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Seriously, let's not. The worst way you can approach such a multileveled issue is in broad and absolutist terms, I think.

In the interest of simplicity I put the comparison I was about to make in black/white terms so it I didn't have to say "When a white / black / spanish / cuban / mexican/ chinese / korean / mexican person makes a comment against a white / black / spanish / cuban / mexican/ chinese / korean / mexican it's not okay ... but when a white / black / spanish / cuban / mexican/ chinese / korean / mexican person makes a racist comment on a white / black / spanish / cuban / mexican/ chinese / korean / mexican person ..." everytime.

Figured most would get that?

I find an interesting hidden meaning in how you phrased something. You say either it's ok for all to be racist, or for none to be racist. That'd make you happy? Would you in some way be content if it was 'ok' for whites to be racist and blacks to be racist, everybody to be racist? This is leading to that maybe it's more important to push back racism in every place we can, even if it's not uniformly for now, than to consider racism a right and see how it would fall under equal such.

Really really wrong turn of phrase for you there, equal rights in racism, Darth.

I realize some of my previous posts have been rather "novel" like but I believe they validate the point that I'm against racism in any form.  There was no "hidden meaning" in what I said.

If a black person thinks they are entitled to racism (for whatever reason) then they have to accept that some white people are going to give it back.  It is NOT equal rights if we tolerate racism from some, but not others.  If we ARE going to tolerate it from some, it must be tolerated from all.

Just to clarify, it shouldn't be (in my opinion) tolerated from anybody.

Clear it up any?

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Why is it more serious for a white man to insult a black man than a black man to insult a white man?  Just because the history of bad things happening to them is more recent in your mind does not make it more relevant.

This is my sentiment exactly.

For the sake of simplicity, let's just talk in white/black terms:

As it stands now it's accepted if a black person is racist, but not a white guy.  It needs to reach a point where it's either okay for a white person to be racist OR it's not acceptable for a black person to be.  One or the other.

If black people want to be racist they need to accept Kramer saying "nigger" on stage.  Equal Rights.  Doesn't matter that America enslaved black people in the past.  This is now, not then.

Personally, as I've stated before, the biggest problem (in America) to my way of thinking is that the vast majority of its people have become a group of lazy-ass whining pussies (regardless of race).  The race-card/racism excuse is just another sad example of this.  Use anything you can to get the most benefit from the least amount of work and blame your inadequecies on anything but yourself.

I've heard a lot of chatter saying that white people should have to pay restitution for slavery.  I didn't have anything to do with slavery (as I stated before) and I will not give a single penny towards restitution for it.  I don't like that my country practiced slavery but, as I and others have commented on in this very thread, EVERY culture has practiced it in the past.  We aren't better or worse and black people (in America) don't deserve anything special as a result of it.

yeah that sort of 'we're in the same hate club by default' mentality is repulsive.

I've dealt with this before too ... I usually just shake my head and walk away.  Can't cure ignorance.

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The race for "Sexiest AGSer" is going to be a tight one this year!!

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Disco ... seriously bro, you do Michigan proud my friend!  Bra-frickin'oh!!!

Jesse Jackson's stint outside the Oscars was a frickin' joke ... If you scoop up 100 actors out of hollywood chances are 10 of the 100 will be black.

It's not a matter of discrimination.  It's a matter of odds and numbers.

And what happens the next year?  Will Smith, Denzel Washington and Halle Berry are nominated and Sydney Portier gets the life-time acheivement award.  I found it insulting.  Not that they were nominated/won but because it felt like (to me) that the Oscar committee was grabbing any role by black people just to avoid being called racist again.

I'd much rather be nominated for my performance, and not because of the color of my skin and some unfounded need to be politically correct.

Will Smith was awesome in Ali and Denzel was great in Training Day, however his performance wasn't better than Russell Crowe's in A Beautiful Mind.  But Russell could still go home and polish his Oscar from Gladiator so I was happy to see Denzel win the award (I'm a huge fan of his).  I won't comment on Halle Berry 'cause I dispise her.

A stunt like that isn't part of the solution.  Like Bryant Gumbal's ignorant comment that he wasn't watching the last winter Olympics because there weren't enough black athletes.  I can't recall hearing any white people complaining that the summer olympics are 90% black though...  But it's okay though ... cause Slavery.

