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[Big Train]

If you like British Humour, I suggest looking up the following shows:

Big Train - This is a sketch showing with Simon Pegg, Mark Heap and all that crowd of comediens. Very funny and different.

Clip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0TZxFQaXkc



The Day Today - This is a mockery of british news broadcasting. Chris Morris is absolutely hilarious...  there's a radio show and a TV show, here are clips of both:

Radio Show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SPWgodul_E
TV Show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6UhXivPyw4&mode=related&search=
(another clip for good measure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp6rdeROfbE&mode=related&search= )


Brass Eye - This is another Chris Morris show. It's a series of satirical documentaries.

Clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7jVnrfoZD8


Spaced – a fun series which appeals to my geeky nature ... simon pegg, nick frost, mark heap, that lot again...

Clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shHh4Ju7kXA

Look Around You – this show is amazing. It's a mockery of those old learning school science programs that used to come on at 3am in the 80's.

Clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBcrTucxiRc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9UXw0fQmno

I like how we run our christian questions by yodaman, it's like running them by a computer AI or something. You know what he'll say will be dumb and uninformed, but you still want to hear it because it's going to be dumb and uninformed.

yes precisely.

Yufster. You're making a fool of yourself. You've been told to stop, so why don't you? I've said countless times that I have my views, and you have yours, so why don't we end this silly argument, as it's going nowhere.

I don't feel like answering any more of your questions. It's apparent you don't fully understand the Bible, and I'm okay with that. Why don't we get back on the topic (This is the third time I've said this)?

Ah, a reply.

You refuse to answer my questions because you know you're wrong. Full stop.

You know it's not right to murder a woman for being raped.

You know it's not right to kill babies and children for no reason.

So you're going to pretend you just want to stop arguing.

Well done.

I'm not making a fool of myself, Steel Drummer. I've arguing my points well, quoting scripture in my defence.

you're making a fool of yourself by claiming that it's okay to force a woman to marry her rapist.

You haven't said countless times that "you have your view, I have mine".

You have shown a lack of knowledge of the Bible and of your own faith, even in doing things such as condemning polygamy in one thread and then (presumably since you don't disagree with god) condoning it in the next. And saying that a woman should be stoned for being a rape victim! Disgusting. A truly good christian would never, ever condone such a thing.

You have made a fool of yourself. Probably even in the eyes of other Christians... if I was a christian I would be embarrassed at your weak and uneducated attempts to defend the bible.

Since you blatently refuse to answer my last few questions, I'll assume you've given up and are hopefully questioning your faith in a sick and perverted god.

Additionally, I haven't been "told" to stop. If you look, you'll see that the only people who have advised me to stop, are advising me because it's pointless arguing with you - it's like arguing with a 14 year old boy. I simply cannot believe that you're the father of a child.

Furthermore, I'm amazed that you're "hanging out" with a forum full of such non-believers. Surely the Bible shows that you should not associate yourself with non-believers? In fact, doesn't god himself say that if there are one or two non-believers in a villager, that village should be burned, the women children and men killed, and the livestock too? Why would you choose to associate yourself with so many non-believers when you YOURSELF know the risks? And how much God hates it?

The fact that you refuse to see that 99% of people in this thread are incredulous at YOUR perverse behaviour, is amazing. That you think 99% of people don't want you to shut up, shows the side of you that allows you to be blinded by organised religion. The side of you that can completely shut out the truth and reality, even when it is so blindingly obvious. The part of you that can tell yourself it is okay to stone a rape victim to death.

You know if your child ever misbehaves or becomes drunk, you are required by god to stone him to death? Deuteronomy 21:18

I'll be holding you to that.

Fair enough, but I'm having fun. I really am. And at this point I'm extracting things from Steel Drummer such as that he believes women SHOULD be stoned if they don't call for help whilst being raped... things which are pretty shocking but, coming from him, pretty funny.

Because a few threads back, Steel Drummer was shocked that people condoned Polygamy, and he would have been shocked if people had suggested murdering a rape victim too.

But now he realises his "good" lord says that he should, he's all in agreement with forcing rape victims to marry their rapists, etc.

I dunno, maybe it will have an effect on him one day. Maybe even now, he's too proud to admit it on a forum... but maybe one day he'll actually open up the bible and read it. And not like it as much as he thought he would.

At first he claimed he'd read the whole Bible through and never seen any of those stories.

Then he said he wasn't going to bother looking for them in the bible because we'd clearly made them up.

Now he admits they ARE in the bible, and he makes excuses for them because he's afraid of going to hell if he doesn't like kiddies being killed and women being murdered and raped.

