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Well, yes, what I made there was a general statement.

I agree with you there, I don't think men should be forced to pay support if they have no contact with the child...

Loooove those sketches!

I'm so, so, so impressed with the stuff people are producing!

I think displaying the wrongness of it would be if your husband is physically pregnant and can have the abortion without your permission. I think that's his right. Of course your situation terrifies me because he's got control over -my- body.

Why doesnt everyone in the UK rise up against such a stupid rule? We have it in Japan too and it pisses me off to no end. Of course, people here take it up the... I mean, they don't fight about things so I can understand it here. In the UK though, you guys should protest!

*gasp* What a disguise!

Because Person #1 on drugs will see B and person #2 on drugs will see C and person #3 on more drugs will see TRIANGLE.

It's a silly argument because we know that drugs aren't a key to seeing another side of the world, they are chemically effecting the brain and body, and you'd probably be amazed at how thoroughly we can analyse how the brain works these days.

Also, his point was that optical illusions prove that our senses aren't infallible - which is exactly true. The fact that arranging shapes in a certain way to work with our blind spot or something will make us -see- (referring to our perception, not what is physically in front of our eyes) what isn't there is indeed proof that our senses are not perfect.

Australia. Beautiful, job opportunities, and it's in the southern hemisphere. You want warm weather, the rest of the world (apart from Africa and S. America) is approaching Winter now.

I agree with you there. The man should know, but the law should have naught to do with it because of all the grey areas.

Afflict, settle. I've already explained that I was purposely being an ass and exaggerating my opinion. That, plus I didn't mean people shoudn't work in teams. I'm not even referring to the adventure gaming community here. Trust me, the flavour in the RPG making communities is completely different. Here, if people do use ripped graphics, they either never finish and stop making games, or they continue to improve and put more effort into them. In that community, 99% of the games are simply a bit of scripting and story added to ripped or custom graphics. It's suffocating that so few people even try to make new things.

ebby: I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer until you learn how to type. Anyone here that knows me knows what my "deal" with that game was. I'm hardly a "goddess" here anyway (that's Yuf!), someone was just... once again... exaggerating in the spirit of playing around.

I am pretty darn hot though.

Sad, sure. For that reason, you're going to agree with the legislation though?

You guys are using one or two situations to base your decision on. I think any legislation should only be implimented when you think of the absolute, dead hardest situation it could impact. Everyone has been saying, "In a perfect world..." and that is perfectly true. You can't use your examples of happy relationships, children you love, or situations where it has worked out in one way or another as reason to impliment legislation for or against a certain action.

I'm hardly a rebel, but at the moment, it's everyone's choice as to what they do (ie. Tells the man involved or not). If you legislate against that, think of the situation where a woman has gotten pregnant from a one night stand or something. Perhaps she doesn't even know who the guy is. So in those circumstances, how can you deny her abortion if she can't prove she told the man? If you allow exceptions, then any woman can lie about that fact and get the abortion. It's just IMPOSSIBLE to police.

That's the practical side of it. Also imagine a woman who discovers she's pregnant after escaping her abusive husband. Now, in a perfect world, she'd call the police, and they'd discover he was indeed abusive, arrest him and she could be exempt. I'm sure we're all aware this often isn't the case. Sometimes the guy is a respected member of the comminuty. Sometimes, he is the police. Sometimes he'll kill you for telling anyone that he was abusive or the father of an illigitimate child. Something... these are cases right off the top of my head and they're NOTHING compared to circumstances that could really happen.

Some of you need to realise the world isn't as black and white as it may be in your personal circumstances.

As far as saying that people shouldn't have sex if they aren't responsible enough to take care of a child, or prepared to have one... well, I've been doing that for almost a decade. I don't want to live in a world where people don't have sex for fun. I certainly don't want to live in a world where EVERYONE has children. Jesus christ, we'd destroy the Earth FAR quicker than we currently are with that kind of population explosion. Even if you dismiss those arguments... it's just never going to happen anyway. Sex is one of our most basic instincts and you're absolutely blind and living a sheltered life if you think people can be educated enough to decide not to do it unless circumstances are right.