Again, if a poor black person screams "racism" like the boy who cried wolf - that is further submitting to defeat.   So I don't feel at all threatened or bothered by that.   That person has made a poor personal choice.

I don't disagree with this.  You're absolutely right.  However I've witnessed it from prominant people who aren't poor.  Chris Rock comes to mind.

But who else besides the poor and Jesse Jackson are really threatening anybody?  If you are lazy, and you make a concious decision to grab at any excuse you can- say racism,  you certainly aren't putting yourself in a position of power.  You are submitting further to defeat.

On a personal level the person shouting "racism" is submitting to further defeat yes.  However, the white people that then (in fear of being called racist again) jumps and leaps to accomodate the ignorant piece of trash that just shouted becomes the problem.

For me it's not a matter of feeling threatened.  I don't feel threatened at all.  It's been my experience that the public perception of an event like this would steer towards the white person being racist not the black person that shouted racism.

Would this be any different if it were a black comic throwing insults at 2 white hecklers? Calling them honkeys, crackers, whiteys...etc.

This is exactly my point.  If, as evenwolf said, it was done with the same anger that Kramer was using.

It's not okay what he did.  But a black comedian doing the same thing is ALSO not okay.  But it's tolerated.  If it's tolerable by one race, it should be tolerable by all.  That is, to me, equal rights.  I don't care that blacks used to be slaves.

And the excuse that (can't remember who said it) 150 years isn't that long ago doesn't hold water with me.  I don't agree with that.  10 years is enough time.  There isn't a black person alive today that remembers slavery.  Hell ... I doubt there's a black person alive today that ever knew anybody that remembered slavery.

Again ... I'm not supporting any kind of discrimination.  I'm just pointing out what I percieve to be hypocritical double standards.  I didn't own slaves, I don't agree with slavery, were I alive 150 years ago I wouldn't have agreed with it then either.

Andail & Evenwold - I agree with you.  The mis-treatment of ANY group of people because of the color of their skin is intolerable.  I didn't mean/intend to imply otherwise.  I don't condone what Richards did ... it was incredibly ignorant.

My point was simply that I should think that in this day and age a silly little word wouldn't still retain so much power.  Especially given how freely it's used in movies and music.  So why can black people use it freely, but if a white person uses it it's global headline news??  That just doesn't make sense to me.

Have the white "race" suffered anything during the past, or nowadays? Have your parents been forced off of buses because of their pale skin? Were their parents hanged from lampposts, refused jobs, spat on etc?
Why do you think it matters what you think about the word "nigger"? Isn't the important thing if there, still today, exist people who use it to express their hatred, and if there exist people, still today, who feel hurt when hearing it?

My brother was held up at gun point by a black guy.  They arrested the guy later and he said one of the reasons he did it was because my brother was a "racist honkey" in need of killing.  He'd never met my brother before.

I think it does matter what I think about the word.  Too many people who think as I do don't say anything about it (for knowledge they'll simply be called racist and no attention will be paid to the merit of their opinions) and this rediculous notion of power the word has continues ... it's a vicious cycle that needs to stop.  It's just a word.  My not being black doesn't change that.

Not trying to be argumentative.  I just feel really strongly about this subject.

As for "cracker ass white boy", I think if Richards brought up race, it's fair game for the heckler to call him a "cracker ass". That's why the black guy isn't being called a racist. He's trying to fight Richard's on the same terms established by Richards. Fighting fire with fire, so to speak.

I can see your point there.  I don't agree.  I was taught an early age that two wrongs don't make a right.

It brings up another one of my theories which always elicits a chuckle from me ...

And what's up with the "why isn't a black person racist when he comments the colour of a white person?

So ... it's okay for a black guy to use racial slurs on white people because of slavery?  So ... to fight against racism ... you use racism?  I'm sorry, but no, that just isn't acceptable.  Racism, in anger or defense, is NEVER right as far as I'm concerned.  Again, two wrongs don't make a right.

Just to reiterate ... what Richards did was inappropriate.  He lashed out in anger (which is never a good idea).  I don't condone it nor think it was funny.  I just don't think it's any worse than a lot of the other shit I hear daily coming from non-white folk.

