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lol, and i thought i was the only one who had played Full Throttle! that game rocked, but i lost it!   ... ... :'(

Um, it's one of LucasArts' most beloved game of all time.

While this argument has some validity, it is unfortunately rather unrealistic.  On other adventure forums where amateur games are discussed (and such discussions are fairly few and far between), the games that get the most notice are games such as Out of Order, which is not AGS-developed, and the Tierra offerings, which are are polished to about as a possibly high a technical standard as the technology allows, which is a rare case in AGS games.  

Which is bad. AGS needs more good, long polished games. Take a look at the ags games page, full length games: http://www.agsforums.com/games.php?category=1. 15 out of those 18 games were made by persons 18 year old or above at the time (Lucasfan and the guy who made the qfg parody may be, their profiles don't say). Even if we would loose many of the games in the short or medium category, those 15, which define AGS, would remain. I don't think that's so bad. Unlike you, I don't like the idea of releasing a game to the ags community alone. The only reason we like short efforts is because we know the effort involved. Like you claim, they don't become known outside our forum. I believe that's because they don't know the effort involved and simply judge the game for what it is, a game. So if a short 4 room game doesn't become known outside this community, well, maybe it shouldn't have been released. So, an 18 year old age limit would certainly drop the number of games released significantly, but I argue that most of those we would lose deserve to.




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Sometimes hoaxes are funny. Like that one in the 50's abotu the 2 girls who said that they were friends with fairies!   But some are just stupid!

That was the 20s, but yeah. Stupid Doyle .

He only linked to the original video clip though even, this one has the remix.

A large community is simply more encouraging to those who want to create a game.  After all, the more people that play the games, the better.  And if a younger user's only function is to play games that other people make, so be it.  He should be welcome just the same.  After all, he is the reason games are made at all.

http://www.adventuregamers.com/forums/index.php
http://www.fourfatchicks.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?Cat=
http://www.lucasforums.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=187
http://www.ngongo-b.net/index.php?PID=15
http://www.justadventure.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi

We're not making games for the ags community alone. There are many forums adventure gamers visit, and if you want people to play your game, release it there.

[Q: What's the average age of people in the AGS community?]

Like you, I'm assuming an age restriction would be feasible for the sake of the debate.

"[the] younger demographic has a large presence and an important role within many online communities."

From the ags website's faq:

Q: What's the average age of people in the AGS community?
A: A survey on the messageboard a while back showed that most people who use AGS are in the 16-25 age group, although of course there are people of all ages there; the community has had members as young as 11 and as old as 66.

What younger demographic? Average age of 16 to 25, and this survey is about two years old as well.

Most fans of adventure games were introduced to it by the classic games from Sierra and LucasArts, and that age group is now mostly 18 years or above. This particular community, being based around an adventure game authoring system, simply does not need the influences from a younger demographic because all the good adventures, and thus it's fans, are old.




"Would you honestly say this community would be better off without the efforts of those listed?"

I'm not attacking any individuals here, but what noteworthy games have they released? Alien Rape Escape and Satan Quest. 2 games, out of 13 people. The forum exists because of ags, and should revolve around it. It seems to me most of these kids would be just as well off on any other forums available on the Internet.




You say an immature member will inevetiably leave after a while, and thus does not pose a big problem. I can agree with that to a certain extent, but it's the sheer number of those members which at times make the forums intollerable. I'm sure most have witnessed a burst of immature members if they've read the forums for more than a month. At times you can't read a single thread without someone acting like a preschooler in it. It is hard to  maintain a serious level of discussion in a thread if you are interrupted with posts such as "ü suck and ür mother". Also, While the people making such posts may leave after a while, their posts are seen for weeks, even months after they're gone in threads with long lifespans. So in a way they're never gone. This is how forums work, there is no time passing. A person is only present in a forum if his posts are. He never truly "leaves".

In general these posts, while few compared to the total amount of posts, degrade the forum. When you're in a new place, it's only wise to act like the people there. But what does those posts make the people here seem like they act like?




