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although more than 70 percent of Trump supporters didn’t have college degrees, when we looked at the NBC polling data, we noticed something the pundits left out: during the primaries, about 70 percent of all Republicans didn’t have college degrees, close to the national average (71 percent according to the 2013 Census). Far from being a magnet for the less educated, Trump seemed to have about as many people without college degrees in his camp as we would expect any successful Republican candidate to have.

Ok, so let's see if I get this. I'm not a statistician either, but the numbers you are quoting might to correspond to the 50% I'm mentioning? If you are uneducated, you are as likely to vote for Trump as you are for Hillary. But once you become educated, you also become far less likely to vote for Trump, only 36%. Does that make sense?

("once you become educated, you also become far less likely" is technically an unwarranted assumption by the way, correlation doesn't equal causation yada yada, I'm simplifying for dramatic effect ).

EDIT: Ok, on second thought it probably doesn't make sense . Tempted to delete this post, but I'll leave it in case somebody's already reacting. But then I don't know how to reconcile my numbers with yours - what's the relationship between the "57% educated voting for Hillary/36% educated voting for Trump" ratio and the proportion of uneducated Trump voters matching the proportion in the general population? How can both be true?

I don't think it's right to say he was more popular among non-college educated voters, since they were about as likely to vote for him as college-educated people.

If I'm interpreting the numbers correctly, there was about 36% chance you'd vote for Trump if you were college educated and about 50% chance if you weren't (the difference being even bigger if you were white). What am I getting wrong here? The article you're linking seems to argue that the education difference doesn't indicate a wealth/class difference, it doesn't deny that there was an education difference (just skimmed it, might be missing something).

Again, I'd dispute equality of outcome being a far-left idea. It's a conservative caricature of what a far-left idea is. It would be like me saying conservatism means "we love guns and hate poor people."

Well, it would be more like you saying conservatism means "every man for himself, social support is against the natural order", which is a somewhat more fitting caricature . But ok, I suppose "equality of outcome" might be a misrepresentation even when it comes to fringe ideas. I saw it as a theoretical extreme of the spectrum. I agree it's often used to strawman people on the left.

EDIT: I'll leave the rest unanswered, I can agree with you in broad terms, but we would probably disagree on what "acknowledging that class inequalities often divide along racial lines" entails in practice. But this rabbit hole is already deep enough, let's bring it back to the original topic .

But while ~69% of his support in 2016 came from people without a college education, ~70% of the US population doesn't have a college degree. He was no more or less popular among "uneducated" people.

This seems to say otherwise?


(somewhat relieved if that's true, it would be worrying if education had no effect on supporting Trump)

Also to stop just being a WHAM apologist and add my two cents, I agree (at least from what I know, which is not that much to be honest ) that black people are currently disadvantaged as a consequence of extreme discrimination in the past and perhaps some prevailing discrimination in the present. So it's the "equality of opportunity" part that's being disputed, many people see a different starting point as unequal opportunity. Nobody I know of wants equality of outcome, that's a fringe, far-left idea.

Where I might disagree with many lefties are specific policies aiming to fix that. I think racial bias (i.e. "people treat you differently because of your skin color") should only be fought with anti-racist education and cannot be compensated financially or by preferential treatment. Social/financial disadvantages can be remedied with appropriate investments, but programs aiming to do that shouldn't be centered around skin color. If someone believes that black descendants of slaves deserve more support than equally poor and socially disadvantaged white descendants of, say, criminals and alcoholics (because the ancestors of the former were oppressed and abused while the ancestors of the latter were the abusers and any misfortune they got is their own fault), that's where our moral intuitions would diverge.

I am a proponent for equal opportunity in western societies, but not for the enforcement of equal outcome.

So when you wrote about agreeing with BLM on "the end of racial discrimination", what exactly did you have in mind? What racial discrimination is there that should be ended?

If I can give you an example of what I mean - the South African government provides financial support for black-owned businesses. Clearly, in a literal sense, this is racially discriminatory. On the other hand, white people (a small minority) still hold the vast majority of South Africa's land and wealth. So, depending on your interpretation, ending this 'discriminatory' law would reinforce the existing racial inequality.

I'm not saying this is WHAM's view, of course. I'm just explaining why most of the right-wingers and libertarians I can think of claim to be in favour of fairness and equality, and against racial discrimination.

Sure, I know what you mean! I suppose I'll leave it up to WHAM if he wants to clarify. So far I still think some of the opinions he's expressed (annoying rational-adults-vs-snowflake-children posing aside) are totally inconsistent with being a Nazi apologist. Just your regular edgy right-winger/moderate. But maybe I'm being naive.

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I'm sure WHAM believes in equality and fairness - everyone will tell you they do. For some people "ending racial discrimination" means not fighting the economic inequalities that exist between white and black people.

Well, "the end of racial discrimination in the legal system" acknowledges there currently is racial discrimination, which is more than many right-wingers or libertarians would grant you. And those, however I personally disagree with them, still have very little to do with actual Nazis. The fact that some Nazis pose as moderates and hijack their ideas to gain legitimacy is a different issue - it would be relevant only if you don't take what WHAM is saying at face value.

But I see I'm probably missing some context here, you guys are talking about posts dating many years back, I obviously can't speak to that.

No. I don't agree when the person in question has expressly said that the Nazis were no worse than the opposition in WW2, that criminals are sub-human and that only weak-minded people are horrified by Nazi symbolism. When the person in question JUST shared a political comic strip from a cartoonist who endorses holocaust denial. No, obviously not.

But then you must think that WHAM is being dishonest in the statement I quoted. Is that what you're implying? Because I don't see how anyone who sincerely supports "equal opportunity regardless of race, and the end of racial discrimination in the legal system" can also be a Nazi sympathizer. The two seem mutually exclusive to me.