If a white person is ignorant enough to use that word in a derogatory manor then they aren't worth your time or consideration.  They're a low-class piece of shit and putting them in the public spot-light accomplishes nothing other than making the problem worse.  Given the current state of things I'm sure what I'm saying is probably ringing as racist to some people reading this.  I can only assure you that I'm not.

I'm all about equal rights ... however, letting one "race" be racist just because bad shit happens/ed to them in the past/present is unacceptable.  There's nothing "equal" about that.  It's ignorant.

My entire philosophy on racism is this: Racism = Ignorance

You can't cure ignorance, thus you can't cure racism.

People just need to accept the fact that there are ignorant folk who will dislike you simply because you aren't like them.  This is a fact that isn't going to go away.  A white person who hates black people is no worse than a black guy that hates white people.  Slavery or no slavery it's just as wrong.

Personally I think (not just the black) population of America needs to stop being so fuckin' sensitive.

The word "nigger" is just another word.  It is used freely millions of times a day in the black communities/pop culture but if a white person says it it's a frickin' capital offense.  Get over it for God's sake.

But ... but ... slavery?  White people are racist!!?!?

I've come across FAR more racism from people that aren't white.  But that's okay right?  If you're not white it's okay to be racist because ... because ... slavery right?!!?

It's 2006 ... get the fuck over it.

Find me a civilization/culture in history that hasn't, in some form or another, practiced slavery.  We aren't unique here in America.  Stop whining about it and using it as a crutch and move on.  You can't make a better future by living in the past.  Should it be forgotten about?  Certainly not.  Is it a bad thing that it happened?  Certainly is.

Now please, I implore you AGS readers, do NOT use the defense "but you're not black ... you just can't understand".  That's the most ignorant defense in the history of the world (next to "we were just following orders").

I can understand perfectly.  Maybe I don't relate (though I can trace my family back to times when certain members were "slaves" of a sort), but I DO understand.  I understand that using the race-card is the perfect excuse to whine and complain until you get what you want.

Now of course, due to the color of my skin, what I've said will most likely be interpretted as racist.  This I expect.  But I'm sick and tired of the bullshit double standards that have risen in America because of an institution that was abolished (by white people) 150 years ago.  Get over it.

Now ... all that aside, Michael Richards did step over the line.  There's comedy and then there's inapropriate.  Of course, as is typical, the video only shows the outburst.  It doesn't show the jack-ass in the crowd heckling him for 20 minutes.  Does it mean Richards is a racist for using the dreaded "n" word?  I don't really think so ... maybe it shows low-class that he would resort to using it.  But again ... that word is given sooooo much power he knew full well he could hammer down on that jack-ass by using it.

Nobody is commenting on the fact that the "black trash" piece of shit called him a "cracker ass white boy".  In my opinion "cracker" is just as racist as "nigger" but it's okay for the black fella to use it right?  Because of slavery.

Ignorance.

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Awesome style ... thanks for the update!

There was this one game ...

The earth was destroyed and the main character realized his adventure was just beginning in the universe!

Such a great game.

I was more concerned about the over-all graphics being temporary.

One could make the argument that, as it progresses, a game's appearance will change over time.

If the development of the game is going along and you decide to update your sprites (or tweak your backgrounds, whatever) that's one thing.  To post a GiP thread knowing they are temporary graphics is another.  If you aren't far enough along in production to have sprites and BGs in place (that you're planning to use) then I feel that's too early to post a GiP thread.  I understand the desire to let people know you're working on a great game and all that ... but personally, I'd rather not know about the game until it's WELL under way.  This is, of course, just my opinion.

All to often we see promising GiP threads for games that don't get made because the author of the game lost interest in it after he made his first 2 screenshots and some temporary sprites ...

[Vince]

Vince - some valid points.  I guess I'm more of a passive watcher of the show.  I simply enjoy the mystery and go with it.  I have a suspicion that, in the end, it'll all tie together nicely.  But who knows?  I could just as easily be wrong and it's just a big social experiment by the writers to see how far they can confuse us and in the end it'll all be an evil type-writer that has come alive.

It didn't add anything, and it was a waste of Nathan Fillion (swoon).

Do I sense a fellow browncoat in our midst??

