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@MrCol : Nice video

OMFSM :Still surprise to have this on major tv :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDB3rHOHu4E&mode=related&search=

Anyway : have the Flying Spaghetti Monster bless you.

But people thought King Minos was a myth tell they found the Minoan Civilisation on Crete.

Troy was definitively a better example :King Minos is still a myth... we just discovered some ruins, with no writings, and called the civilisation with the name Homer give (Precisely cause we know nothing else.

@Radiowave : Like spaceboy, i'd like you to quote me one of those serious book you'r talking about. Like the exemple of C.Berlitz (earlier on this thread) : it's not because you wrote a 300 pages book on something (even a collection of books) that there is any argument about that.

(make me think of Daniken's elucubrations)

[The Three Musketeers]

 @ Blueskirt : Dallas Quest...
My first adventure game... Contains all the possible flaws of a game : Objects appearing 'after fadein' - Illogical story (if there is a story) Inconsistencies (get killed by a giant rat) - Illogical puzzle -  Roving around with no Idea what to do... Finally inished it 3 years ago with the help of a Walkthrough and a speed-up emulator.

@Mr. Colossal : Below The Root is on my to-play list since some years... waiting to be on the mood but sonds great story. I wish you found those 1000 bucks...


Some other games :

The Three Musketeers (C64)
- Choose your own adventure
- 1 choice over 3 sends you to instant dead. - Dead walks - Relatively near the novel.

Famicom Detective Club Part II  (SNES)
- Menu style interface. Manga grapx. Well done so far.

[Maniac Mansion]

I just finished playing a little gem called Snatcher. So it lead me to an age-old problem: Most console adventure game titles are almost impossible to know. Those exists, but are rarely mentioned by adventure sites who focused mainly on pc.


And surfing console / old computer sites can hardly help, way to many of them and : Some sites don't categorized, some others doing so very badly (Pitfall and Castelvania as 'adventure game'...) the few others mix up the genre with RPG. And to make that task impossible :
- A lot of Console adventure games sound to be a total(EDIT : commercial) flop.
- Console nostalgics were way more into Ninja Gaiden than Maniac Mansion for NES.

So
please let me know any non-pc adventure game that you know!

To break the ice :
Maniac Mansion (NES)*
- No presentation needed : Politically correct version of the PC
- (just wrote here to know that it existed)

Tomb and Treasure (NES)
- Modern time : Rummaging Aztec ruins fulfill with monsters, 1st person perspective.
- Some (fake) RPG elements.

Snatcher (MSX - Sega CD - Saturn... others)
- Cyberpunk : The real ancestor of Westwood's Blade Runner.
- Near interactive fiction. Some action elements.

Project Firestart (C64)
- Space and Cyberpunk Thematic. : Special op in a spaceship fullfill of creatures.
- Action sequences.

Nope - never. Heard a lots of horror story, by history students back from vacations.

I'm just following the RLC phenomenon since the end of the 80's and it was already an hotspot for treasure hunters, Templars junkies and telleruric wave surfers. So, put on industrial-scale DVC organised tour...

Yeah Renne's attracting weirdos of all the planet and The DVC was the last opus who make it a total tourist trap. Anyway there's nothing so interesting to see there : 1 small middle age church a strange small tower and some tombstone that you wont be able to see cuz' the 500 other tourists will hide it from your eyes.

@ Nacho : Berlitz : I had almost forget him, I didn't know he was behind the Roswell hoax too,
not so surprising : Mr Bermuda Triangle... Mr Atlantis and other... But there was speculation about Roswell earlyer, but I don't know what was the object. Maybe just the fact that Roswell was an unregistered facility...

Maybe out of subject, but someone has heard of the rumors that Reagan have asked Gorbachev for a possible USA/USSR union in case of a massive earth invasion? I read it in a 2 square inch 'place holder' article on a mid-90 newspaper.

RickJ

For the record, 'Mylar' get develloped in the mid-50's. But, you'r right, it can, and  are confounded with ETs.


In fact, the real Area 51 hoax, is that ppl believed of ET instead of Military reasearch facility! All the cover-up and so olny came from the fact that 'Area 51' were unofficials for years and, indeed, the Army bull***ited about it for years.

It sonds it works well...

[The 40's]

Are weather balloons made out of foil? 

What's so strange about it? Foil concentrated sun, and echoes radar easier while light and way more resistant than early rubber balloons.

Secondly why do most of  these sightings happen in Mexico?

Dunno - but remember that for secret experiences of national defense purpose frontiers has little effects - not to mention that we're talking of flying objects.

Do you really think that the the army would be interested in a broken weather balloon?