I get amused by this.

Adamski, I'm a woman and Steel Drummer is suggesting that if I was to be raped against my will, I would deserve to be stoned for it, if I had been too scared to call out for help. I think that, since he's allowed to make statements like that, it's only fair to expect that I would be allowed to challenge his absolutely disgusting beliefs.

If you don't want to read this thread then please don't. But I'm continually insulted by Steel Drummers perverse beliefs, many of which are anti-women, and if he wants to continue attempting to defend his perverse god, then I'll continue to point out the many flaws in his arguments.

He's allowed to make these statements on these forums. I think it's only right that I am allowed to argue with him. I'm arguing perfectly reasonably, I think. It's not like I'm making things up and losing my temper. I'm providing him with facts and with quotes directly from his bible, and he's hilariously failing to defend his religion in any decent way.

I'm enjoying this debate.

If you're referring to the verse I'm thinking you are... it says that the woman should be stoned for not crying out while she was being raped. 

So explain to me, why should a woman be stoned - TO DEATH, I might add -  for not crying out while she was being raped?

Have you ever been raped, Steel Drummer?

Are you aware that commonly, when women are raped, they freeze with panic and are unable to scream or call for help because they're so scared and shocked?

What about when a man threatens to kill a woman if she screams? Does she then get stoned to death because he threatened to kill her if she screamed?

Answer me, Steel Drummer. If your daughter was raped and she did not scream, would you stone her to death?

If not, then you are disobeying god, who specifically says that women who do not cry out for help while being raped, are to be stoned to death.

I want to know if you're actually condoning the murder of a woman for being unable to cry for help while she's being raped. Because I would consider that far, far more perverse than homosexuality.

And you still haven't answered about Polygamy in the bible. It clearly states the you must marry your brother's wife and give her children, should he die childless. This, presumably, includes if you are already married, since there are plenty of examples of Polygamy in the Bible. You've already said that you think Polygamy is disgusting, so can you please explain why God allows it?

It alarms me how self-deprecating Christianity is, considering that God supposedly made everybody in his own image... and yet everybody is supposed to hate themselves. It's no wonder that he's so bi-polar...

According to Scripture, everyone is born into sin. No human is innocent, and on our own merits, we all deserve death.

So you still haven't explained why raped women should be stoned to death?

And explain to me exactly HOW no human is innocent. How is a newborn baby not innocent. In what way?

I understand, Big Brother. What I'm pointing out is that God ordered the brutal killing of many people, and not just the killing of the men but also the brutal murder of their children in front of them, and the raping of their wives.

It doesn't matter how badly they disobeyed God. That is a completely evil act.

The difference between a painting and a human should be quite obvious. That's a terrible example. You ruin a painting and that is all you have done. You rape a woman, kill her children in front of her and then kill her? That's awful. And bear in mind that the women of those days mostly just obeying men... did they deserve this fate?

But, since Steel Drummer justifies it by saying that they were evil, I have given examples where god has ordered the murder of innocent people.

Steel Drummer himself did not believe those stories were in the Bible. He only defended them when he realised that they were. This in itself is so telling of how ill-educated he is on the subject of his own religion.

How would he like his own daughter to be forced to marry her rapist?
How does he justify god ordering innocent babies to be murdered?

[Deuteronomy 13:13 (The Message)]

I know I'm putting a lot of effort into it, but I'm really enjoying it. If I was getting irritated, I wouldn't be bothering. But come on... he supports forcing a rapist to marry his victim!!! That's hilarious!


hmmm.

Any people that God told His armies to put to death were evil civilizations.

What about when God commands that if some people in a village do not believe, they must all be put to death?

For example, your own example of the gay parade and hurricane katrina. How many good christians died that day? Very, very many did.

And here's an example from the Bible:

Deuteronomy 13:13 (The Message)
The Message (MSG)

Copyright © 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson
[The Message at Navpress] [NavPress]
12-17 When word comes in from one of your cities that God, your God, is giving you to live in, reporting that evil men have gotten together with some of the citizens of the city and have broken away, saying, "Let's go and worship other gods" (gods you know nothing about), then you must conduct a careful examination. Ask questions, investigate. If it turns out that the report is true and this abomination did in fact take place in your community, you must execute the citizens of that town. Kill them, setting that city apart for holy destruction: the city and everything in it including its animals. Gather the plunder in the middle of the town square and burn it allâ€"town and plunder together up in smoke, a holy sacrifice to God, your God. Leave it there, ashes and ruins. Don't build on that site again. And don't let any of the plunder devoted to holy destruction stick to your fingers. Get rid of it so that God may turn from anger to compassion, generously making you prosper, just as he promised your ancestors.


