Okay. Closure, then. Some explanations, mainly for the people PMing me. Please try to read this as I ment it, meaning, without any attempt being made at overdramatizing. Sure it comes off a bit corny, but that's due to me being wordy, and my inability to be as precise as needed to make fine points as I would like to when using the english language. Try to not picture a weeping helm when reading this, for I am anything but.
I do not hate Yufster. I actually do not feel as strong or as negative an emotion towards anyone. The reason I chose to word my initial post as I did was because I wanted to emphasize my point, even in a somewhat descriptive way. In restrospect I find that a poor decision, seeing how it provided grounds for a number of people to make obvious accusations towards me with a startling solidarity (IT SI ILLEGAL TO THREATNE PEOPL!!!!!!!!!!!!11111). If you knew me even just a tad better, you'd understand the spirit in which the original post was written. I am a bit... agressive when I'm doing this sort of thing, and the reason you do not see any oldie really take notice is because they've accepted me as I am. Just like how Cpt. Mostly sometimes is given to not making complete sense, or Mods will always say something sexual, or eric being 40 feet tall and a time traveller, Helm is given to being a bastard. And he's forgiven. You simply do not know me enough to pass judgement like you're the final arbiter. I'm sure Yufster will not cry over some hairy greek person wishing bodily harm to befall her. If she did, she'd be a whole different person, one that I probably would never take stabs at. In fact (would you believe it????2?2?22222) I do not wish Yufster died a horrible horrible death involving melted icecream and an exposed powerline. Detained from the use of a computer, maybe. But not killed. Maybe maimed. Hm.
Anyway, what is important is this: When I wrote the original text and clicked "Post", I did it after a good long while of thinking. But I did it effortlessly. There was a time when posting an oppinion on lesser things had more of an impact on me. There were times, like when I had sort of a falling out with DGM, or that other time with Andail, that I felt geniunely sad. Hell, even one time when we pulled a prank with eric and there was Helm Open Season, that had quite emotional effect on me. In fact, I'm pretty certain some people never completely forgave us for that one (well.. me, I guess. Eric is too loveable to hold a grudge against) and when I recall the memory, I still feel bad. There was a time when we were debating a matter with Las or Britney that I went through my post 30 times (although it didn't really show) before submitting, for fear of construsion. Their oppinions really mattered to me. And to thoroughly present my point, there were times in the past when I felt very glad to be part of the community. Like the whole Whiteboard period, or Butch and Glodmnu making threads a joy to read. Most of the 'oldies' that have endured are people of character and essence, for me. Even when I do not always agree with them, there's a certain deal of respect there. Their oppinions and words -whereas not the focus of the boards for me, the games ware always the point- ment something to me, and I took them seriously - even too seriously.
Over a long period, these forums have become less a community for me, and more like a joke. A bad joke at that. And it doesn't have to do with 'newbies'. Nor does it (completely) have to do with the games you have to make. I remember when Grundislav was a newbie and I read his posts and I thought "this person is bringing something to the community. Without him, the AGS scene would be poorer". Or Timosity, or Yak, they posted, I listened. I find it hard to listen to Yufster, or Jimi, or Femme F or a number of other people. Why? It's not the games, as DGM says. In fact, the games I've made I do not really like anymore. So why?
Because these people have priorities I do not approve of. They 'hang around', and they get on their soapbox and rant and they chat chat chatter chatter bicker argue elephants it's a dangerous place. And that doesn't say to me "I'm prepared to be commited, to be honest and to listen" it says "I'm looking for an audience, I'm looking for chat buddies to fill up my vacant life, I'm looking for people that have something to say, anything to say about what I just said" And that was so sad I gradually stopped caring about them completely. In fact, I hoped that if I ignored them, they would go away. Believe me, we hoped that if we ignored them, they'd go away. But apparently there's enough of them around, so they can talk to each other and feed off their needs. And gradually, the forum filled up with that sort of stuff until it's nigh impossible to ignore. Lots of people left because of this, I suspect. Does any of you new people know who Unilin is? Esseb? Scid? Ghormak? Eric? Jarnokob? Goldmund? Butcher? 2ma2? Andail? In fact, besides my screen name, does any of you know anything about me? I do not speak for these people, but I suspect the reason they've distanced themselves from here was exactly because it's so hard to swallow the fact that their community is now this. Yufster striking out swear words, Jimi hating his dad because he looks at him when he plays guitar, and kikme living forever.
Is this unfair to some of you that may have been categorized along with the rest as 'useless'? Yes. I'm sure undergroundling will in time make honest contributions to the community on many levels. Or others. But the truth is this: tough luck. You've been handed a difficult hand, so make the most of it. People might not be so favourable to newbies as they once were, after months of grating oversaturation, but the commited people will shine through. It is the crux of what I am saying, the fact that so many of you rushed to reply so thoroughly to such a thread, so eager to share your oppinion with others without first considering your motivation to do so. You actually provided a source of amusement for a number of us, that fail to take you seriously exactly because you're not people striving for something, you're just names with oppinions attached to them.
The general general board has been in a constant state of decadance for a while now. I think it's useless and if it was in my ability, I'd shut it down. Most of the people that I do find worth communicating with have already migrated to greener pastures. Instead of further adding to this mess, I choose to leave the 'community' aspect of these forums, while I will still post and participate in activities, or critique art, or discuss technical issues, or more importantly I will still download the games, and I will still try to make some games. I've come to terms with the fact that as far as the forum goes, this is not the place I fondly remember, and it is impossible to go back at said memory, no matter how I might entertain thoughts of how horribly mutilating a number of you classifies as 'a good start'.