Steve - I can't imagine that, even if they make up the stuff as it goes along, they don't have an end-all goal in mind.  Perhaps you're right and my above statement may come to pass.  It would be upsetting and I highly doubt that's the case.

Personally, I watched the first, maybe 6 episodes of lost, got completely bored with the nonesenciality of the whole shebang and stopped watching. I believe it saved my sanity. It is a bad, over-hyped piece of shite which a turd of mine could write better.

What were we saying about attention spans??

Sure, but I think the original point/question was, why do we say "nineteen hundred" but not "twenty hundred"? "Nineteen hundred" is obviously easier/quicker than "one thousand nine hundred". But "twenty hundred" is actually longer to say than "two thousand".

I gotcha!  I mis-understood 'cause you quoted my text above it (thus I thought you were calling me lazy!)

I think, technically, if we had the convention of saying nineteen-whatever we should probably stick with that and use twenty-whatever.  No matter how awkward.  Then again ... I reckon it really doesn't matter.

If I say 2K6, twenty-oh-six, two thousand six, or "in the year of our lord two thousand plus six", I think most people will get it.

If you think Lost is consistent with a real plan behind it, you're the one with a short attention span.

Do you write for the show?  Have you talked w/ the writers and had them say to you, "we don't know where the story is going"?

Somehow I doubt it.

But that's fine! If it's too complicated to hold some people's attention spans then they simply shouldn't watch it.

However, bad-mouthing it [or anything] before it's over just seems ... ignorant ... to me.  How can you honestly say it has no plan (and is inconsistant) when you couldn't possibly know that yet?

Don't get me wrong ... you are, of course, entitled to your negative opinion on the show.  I just don't get how you can say what you did when the show isn't over.  It's a mystery.  That's the point of it.  It has just as much character, plot, and thematic content as BSG. 

I love BSG.  It's a great story, characters, etc.  However, I've never seen anything in Lost that is 1/10th the hoaky crap that is the cockpit chatter of BSG.

Laziness??

It doesn't (at least for me) have anything to do with that.  For me, 'twenty OH six' just feels awkward and gangly.

Anyway, you're all hopelessy unhip. You should be saying "two kay six"!

It's actually funny you mention that.  I commented on it in my last post, but decided to cut it out.  My brother and I had this ongoing joke about the whole Y2K bug thing ... and since we've referred to this first decade as 2K-whatever.

Lost as a game?  Horrible idea.  I don't want to play a game that has no known ending or resolution.

As for Vince's comments.  I disagree.

Some of the characters aren't very well developed (yet).  But others are VERY well developed and portrayed.  Not to mention how perfectly (though maybe not known yet) tied together all the characters are.

The mid-season finale last week was one of the best hours of TV I've watched in a long time.  They make you think one thing ... then reveal it as something else.  It's an entertaining ride.

I, personally, believe the the writers of the show know exactly what they're doing.  It's far too random and full of the un-explained to not have a final point in mind.

I think the thing the show suffers from the most is that it's very complicated and the world's attention span these days doesn't stretch much beyond worthless shit like MTV Cribs and crappy reality TV shows.  They don't get the answers they want and are confused ... so instead of sticking it out and enjoying the mystery, they tune out and poke fun at it rather than giving it a chance (not specifically directed at you Vince).

I'm with Voh on this one.

Were I to be alive after 2100, I'd say "twentyone-whatever" just like we said "nineteen whatever"

It's only the 2000-2009 that are the uncomfortable ones for me.

Once it's 2010 it's "twenty ten" and so on ... but below ten it sounds odd to say "it's twenty OH six" so I usually just say "two thousand six" instead.  I can't wait for 2010 so I can start saying "twenty ten"

I'm really excited about it!1!!!!!1!

If those aren't actual screens you're going to use in the game you should have waited longer before posting.

Please provide some information about the game.

what's it about?

when will it be done?

what's the progress?

There are some sticky threads in this board you can read if you need help.

Let's get back on topic here ... any more messages not about this Vampires Quest will be deleted.

I think the purple hair could use some work ... but other than that, the image is solid.

I like the use of color in the dog's hind legs.  Very well done.

I'm not sure why the angel is on the stripper pole, but that's your choice.

Keep up the good work!!