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I totally agree, squinky. I'd be the biggest hypocrite myself if I suggested that I constantly think of dying children. I don't. That'd be one way to go insane, yeah. I'm in my own little world most of the time. We are animals, there's safeguards in our 'theoretical consciousness' of what goes around in the world, where when the scope gets too big, the idea of pain just becomes abstracted into nothing. Life is egotistical, we mostly care about what happens to us. I'm not arguing this is 'good' or 'bad' (morality on such a fundamental level I find is misplaced) just that that's how it is. But when I do stand up to make strong opinions, I try to remember the bigger picture. I've seen people behave so obnoxiously about second hand smoke, I just HAVE to ask what they think about real injustice, about real life-and-death situations. I don't get the american for example that complains about second hand smoke but also elects Bush in office who then goes on to bomb children. I just can't understand where the line is drawn, where the 'little thing' can be argued to death with voices so loud, and where the 'big thing' is pushed aside.

I really like how there's a constant crusade against second-hand smoke, and people are all talking about RIGHTS LOL OMG, especially in the US, while at the same time innumerable human casualities occur in wars, or from starvation and disease every day, in countries where 'RIGHTS LOL OMG' means nothing. I like how exploitation doesn't exist when you're not looking at it. I like how the city-dwelling middle-class westerner balances his priorities, I like how a piece of paper with tobacco in it can become, if constantly pushed and presented properly, a bigger deal than a dead child. We're doing a great job all around.

I don't smoke, but I don't care about second-hand smoke. I really, really don't care. I can get cancer from the constant horrible hypocrisy around my just fine anyway. Heart cancer, and brain cancer and emotion cancer. We're doing great.

What offends me most is not the picture itself, as it's fake and I was 13 or so when Carcass album covers and inlays completely desensitized me to collage shock imagery. What offends me most is considering the notion that somebody actually sat down and spent time  photoshopping this. If it was drawn I wouldn't mind, you'd have to get inventive to draw this. But someone found pictures of sausages, pig heads, various porn women, a pig farm and quietly went about constructing this picture to make a joke that isn't there. THAT is the internet phenomenon, not what the picture signifies.

I agree it's not a pleasant picture to look at, but I don't feel shocked because this is not a picture of somebody actually doing this act, and the photoshop is not good enough for my brain to start interpreting this as such. That would really shock me and confuse me because I don't want to be reminded that some people use their evolution-given thumbs to stuck 20 sausages up their anus.

Yeah Andail, all that stupid 'I like women who have such and such qualities' discussions that people constantly have just usually go down the drain when you meet someone you're inexplicably attracted to. Goes to show that these things are pre-verbal and that the qualities are much more mystifying and complex and should not idly be tackled via objectiying exposition of the 'I like redheads' type.

However, readheads freak me out and I've never met one that I didn't instinctively desire to kill.

Yeah, thanks.

Every stupid person loves irony.

This thread is going pretty well too.

This is good small. I thought about making an 150x100 game once, even made scotch or fuzz write me a plugin so it ran fullscreen on AGS, but never persued it further. Would such a thing be of interest to you?

Kinoko aren't you engaged or something? What is your man doing?

And also, lots of personality can get pretty overbearing. Opinions can get pretty overbearing. Disrespecting the vital space you've set out with the other person by being overbearing can get pretty overbearing. Sometimes silence is sexy.

The megaman x and x2 for example, is save-stated and the dude ran it at 1% speed or something. Still takes planning and edurance, but not so much mad skillz as you might think.

So what?
It's still frikkin' amazin'!

Now watch carefully how I go back in time and agree with you on my post you quoted.

you offended the spelling police most of all. They're not the forgiving kind.

Okay, then if it were a woman who, say, was a better artist, or more intelligent, or whatever threatens you, would their attractiveness, to you, be hindered?

I'd say that's turn me on even more. I'd get to properly punish her in bed for being better than me in these respects. I meet a lot of women who are much better read than me, but very rarely those who have lots of things to say that I find 'new' and whose personality I find very charismatic. If that makes any sense. I'm hesitant to say 'smarter than me' because intelligence is so damn complicated...

Go away.

This isn't about sexiness, really. Although yes, most women feel pressured (or want to, or a combination, I'm not going to try to understand) to appear pretty and available and whatnot. Men are available by default, it seems to be the instinctual status of things. We were discussing how women and men can talk all this shit about sexuality in theory, and in the end the sexual aspect of a relationship usually strongly depends on 'bad' traits like domination, objectification, control, pure animal lust etc. Of course there's existential loneliness, where, compassion, understanding, a vivid mental connection with the other person are much more important, but we were discussing the sexual aspect of things. Which doesn't mean they're not interconnected in rediculously difficult to understand ways...