Man... it was the 40's... Weather and weather predictions were fundamentals for strategy. And by the way those balloons not olny gathered datas about weather but also about radars, testing comunications, and magnetic interference for communication : Sometimes all in the same time.
(All of those issues crucial for defense)
The 40's
Radars were relatively new, unefficients and almost unstudied.
No satellites.
Few computers for calculating weather raw datas.
Strategic defense relied on long-distance bombers not on missile yet.
Long distance traveling by plane was still an adventure due to many problems (including weather.)

It's an era were sending a weather station to north pole were managed by Ussr/Usa secret services due to the importances of the data gathered...



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Darth M, you can lock that Topic.
Thanx.

[SpaceBoy :]

SpaceBoy :

LUniqueDan: When I try to determine what I find most important in a game I usually do it from my point of view.

Cool!
So, if I'm following you, your real question is :
"What is most important features in a game?"
(And it's a great question too)

But If so, can you just explain to me wtf your first graph have anything to do with that question? (precisely the 'Toy' and 'test' parts). And how do you applied it to?

So, finally you tell us, that YOU enjoy games who are Fun and challenging.

Cool!
Me too by the way.


Meowster:1 / Thread: 0.

So you need an Alpha /Betatester finally?

oooh this will be a tricky one we can't use graduents unless we draw them ourselves Wink Grin

Here :



So shinny that it blinds you.
So shinny that it creates a lens flare (and it's night).
So shinny that it deforms colors wavelengh (including yellow)
So shinny that I won't tell you what it is. (EDIT : Fear of getting stolen)

Next : Any modern adaptation of any H.C Andersen's tale. (The little mermaid, the girl with matches etc...)

Hilarious: 

Anyway : THAT'S CALLED FAST NEWS: Less than 1 hour after Dualname Release his game... (maybe usual press payola...)  :

*Dan give the AGS-Pulitzer price to Mods*

[Zooty]

Zooty - Okay you win....

Radiowaves Yeah I heard so... but I have difficulties to find it.

[Hudders :]

Hudders :

How do you differentiate games from sport in your schema?

I don't : Those are games. 'Hockey games' , 'Baseball games' etc... That I don't find Fun or challenging. So I just don't compete nor watch others doing so.

Spaceboy last graph are a good attemps to define the differences between games 'sub-directory'.

Spaceboy :

I don't agree about removing the fun from games. If something is to stay in games then it's the entertainment part. What you call opposition is probably the same as challenge in my definition. Goal and rules should be one element, like Anym said one implies the other.

I agree 100% with that principle creating or playing a game. I maintain that's not a pre-requisite to 'something' to get classified under the name 'game'. 'challenge' and 'fun' are 1st person feelings, that can get applied to game you or I like. But chess is a game anyway, even when I played against my 7 yr-old cousin. And baseball too. The question was 'What is a game'.

Now inside 'game' that's a different thing. I like your graph, but, because 'puzzle' are pre-requisite, I do think that categorization will maybe need a 'table' diag.

Cheers.

EDIT:
Meowster
I just won't comment.

Interesting thread Spaceboy! I think the difference between the posts are just a question of optical. Spaceboy graphx is more about feelings research by someone who already plays something.

If I followed the posts, and adding my point, the schemata starts looking like that :


(Don't move this to the Critique Lounge, please) 

I removed the fun factor : I believe you can be in presence of a 'game' without it. Expressions such like 'political game', and 'mind game' will fit better.

I don't know really how to fill all the colors. Maybe it's a failure of that schemata. What/ where can you fill into it? Does it matters if it's unfillable (exemple : pink)?

EDIT : Anym, tnx for the link.

[1: Is Trailer Park Boys a correct representation of Canadian culture?]

1: Is Trailer Park Boys a correct representation of Canadian culture?
No, only the R-version.

2: Will there be a town nearby with a decent convenient store?
The shack is located between Victoria and Saint-John's. While Saint-John's is more near, the grocery stores are more the kind of Victoria. I think they builted a supermarket lately.



3: Any canadian do's and dont's?
Never brutalize a beaver in front of a crowd. Don't feed the mounties, (just don't). When you'll met Donald Sutherland on the street, congratulate him for his last movie. And think of a
food offering for the Terry Fox statue.
And never forgot that Sundays, Tuesdays and Thursdays are French days only. But I heard that judges are less prompt now to give death penality with tourists.

I Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove you Chris.
(Le Woltaire too, btw.)
Anyone finally.

I love the adds. Clearly your style - fit with the game and are well thinking (especially the soldier suit).

Personally I'll split this on 2, (maybe 3) different rooms and put the adds amongs grey walls who goes until the top of the screen. The same with the housing. Even if implementing landscape behind is a must like Spaceboy said, I'm affraid it going to break the minimalistic art.