children).


• Scientologists didn't hijack planes and fly them into buildings a few years ago.

So people can rally against the Church of Scientology all they want, and people can rally for it ... makes no difference to me.  From my own point of view, I don't like "pissin' in the wind".  Meaning I don't like taking a stand on something that will make no difference.  It's a waste of time.

People who are opposed to Scientology are entitled, those for it are entitled as well.  It should be pointed out that I'm not wild about Scientology (or the Church of Scientology since it seems important to point that out though I don't see the distinction really) I'm just pointing out things as I see them.

As far as "paying" to be a Scientologist ... I've been to countless Christian masses and watched every time as the "donation" plate was passed around.  Week after week ... so the fact that you have to pay for the Church of Scientology still doesn't set them apart from other churches to me.  They all take your money in some fashion.

Scientologists starved a woman and had bugs bite her...

Catholicism gave silent ascent to the slave trade and sat back and did nothing while millions of Jews were butchered in WWII...

Muslims strap bombs on their bodies and kill civilians or crash planes into buildings...

Meh ... one's no better or worse than another to me.

The trailer never says "these are indy's dad's glasses" or "this is the top-secret room from raiders" YOU said that ... hence the need of the spoiler tags.

Just use them.  It's common sense.

Further more ... if you're going to put things like that in this thread ... use the [ spoiler ] tags

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This has gotten way outta control ...

Any more discussion/talk of the boobs/breasts whatever ... will be deleted with no warning.  So don't waste your time and stop cluttering up this thread with the same stuff that was talked about FOREVER ago.