So, I hope my final post in gen gen for a good long while has shed some light in a number of things. I honestly prefered the original sudden and loud bang to the spelled out B-A-N-G I've resorted to post, but eh, at least now I won't have to go to jail for my vicious verbal assault on Yufster. Right?
-Helm
-Helm
I do not hate Yufster. I actually do not feel as strong or as negative an emotion towards anyone. The reason I chose to word my initial post as I did was because I wanted to emphasize my point, even in a somewhat descriptive way. In restrospect I find that a poor decision, seeing how it provided grounds for a number of people to make obvious accusations towards me with a startling solidarity (IT SI ILLEGAL TO THREATNE PEOPL!!!!!!!!!!!!11111). If you knew me even just a tad better, you'd understand the spirit in which the original post was written. I am a bit... agressive when I'm doing this sort of thing, and the reason you do not see any oldie really take notice is because they've accepted me as I am. Just like how Cpt. Mostly sometimes is given to not making complete sense, or Mods will always say something sexual, or eric being 40 feet tall and a time traveller, Helm is given to being a bastard. And he's forgiven. You simply do not know me enough to pass judgement like you're the final arbiter. I'm sure Yufster will not cry over some hairy greek person wishing bodily harm to befall her. If she did, she'd be a whole different person, one that I probably would never take stabs at. In fact (would you believe it????2?2?22222) I do not wish Yufster died a horrible horrible death involving melted icecream and an exposed powerline. Detained from the use of a computer, maybe. But not killed. Maybe maimed. Hm.
Anyway, what is important is this: When I wrote the original text and clicked "Post", I did it after a good long while of thinking. But I did it effortlessly. There was a time when posting an oppinion on lesser things had more of an impact on me. There were times, like when I had sort of a falling out with DGM, or that other time with Andail, that I felt geniunely sad. Hell, even one time when we pulled a prank with eric and there was Helm Open Season, that had quite emotional effect on me. In fact, I'm pretty certain some people never completely forgave us for that one (well.. me, I guess. Eric is too loveable to hold a grudge against) and when I recall the memory, I still feel bad. There was a time when we were debating a matter with Las or Britney that I went through my post 30 times (although it didn't really show) before submitting, for fear of construsion. Their oppinions really mattered to me. And to thoroughly present my point, there were times in the past when I felt very glad to be part of the community. Like the whole Whiteboard period, or Butch and Glodmnu making threads a joy to read. Most of the 'oldies' that have endured are people of character and essence, for me. Even when I do not always agree with them, there's a certain deal of respect there. Their oppinions and words -whereas not the focus of the boards for me, the games ware always the point- ment something to me, and I took them seriously - even too seriously.
Over a long period, these forums have become less a community for me, and more like a joke. A bad joke at that. And it doesn't have to do with 'newbies'. Nor does it (completely) have to do with the games you have to make. I remember when Grundislav was a newbie and I read his posts and I thought "this person is bringing something to the community. Without him, the AGS scene would be poorer". Or Timosity, or Yak, they posted, I listened. I find it hard to listen to Yufster, or Jimi, or Femme F or a number of other people. Why? It's not the games, as DGM says. In fact, the games I've made I do not really like anymore. So why?
Because these people have priorities I do not approve of. They 'hang around', and they get on their soapbox and rant and they chat chat chatter chatter bicker argue elephants it's a dangerous place. And that doesn't say to me "I'm prepared to be commited, to be honest and to listen" it says "I'm looking for an audience, I'm looking for chat buddies to fill up my vacant life, I'm looking for people that have something to say, anything to say about what I just said" And that was so sad I gradually stopped caring about them completely. In fact, I hoped that if I ignored them, they would go away. Believe me, we hoped that if we ignored them, they'd go away. But apparently there's enough of them around, so they can talk to each other and feed off their needs. And gradually, the forum filled up with that sort of stuff until it's nigh impossible to ignore. Lots of people left because of this, I suspect. Does any of you new people know who Unilin is? Esseb? Scid? Ghormak? Eric? Jarnokob? Goldmund? Butcher? 2ma2? Andail? In fact, besides my screen name, does any of you know anything about me? I do not speak for these people, but I suspect the reason they've distanced themselves from here was exactly because it's so hard to swallow the fact that their community is now this. Yufster striking out swear words, Jimi hating his dad because he looks at him when he plays guitar, and kikme living forever.
Is this unfair to some of you that may have been categorized along with the rest as 'useless'? Yes. I'm sure undergroundling will in time make honest contributions to the community on many levels. Or others. But the truth is this: tough luck. You've been handed a difficult hand, so make the most of it. People might not be so favourable to newbies as they once were, after months of grating oversaturation, but the commited people will shine through. It is the crux of what I am saying, the fact that so many of you rushed to reply so thoroughly to such a thread, so eager to share your oppinion with others without first considering your motivation to do so. You actually provided a source of amusement for a number of us, that fail to take you seriously exactly because you're not people striving for something, you're just names with oppinions attached to them.
The general general board has been in a constant state of decadance for a while now. I think it's useless and if it was in my ability, I'd shut it down. Most of the people that I do find worth communicating with have already migrated to greener pastures. Instead of further adding to this mess, I choose to leave the 'community' aspect of these forums, while I will still post and participate in activities, or critique art, or discuss technical issues, or more importantly I will still download the games, and I will still try to make some games. I've come to terms with the fact that as far as the forum goes, this is not the place I fondly remember, and it is impossible to go back at said memory, no matter how I might entertain thoughts of how horribly mutilating a number of you classifies as 'a good start'.
So, I hope my final post in gen gen for a good long while has shed some light in a number of things. I honestly prefered the original sudden and loud bang to the spelled out B-A-N-G I've resorted to post, but eh, at least now I won't have to go to jail for my vicious verbal assault on Yufster. Right?
-Helm
-Helm