What about God commanding the following people be put to death:

1. Women who do not show signs of virginity the first time they have sex (remember, SD... I didn't show signs of virginity the first time *I* had sex...)

2. People who work on the Sabbath

3. An innocent baby

4. Innocent children





Oh and look at this:


   Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.  (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)



I also ask you this, Steel Drummer. Since you are a father. Imagine if you had a daughter, and a man raped her. Now, by your religion you should, by rights, force the rapist to marry your daughter. Would you do this?

Would you force a man who had forced your daughter, raped her and caused her so much pain... would you force her to marry him?

Answer.

Oh, I see you edited your post.

Then I will just add this:

To say that jesus said "You must hate your family" but meant "You must leave behind worldly possessions" is the equivelent of saying,

When jesus said that men must not lie with other men or they will be killed, what he really meant is, "Homosexuality is absolutely great."

Just because it doesn't suit you, doesn't mean you can twist the words of the Bible around to suit yourself. You say that that website takes things out of context: so are you. In fact, when you think about it, you're also twisting jesus' words in a sinful way... to suit yourself.

God says you must hate your family. You don't want to hate your family or believe that Jesus hated his. So you ignore it and pretend that's not what he meant.

Hahahaha.

You evil, evil, sinful boy.

Anyway, was my previous post enough evidence for you that god condones these things? I can find plenty more. Plenty.

[must be put to death]

I never saw any references except saying it was from the Old Testament. Do you know how long the Old Testament is? I'm not going to spend hours looking through it so I can find some stuff you guys made up. 

Lazy. And in Denial.

God says that people shouldn't kill other people, so if homosexuals are supposed to be killed, I'll leave that to God, thank you very much. 

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood.  (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

And you know what? God never mentions lesbians. He only says men; so when he says 'put to death', he's obviously talking about getting STDs from two men having anal sex. I know you may be saying "But the first documented case of AIDs was in the 80s", however it was only discovered then because homosexuality just started to become prevalent then. I imagine if two men had anal sex back in Bible times, they'd likely have gotten some kind of disease too. 

Leviticus 20:13 (The Message)
The Message (MSG)
13 "If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.

"Must be put to death" very clearly implies that they must be executed, but if you're splitting hairs about it, then perhaps you can defend why god says women who aren't virgins should be stoned and all that bullshit.

I'm not afraid to see them, for fear about how 'good' God is. I actually want to see them, because I'm curious to see how much you've taken scripture out of context. Why don't you post some references, as I haven't seen any (and the homosexual reference didn't count; I mean references to rape and polygamy, abortion, etc).

Okay.

Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites    (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
    They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men.  All five of the Midianite kings â€" Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba â€" died in the battle.  They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.  Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder.  They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.  After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp.  But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.  "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded.  "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor.  They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

More Murder Rape and Pillage   (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

     As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

Laws of Rape   (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
Death to the Rape Victim   (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
    If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.


Do you want more, yodaman?
I find it really funny that you've claimed we've obviously made these stories up, because in so saying, you've already admitted how shit you think god is. You've basically admitted that you've read them and don't believe them because it doesn't seem like something you think God would do. Now even when you find them in the Bible, it will be extremely hard for you to defend them, considering you've already admitted you don't believe them.. presumably because they're really horrible stories about god.


Do you want more stories and their exact location within the bible?

Yeah, it's that that bothers me.

I've met plenty of Fundamentalist Christians who have sworn that everything in the old testament is true. So there are people who believe this stuff and still worship the god that they believe did it all.

Crazy.

If Yodaman is going to believe in the OT and the NT, and is going to base his morals on things that are written in those books, then he's going to have to accept what's REALLY in them, not just what glossed over tidbits he's been fed by his parents/church. As long as he admits that he can read all those parables and paragraphs and things, and accept that God did all of those wicked, wicked, horrible sinful things, and accept that if his brother dies he'll shag his brother's wife, etc etc... then fine. If he wants to live his life by such twisted, perverted morals then that's fine, I'll probably never meet him anyway.

But I find it interesting because he's already stated that he thinks things like Polygamy are perverted, and I assume he finds it perverted to order the rape of hundreds of women or the murder of 42 children... so I'll be very interested to see how he reacts to seeing how these perverted things are actually all in the bible, right there.

