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Good to know the game is complete!  Congratulations!

You should start a thread in the Completed Games board with the announcement!  (which is why I've locked this, if you need it unlocked PM me with details!)

Okay I let it go on for a few days ... the point has been made.  If you don't like the content of this game, don't play it!  Let's keep the social commentary out of this production thread!

Okay ... enough!  Take the back'n'forth into PMs

I use mySpace all the time to troll for 13 year old girls posting slutty pictures of themselves!!

I'm definitely talking about definately not being a word.

Edit: Definately not a real word lol

Neither is "definately"

That rule always bothered me, because it's specifically aimed at the thread-maker. If the thread-readers have a less positive but still constructive criticism about something they're looking at, or even just an opinion, and can't post it, then the point of these threads goes waaaaaay down.

The GiP forum is for posting information about the game that is being produced.  Story, plot, development, etc.  Comments about the graphics are okay, but suggestions, paint-overs, etc. are not.  If we allowed CL like assistance, the threads would be full of Critics Lounge material (which is what the CL is for) and those that just want information on the game would have to sift through pages of off-topic posts about graphics.  As such, this is not the Critics Lounge.

Now that's it!  Back on topic!  Any and all comments regarding this matter should be handled in PMs.

I agree with the forum rules ... this is not the critics lounge.  If he wants advice/help with the graphics, he'll post in there.

I haven't posted in this thread in years ... thought I'd give a recent pic (taken today actually):

The Dread Pirate Mandarb

Silly I know ... but we had a costume contest at work so I took part.  It was fun.

Apparently I'll be sitting through a tropical storm...

Seconded, sadly.

We have a costume contest at work and, after much mind-changing and confusion, I've settled on a Wesley/The Dread Pirate Roberts outfit in honor of the 20th anniversary of the film.

Don't add anything obnoxious to indicate LAPD.

It looks like a police station to me (like I've seen in movies such as LA Confidential).  Another reason it does is because you said it was.  Also, in game, it's not like you're going to enter a police station and then enter this room and think, "whoa!  Did I just transport to a school?"

In the context of the game, this would never enter into a players mind.

no no no ...

You're all wrong!

The very best way to truely BE sorry, and prove it, is to find the line where the internet connects to your house (apt, domicile, etc) and cut that line and then never repair it.

Then we will all know how truely sorry you are.

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I compiled a comprehensive list of EVERY adventure game from the stone-age to the year 2018.

Here it is right here:

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now ... in order to read this you must open your computer case, take a large magnet, and run it back and forth over your hard-drive for about 15 minutes.  I know it's a long time magnet rubbing, but the list is really worth it!

Trust me it works.

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First off, Rick, very nice post.  Took me forever to read through it (and I'm sure I missed some) but still!  And yes, I respect Nik very much.  We see some things differently, sure, but in the end I respect him very much.

You can try to muddy the waters all you like, but it doesn't disguise the basic point that downloading without the consent of the copyright holders is stealing. Own up to it like Eric, or deny it (to yourself even) like Darth, but don't try to claim there isn't a crime, because when you get to court you will lose.

What, exactly, did I deny?  I owned up to the fact that I download, expressed the reasons why I do it,  and explained it MANY times.  And here, ONCE AGAIN, somebody tries to tell me that my reasons aren't real, that I'm doing it for the reasons THEY think.  *sigh*

By the way - downloading songs, movies and tv shows is entirely legal in the Netherlands. Uploading it is illegal.

It was, I thought, the same here in the States.  The people that are being busted are the ones offering the mp3, not the ones downloading them but I could be wrong.  I think it's silly to make downloading mp3 illegal.  If that's the case they better start arresting damn near everybody 'cause most people I know have, at one time or another, made a mix-tape (or CD) full of music and given it to somebody else or received a mix-tape (or CD) full of music they didn't pay for.  It's the same thing as uploading/downloading mp3.

If a person pirates, they're on the side of the pirates.

Nope, they're on their selfs sides.

Which is the same side as all the other pirates.  Tuh-may-toe Tuh-mah-toe.

Obtaining something you don't agree about the price of for free anyway implies you are greedy, rather than having a potent ideological standpoint

But shouldn't I be the one to determine what I think, feel, or believe on my own?  You interpret it as greedy, I do not.  I'm not a greedy person (not accusing you of calling me that, you simply implied it).

I see it as vastly different.

I'm tired.

So in the end, I don't have a chance of you buying my CD

Sure you do!

The money I'd be paying is still being paid to you, the artist.  What you choose to do with that money after I give it to you is entirely up to you!  How you choose to divy it up is entirely up to you.  If you have to give away all (or a lot of) the money to cover production costs then I would suggest you, perhaps, find a cheaper way to produce it

So what about the people who produce things that you want to listen to but the money doesn't go directly to them and you don't think it's a reasonable price?  You just...take it?