You may think abortions are terrible experiences for everyone involved. 100% true. But life isn't all roses and you can't just legislate against these sorts of things to suit your morality. I used to be a bit of an idealist but I've come to learn there are certain things that, although we can minimilise and should always endeavor to, we will never stop. Killing, rape, incest... I swear that we will never see an end to these things, that's just reality, unfortunately. Of course they should be illegal though, and people punished for doing so. Any sane person would agree those things are bad all the way through. Abortion however... I don't expect to change anyone's opinions on this subject, but at least accept that there are lots of arguments FOR it, and how it can be the "lesser of two evils" (though I hate calling it that), and can stop some people from ruining their lives, and the lives of children too. I really don't expect you to change your opinion, but you should at least accept it's not a black and white situation. There CAN be situations which are arguably bettered because of that.

For that reason alone,  I'm very against legislation of it. Instead of making something like that illegal, possibly ruining many lives (and let's face it, causing backyard jobs and suicides), it's much, much more positive to increase councilling, education and support people in bad situations.

Erm, slightly off topic, but that really is my point of view there. If I got pregnant, abortion would be the first thing on my mind and as nasty as it is to think about it, if I weren't allowed to do so... well, I shudder to think of what I might consider.

I agree that in a good relationship, the man should know. But a woman should not EVER be FORCED to tell him. That's a decision she should be allowed to make. It's a man's baby too but that doesn't carry anywhere near the weight of the argument that ultimately, it's her body. I don't think a man can possibly understand the terror that can come from finding out you're pregnant when you truly don't want to be (or when your situation is really bad). I hope I never have to.

EDIT: Okay, as for the argument that it shouldn't be supported even if it's allowed, that's effectively saying that althought you're allowed to do it, we have to right to shame you and make you feel like shit. In 99% of cases, a woman is already gonna feel like shit and the last thing she needs is people shaking their heads at her. It shouldn't be advertised (you know, "10% off! Why didn't I do this sooner?!"), but by god, if something's allowed, it's allowed. It does no good to anyone to add to someone's bad feelings after such a thing.

I really think just encouraging people to do things well rather than scaring them out of doing it badly is the way to go.

InCreator - just have to say, GORGEOUS art!

It IS a large background, of course(about 4 times an aveage room), but believe me, I know every trick in the book to minimise walk behind use and it's still a hard limit to work with.

I can imagine this being a problem to anyone with a rather sophistocated background too, like a jungle scene or something.

Like, not many more... it's just that I seem to hit that 'wall' fairly often and I have to cut a few out and get creative with sharing them. It'd just be nice to have the pressure lifted a bit.

Well, I mean that's my point. The AGS community is amazing! People really try and of course there are a lot of "crappy" games but people still keep getting better. The ratio of games using custom graphics (no matter how "bad") to ripped graphics ... well, there's a big difference. When I go to RPG Maker communities, every single game is a BIG idea (hence, never ever gets finished) using ripped/default graphics... the fact that 99% of people are like that puts me right off.

Lets not all remember Cirque too fondly either. I cringe when I go back and look at that game. I'll admit it was better than a lot of peoples' first games but still.

Damn straight. Everybody strip and do the chicken dance, now!

No. It's a new law I invented.

Seriously, don't take me so...uh, seriously. I exaggerate my opinions. But one of the things that soured me on the RPG making community is that 99% of people just make shitty games with the standard/ripped graphics. That and the fact that RPG Maker is such an annoying program (compared to AGS, anyway) just killed my interest in amateur RPGs.

Cause I say so?

*ahem* Yes, I'm glad there's a healthy discussion about diagonals and verticals going on but uh, any support for my suggestion?