"It would devastate the community to simply alienate a large percentage of its members with a single stroke."

At first sure, but I think it would only benefit from it in the long run. It'll be a fresh start in a way. With less members, more mature members, the quality of the games released would rise. Look at some of the best ags games made. Pleurghburg, Rodekill, Robert Redford, Book of Times, Larry Vales, Night of the Hermit. All of them made by people older than 18 years.

Certainly, a few quality games would then never get made by those unlucky enough to be younger than 18 years of age, but if it also means the end of release of hundreds of unfinished game tests mostly exclusively made by kids, I think the good effects outweighs the bad.

Also, if, like you say, a large percentage of the members would be gone as a result, then all the better. The forum has 53502 total posts and 917 members. The larger a community is the less of a community it becomes. I know this may seem like a cheap point, but having been a member of the forum for two years in three weeks, I can honestly say that it was better before with less members. If we loose, say, 60% of the members, and the remaining members are all 18 years and above, it'll only be good for the community.




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Platformerius is the name of 2ma2's test custard, so she obviously has.

Carol: It was just a test to see if it was possible. While it succeded to a certain extent, ags is not designed for platform games and a platform game longer than that test would be take much too long to make with it. There are plenty of other engines out there designed specifically for platform games though, and a lot of homemade platform games have been released. Go to google and look for some.

Eternal Daughter is a good one.

If you're talking about 2ma2's art though, it's his and noone can use it to make a game but him, which I doubt he will anytime soon.


Welcome to the forums .

"Out of Order" isn't a RON game :p.

Q: What do you do while you are programming?

A: Make programs!


Any prizes for the correct answers?

I'm from Germany, Essen to be specific. Also I'm dyslexic.

[size=8]may be a lie[/size]

Judging from the url, I bet it's the coolest Shawno with a web presence.


Tough luck rode.

I miss that ad.

That's pretty damn nifty.

Two complaints though, the little boxes used for links such as e-mail etc. are way too small, at least for 1280*1024 res. Maybe make them wider or something, and/or a different colour than the background.

Plus, the headline has the same colour as the links which made me confused at least. Probably missed a few links I thought were just blue for emphasis. Also on the history page you really mix with the link colours a lot. On the "Show by names only, including a winner" sentence I clicked show two times before realising the links where to the right.

Ah well, better than I could do, so don't feel offended .

Assuming a max of 20
STR:  6 (wimp)
INT: 9 (average)
WIS: 7 (I don't learn from my mistakes)
DEX: 5 (I'm not sure if I've moved any the past four days)
BANANA: 3 (I like bananas)

Children: 0
Married: No
Time spent having sex with female members of the royal family: Zero seconds.

Class: Geek

Thats why I also wrote LA in the subject title.  If I just wrote LA, then no one would know what I was talking about, nor would they care to look or reply to the thread....  

That's what I meant was wrong, the (LA) bit. The games mentioned in that article were all made by LEC as it were.

*pedant*

I thought of that but they hardly resemble.

Not that any other character does.

You win again.

Take a pic of the cool shiny thing when you get it will you?

Of course you will.

Also ask him what the hell ^_^;; is supposed to resemble.

Check out "Eric the Unready" and the other games by the company that made it. Works just like what you described.

Before you get too obsessed, learn the difference between Manga and Anime .

I'd just like to say, in Sasha's defence, that it wasn't actually her who started talking about anime...

I am rubber you are glue.

Lilo and Stitch was Disney's best animated feature in a LONG time. Don't diss.

That only makes it less crap, not more good. I loved the art style and basic plot, then they seemed to decide the plot development was boring and fast forwarded through the whole film in order to fit in more fast scenes. Disney needs to stop munching speed.

here

I took away abandon loader from the search as it cropped up in half the results. Most of the sites downloads for it doesn't work, but keep trying. I found one on the 2nd/3rd page.

Love google.