People actually fighting for freedom and equality, such as the more stable parts of the BLM movement, are in my opinion on the more righteous path than someone like Antifa or Qanon. My short view on the BLM movement is that it has a very good underlying cause and idea (equal opportunity regardless of race, and the end of racial discrimination in the legal system among others).

Alright! Now can we please all agree that nobody who sincerely believes the above is anywhere near a Nazi sympathizer?

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Have been trying to catch up and found this bit from WHAM's earlier post important:

They are, however, extremists in sharing the same set of tools and ideals. Both believe they are on a righteous path (some more accurately than others).

WHAM, could you briefly clarify which ones you believe to be more accurate? Why and by what margin? At least for me it would help clear up that Nazi sympathizer accusation, one way or the other.

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When an office party and a missile attack intersect, Oomla the engineer has less than a second to prevent disaster. Which, fortunately, is all the time he needs.

A short traditional point-and-click, my late submission to AdvXJam 2020. Features some fun time freeze mechanics.

Please consider for:

- Best Gameplay
- Best Background Art
- Best Character Art
- Best Animation
- Best Music & Sound
- Best Short Game

So I recently released my first game on itch.io and looking at the analytics, most views (apart from itch itself) are from a Russian website I've never heard of. Which got me thinking - are there non-English adventure-related websites/forums in your countries where posting a link to one's game would be appreciated? And if there are, would you be willing to translate a short post into your language and post it there (or help the author with posting)? Especially big countries like China could be interesting, although if the Vatican has its own adventure gaming website, I'm all for it .

Hope this doesn't come off as sleazy, I'm not looking to spam anyone and don't even really need to push this particular game (it's free anyway), but I thought I could use it to learn a little bit about promoting games, and it could be useful for others too.

Thanks!

Thanks, glad you liked it! About that thing:

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I actually thought of that when I was making the game, but then I told myself I was overthinking it and it's just an adventure game, the character is not expected to have a reason for picking things up . In a way I'm pleasantly surprised that people actually notice these things, both ones I thought were pretty cool but small and ones I would criticize myself, which gives me hope that if I make games I'd like, others will like them too . The way the game is designed now, there is no way to make picking up the ring logical (you have to work towards picking it up before the first time jump, which is too early for the character to know why he's doing it), but maybe I should at least include some nudge-nudge wink-wink hint about him having a "hunch" or something into the "I'm not ready" line. I'll think about it, thanks for the feedback!

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Hi, I'm trying the game now - it looks great! But I encountered a bug, I was trying to use the rope on the plants and it crashed. Error: prepare_script: error -18 (no such function in script) trying to run 'hRock_UseInv' (Room 1).

I don't know if this has already been fixed because I probably have an older version, but I had to report

Thanks, it wasn't fixed but it is now

Just finished this, the puzzles were fun and really liked the ending. I'm not a big fan of the "lovable selfish a*hole" adventure game protagonist (looking at you, Deponia), so it was nice that the game actually acknowledged it and he got his due .

I've updated the game - ironed out lots of minor jank, hopefully fixed one majorly glitchy area and added responsiveness. More things in the environment can now be examined and some wrong item combinations should give meaningful responses. Also the transition from the end to the beginning of the game (those who have finished it will understand ) is now smooth. If you haven't checked it out yet, now's the time!

The idea behind the game is absolutely genius. Put in super-smooth graphics and animation, solid and fun puzzles that are the perfect difficulty and a LOT of loud laughs and you deserve a huge congratulations.

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the game.

That was amazing! Creating this in just three weeks on top, just incredible.

Thank you!

Somehow I missed the connection of who you were when you released the game on Discord, though I did recognize your user icon yesterday. Congratulations on finishing a game for Adventure X. I will make sure to play it when I have time.

Thanks! Only added the icon yesterday, wasn't really using discord before the jam.

my first playthrough took longer of course, this is the longplay I recorded afterwards, as a walkthrough for people stuck on puzzles and for people interested in the story to watch it like a short cartoon.
I like the move plates to get to the inner workings of the elevator puzzle, that was fun to figure out and

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switching the horn with the bubble thing to make him toot the horn into her face is ingenious, the puzzles are great! Same for the cork! best use of that timefreeze machanic!

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I had glitch, when you are on the rocket and click on the hole in the window instead of the floating glass Oomla gets placed weirdly. I left it out for the longplay of course. Or maybe it glitches on the way to the rocket, the rocket part is very glitchy.

Yeah, it's because I move both the player and the camera manually frame by frame there, and it does weird things sometimes. Going to fix it eventually, would like to do a bigger overhaul next weekend! Honestly I felt the time freeze mechanic was a bit wasted on a short jam game, it's an adventure puzzle goldmine .

Holy... are you using 3.5.0 camera effects? yours might be the first released game that does that; at least first one I saw.

Sure I am! .

what a magnificent little gem. I fell in love with it and of course recorded a longplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9E3IiHBybI

Great, thank you! Watching you smoothly waltz through it made me realize it's even more casual than I thought... gotta put in some challenge next time . Also sorry for the few glitches, there's a long list of bugfixes on the table right in front of me . But glad you liked it overall!

Downloaded. Looks great! Please also add it to the AGS Database (in the corner down and right on the games page). 

Yessir, added!

Looks great! The graphic style reminds me of Machinarium.
It's a shame you didn't finish in time for AdvXJam, but I've seen some entries being added days after the deadline, so maybe they could've added yours too?
Anyway, congratulations on release!

You're right, turns out submissions this late are still possible, the game has been added to the jam .

It's really gorgeus even for a 3 weeks deadline!

I hope you'll take your time for a longer game!

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Thank you! Have certainly been taking my time with this one : https://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=58102.msg636620806#msg636620806