As to femininity, geekiness, I can only speak for myself, but it's not clothing or make up that makes the difference, it's how a person carries herself, little pre-lingual things they do that I won't try to explain that ignite desire. I find it kind of sad that much of this modern disease that is projecting availability through clothing, make up, mannerism and whatnot simply fails on me because I seem to be looking for other things that are automatically there. The way a person looks at you does a million more things than their chosen outfit for the day. I say, don't sweat the 'sexiness' aspect of it, at all. You'll be sexy to some people anyway, and from that section, some you'll find attractive as well. You can't really do much more than that. Even if you try to project an artificial image, when you get in a relationship after a week or so you simply forget what you were trying to project and you're back to same-old you, so if someone's going to stick around, it's going to be for you, so why mislead him anyway?


Maybe you'll understand women that desire a degree of objectification more when you'll find this to work for you as well. Might not ever, but I doubt it. I put it up to your past record of relationships (not that I know much about it, but guessing) than there actually being something significantly amiss with you. Passion and desire and all that cannot be quantified, but lack of such can be quantified to fuck and it can paint a pretty unpleasant picture. Don't sweat it.

About guys and their money... I have to say that's a pretty base way to look at it. Attractive men are about being exceptional in many ways, about rising above of the pack. That Simpsons episode comes to mind (Bart:"what is it about the good-looking rebel that plays by his own rules?" Every female in proximity lets a lustful sigh ) Money's a way, but it's not only that. I've never felt threatened by the presence of a wealthy man in my life, nor will I ever. I've felt threatened by awesome artists, people who are more knowledgable than me, very handsome men, better guitarists, even people with longer hair than mine (not that I ever meet that last type any more) but more money? No.

Where do you fit in? Where everybody else does. You'll fit in just fine. There's compatible people to you, you're compatible to other people etc etc You're experiencing down-time, don't overintellectualize it.

The masking reality part is in that nobody's trying to dress up pooping in so many words that people are trying to dress up sexual urges, and the handling of them.

Maybe the new age stuff (which I won't dismiss outright) are after-the-fact rationalizations for people without strong libido, who never actually reach the mindset of "ME WANT WOMAN FLESH". Generally a lot of 'pleasant ideas' and nice words that people say about sexual practices or how they should be, like open relationships, multiple partners, no belonging etc break down in practice exactly because sex is about primordial drives, it's about ownership, about domination, about jealously, control, cruelty even. Lust hasn't changed a lot, the basic instincts of people haven't changed a lot, and by talking a lot about 'how things should be between men and women' I don't see much change occuring. I just see people struggling with different sets of identities.

It's actually pretty schizoid that we (well, I for example, but a lot are like that) feel compelled to treat women with respect and all that I've been socially programmed in social situations, and then I find myself reverting to pretty straightforward animalism in other situations. It's fun, but it's also masking reality in a very big way.

Well some people in the porn industry obviously are there because they enjoy whatever the process makes them feel, call it objectification or whatever else. Honestly this isn't about porn people only anyway, I've never been with a woman that wanted to be treated like 'a person of equal rights, a liberated woman and a human! in bed anyway. Some form of objectification is in effect...

Anyway others get there to pay the rent and stay there because they also come to enjoy it. Others stay because they like the money and can't scale back into something less. God, this is so oversimplifying I feel like punching myself. I can't say what percentage of women (I'm not even going to discuss men) loathe being in the porn industry, but such a percentage must exist. It gets scary when you move away from american high-profile, clean (to the degree where cocaine for breakfast is clean, at least) porn industry and go to other places of the world where both recruitment and practices are a lot less savioury. Should I go 'that serves you right! you LOVE being objectified, huh?!' to a czech girl that was pushed on the streets as a prostitute from 15, and then recruited into the 'industry' at 18? Does she know any better? Where's the distinction, the willpower behind the 'choice' for which she should now reap the benefits?

nah I'm just saying theoretically that if there were a thread backups section in this forum, this would really not be the thread you'd choose to put there. And via tickling we'd get you to go along with it. We can tickle you anyway if you like.

eric and everybody, some of these speedruns lose a lot of their charm when you find out they're tool-assisted speedruns. The megaman x and x2 for example, is save-stated and the dude ran it at 1% speed or something. Still takes planning and edurance, but not so much mad skillz as you might think. They're not hiding the tool-assisted aspect. There's people doing no tool speedruns too, and they can get pretty amazing too.

Red skin, suncream in the nose and stockings with flip-flops.

Yahtzee?