I'll be interested to see if he refuses to look them up in the bible for fear that he'll see the real god that he worships, or if he changes his mind and thinks it's okay to do those things after all, or if he perhaps takes a step back and thinks about how "good" his god really is.

And perhaps he'll reconsider how perverted Homosexuality really is. I mean, if God of the OT likes rape and polygamy and child murder and things, is god's opinion of homosexuality REALLY relevant?

You know in the Bible it states that if your child speaks back to you, you should stone them? I read that before... I'll try to find the location of it for you, Yodaman.

Furthermore, God says homosexuals should be put to death. If you believe God is good, and god is true, and you will do gods bidding... why don't you kill homosexuals, Yodaman? Why do you let them continue to plague the earth and make other people gay with their GAY DISEASE omg. Bit hypocritical of you, don't you think? Or are you a little doubtful over the morals in what god says...

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."  (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)


I don't want SD to be under the impression his god, as he believes in from the OT and the NT, is a good, kind, forgiving and loving and fair god. If he wants to believe in him as told by those books, then he is basically a devil worshipper. God is a jealous, angry, wrathful, threatening, cruel being, if anything.

yodaman. Read those parts of the bible. Let me know how you feel about them.

SD has believed in what he's been TOLD about god, but he's only been taught very select things about him. If he sits down to read the bible one day like A GOOD CHRISTIAN SHOULD, I'm sure he'll be horrified at what he sees. Perhaps when he sees god ordering babies to be murdered, women to be raped, children to be savaged... when he sees jesus encouraging polygamy... maybe then he'll reconsider how accurate the things god thinks about gay people are. Maybe he'll take a step back and think about what it is that he's REALLY believing in.

I've read the entire Bible, and nowhere have I read it condoning abortion, rape, or anything like that. You are making bold assumptions.

Hahhahaha Vince.

I'd also just like to point out that I'm not making "bold assumptions". I've read the Bible, and I'm pointing out things that are said in it. That's not making a "bold assumption".

As I said before, yodaman... I dare you to read your bible and compare it to the stories that have been posted up so far. Read the stories where God tells people to rape women and to fuck your dead brother's wife. They give the location of each piece of the bible they quote so it shouldn't take long to find them.



Scotch: Have you read everything that's been posted and quoted from the bible? Do you believe in everything that happened in the Old Testament?

You think that it's ok for god to order rapes, mass murders, polygamy, killing children, murdering innocent babies, shunning the innocent children of bastards for 10 generations, forcing women to marry their rapists, or killing women who are raped if they didn't scream loud enough ... You believe this stuff is true and that we should live by those morals?

yodaman does.

Scotch, there are examples that have been given of God actually ordering men to do his evil for him, such as killing all the men and raping their wives. There's another paragraph I linked to where God says that if there is one non-believer in a village/town, then everybody in the town must be killed including women and children, and everything burned, including livestock.

SD, there are two possible reasons as to why you haven't seen these stories in your bible


1. You haven't read your bible, and you're now lying about it. Sin!
2. Your bible has had these stories cut out. You're reading a very much edited version of the bible which is not how god originally wrote it/told it. I wonder if this pleases god!?



If you look at the online bible I linked you to, it has many different versions where you can look up those stories..


The fact that you don't even believe they're in the bible is shocking. You're denying what is in the bible! You're actually sinning horribly! You're denying that God said these things, even though they're in plain view in any true bible (that hasn't been censored). You're actually defying God. Are you scared?

It just goes to show that you really do know nothing about what you believe in at all, and if you had any idea of the contents of that book you swear by, you probably wouldn't believe any more.

I challenge you, SD, to look up each and every one of those disgusting, perverse stories in your bible. Right now. Otherwise you're denying that they're in there, and you're defying God. Which is a terrible sin...



I'm tempted to buy a bible on the way home and take photographs of the parts I'm talking about... only SD would probably say I'd photoshopped it to say those things or whatever...

[the beliefs of Fundamentalist Christians, which are based on a 2000 year old story, are setting human rights back]

While we're at it, everybody check out the Skeptics Annotated Bible, if you haven't already:  http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Though It's a well thought out and well meaning piece, do these people have any husiness doing this? Do creationists make a annotated "Origin of Specis"? or "A brief history of time" or issues of Scientific American?

Yes they do. Of course they do. It also points out that few christians actually READ the bible.

Piece by piece highlighting? Why not, when the things that are being highlighted piece-by-piece are absolutely disgusting and atrocious acts that no good god would condone? Why not highlight it piece-by-piece, if it educates SD a little bit. He clearly has no idea of the contents of the book he so hotly defends.