I'm not going to keep repeating myself . 

The answer can be found in many of the posts I've already made in this thread.

If one really wanted to take a stand that had more impact, wouldn't one want to deprive themselves of that service they were boycotting? If you don't want to give money to the big companies buy the album used from a record store, support the record store and get the music, awesome! Or deprive yourself of all music not morally purchasable and suffer for the statement. It's a stronger statement that way, in my opinion.

I totally agree, which is exactly what I'm doing.  I'm not against the cost of music.  I'm against the cost of CDs.  So yes, I don't buy them.  I find it a FAR stronger statement to obtain the music anyway without buying the CDs.  If you don't see it that way, so be it.  But wouldn't it be silly for me to do something based solely off somebody else's opinion on it?

The exact response I expected, "don't know him, don't care!" so the reality of a well known, respected musician getting screwed over by people downloading his music and not understanding or caring about the consiquences can be brushed aside as 'not a real world example'.

I never said I didn't care.

It's not just a difference of opinion, these are real people being affected by the mentality that you can take as much music as you like and nothing will happen other than some executives not being able to buy another BMW to replace the one they bought last month. I can post more stories and examples if you'd like, although you'll probably not have heard of the musicians in question so it's probably not worth it.

If you think posting more stories will help this debate, by all means, post away.

This Amon fella sounds like he got a pretty raw-deal.  Maybe the record companies (since they're the ones that arrange the concert tours, promotions, etc.) shouldn't only look at sales of CDs to determine an artist's popularity.  If the reason the sales were low was, truely, because of mp3 downloads (and not cause people just didn't like his stuff) they should clue in that people WANT this guy's stuff and they should use that.  But no, they see that they won't sell a lot of CDs so it's not worth it.  That is, to my way of thinking, short sightedness on THEIR part and they need to clue-in to the mp3/digital/download revolution!

The stance you take on the price of music has some elements of truth to it, but the way you have turned it into a strawman to justify taking your entertainment for free without giving it back shows nothing but contempt for musicians such as me and Nikolas, which is why we get so wound up about it. It's just totally greedy.

Ahhh ... the good ol' strawman!! I was wondering when he would show up!!  Once again, you're assuming you know what I believe in.  You can get wound up all you want but you simply  can't dictate the things I believe in or the reasons why I do the things I do based off your own personal feelings!  That's just not the way it works.

I will give you the same promise I gave Nik ... produce something that I want to listen to and I'll gladly pay you for it as long as the money goes to you and I think it's a reasonable price

So I'm confused, if something is too expensive in your eyes you have to have some sort of baseline you're judging it off of.. Something that is in your "price range" of reason. I'm also not talking to all the other pirates, I'm talking to you. I'm just curious what you think is too expensive. Albums generally seem to go for a dollar/dollar fifty a song?

You know what?  To be totally honest, I don't like the idea of CDs at all.  Whatever they lower the price to I won't be happy because a CD is too ... linear ... for me.  It's one band's 10 songs that, chances are, I'll like 2-3 tops on the CD.  If they lowered the price enough I would start buying them again, but it would be simply to rip it to mp3 and then put the CD away.

So what would make me happy and renounce my evil pirate ways?

A consolidated website (or service like iTunes) that offers:

1) every song ever recorded (as much as is possible) in high-quality mp3
2) no copy-protection and/or burn/play restrictions.  I'm buying it I can do whatever I want with it
3) unlimited downloads (no restriction on what or how much I can download)
4) a reasonable monthly fee (no more of this per-song crap)

When that (ALL 4 options, no middle ground) becomes available, or much lower CD costs, I'll gladly get on board and cease being a pirate.  Until then, the eye-patch stays where it is.

I'm a pirate. I pirate because I'm lazy/cheap/a thief/not willing to accept the way the market is supposed to work. People will do this as long as it's relatively risk free and easy to do. I'm not on anyone's SIDE here because no one needs me on their side.

It's good that you admit that.  That's like my brother.  He says, "I can get it for free.  I don't give a shit about all the politics involved.  I can get it easily and free so I'm going to"  Congrats!!  That's great!  But I don't understand why/how some people (not anybody in particular) have a hard time accepting that I download mp3 for a specific reason.  People do have ideals that they believe in (this thread is a perfect example of that!)

Lastly, I wasn't implying an, "us against them sword swinging" kind of "side" taking, but there are those that pirate, and those that don't.  If the moral police arrested all the pirates in the world the old, "but I'm not on their side!" excuse probably wouldn't fly.

If a person pirates, they're on the side of the pirates.

Just a warning!  Walk-behinds are a pain in the arse with this type of perspective.  My first game started off in this perspective and the walk-behinds made me switch to a different view.