I'm not sure how yodaman will react to these posts, but if he has an ounce of decency in him, he'll be horrified to see the things he believes in without question include the murder of babies, the rape of women, slavery, etc. These are things that churches gloss over, because nobody wants to think that their god ordered the death of a baby. The catholic school that I went to taught that the old testament wasn't real, it was just a bunch of parables that were meant to be good stories or something like this. Who told them this was the case? Nobody, they decided for themselves that it couldn't be real because it was too unlike the image of god they wanted to believe in.

SD has believed in what he's been TOLD about god, but he's only been taught very select things about him. If he sits down to read the bible one day like A GOOD CHRISTIAN SHOULD, I'm sure he'll be horrified at what he sees. Perhaps when he sees god ordering babies to be murdered, women to be raped, children to be savaged... when he sees jesus encouraging polygamy... maybe then he'll reconsider how accurate the things god thinks about gay people are. Maybe he'll take a step back and think about what it is that he's REALLY believing in.

Another reason we should pick it apart piece-by-piece is this: the beliefs of Fundamentalist Christians, which are based on a 2000 year old story, are setting human rights back. Think of thinks like gay marriage, which is not allowed in many countries and American states for religious reasons. They're not harmless beliefs. They are beliefs which, for no other reason than a story from 2000 years ago, discriminate against members of todays society.

That's a really nice quote, Colossal.

I'm hoping that, at this point, the reason yodaman is not longer responding is because he's exploded.

[Kill Brats]

http://www.biblegateway.com

Amazing stuff!

Check out any of the stories you like, in any version of the bible.


Kill Brats
    From there Elisha went up to Bethel.  While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him.  "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!"  The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord.  Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces.  (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

Killed by a Lion
    Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!"  But the man refused to strike the prophet.  Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me."  And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him.  (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)


Some of these bible stories are hilarious.

I can't believe you believe in this stuff, yodaman.

And like it!

You strange, violent, perverted, bloodthirsty, woman-hating monster.

Or don't you believe in it?

What's more sick, yodaman? A man having sex with another man in a loving relationship, or you and your perverse beliefs of polygamy and rape and murder?

Gosh!


(2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

    Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house.  I will take your wives  while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor.  He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight.  You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

    Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord."  Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die.  But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." 


Summary: God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist.  And then he kills an innocent baby.

Are you sure you swear by everything in both testaments, Yodaman?

Look, there are lots and lots more:

http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

You can look each individual story up in your bible if you like, just to be sure that website isn't lying to you. I must say, there are a few stories in there that I didn't see in my edition of the bible, but I don't have it any more... I must buy another! The above story that I posted, however, was in my edition from 6 years ago, so I can attest to that one.

Now, maybe since your God is so kind apparently, and certainly not a rapist etc etc... maybe you might consider that the people who recorded the bible and wrote it... could have done it incorrectly? Maybe they were wrong, and not really actually writing what God told them to?

I'm interested to hear your thoughts, SD.

Wow, she is a really, really goodlooking baby.

And it's strange because when I saw that picture, I just remembered how you posted up scans of her… it seems like years ago!

congrats

Well have you read the Old Testament, SD?

Let me show you some of the things you believe are fact:
http://mwillett.org/atheism/family.htm

There's a couple of things they've forgotten to mention in that page, such as how if a woman does not bleed the first time she has sex, she can be stoned to death by the people of the village (or perhaps cast out forever, I can't remember exactly... it was 6 or so years since I read it). Now SD, maybe you are not aware, but many women DON'T bleed the first time they have sex, for many reasons indeed. I didn't bleed the first time *I* had sex. What do you think of that?

Imagine how many innocent women were wrongly accused of and punished for pre-marital sex under gods own command!

You might want to read about Polygamy in the bible. Since you believe everything in both the old and new testament, this should prove to you that Polygamy is absolutely OK by God under certain circumstances.

http://www.quransearch.com/ntpoly.htm

Perverse, wouldn't you agree? Or do you disagree with this aspect of the bible?


I really think you should continue this argument as best you can, especially if you are very certain and very sure, and very educated, about your faith. I'm very interested to see your replies, especially as you've already said yourself that

1. You think Polygamy is perverse
2. You believe in the old and new testament
3. God himself said that Polygamy is okay under certain circumstances.



PS. look at this everyone, this is what SD claims he believes should happen to women who have been raped:

In the OT, we also see that a virgin is forced to marry her rapist: "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver.  He must marry the girl, for he has violated her.  He can never divorce her as
long as he lives.


How much of the old and new testament do you actually believe in, SD?