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Oh sorry, I need to clear up some of my earlier statements... When I ment one could punch Arnold in the tummy I ment me personally...

See, I'm 50 feet tall at the moment and when Arnold was in his prime I was still at least 10 feet taller than him even at my age... So that clears that up...

Also, I didn't say WHEN you could punch him in the stomach... If he was in the middel of his 12th rep moving 400 pounds and you just decked him in the stomach... You win...

Plus I was being EXTREMELY general as you can tell/have pointed out! So general in fact they demoted me to Colonel...

What am I taking personally?

What did I pick apart?

What did I rearrange?

You confuse me so much. Deirdra [being inquisitive stranger] and I are 2 different people and we make quite different points most times, I had no idea you were lumping us together when you were writing and I can't possibly see how you confused us, which really lends more to my first belief that you weren't reading what people wrote carefully. If that offends you then I'm sorry, but this is what it appears to me.

"I'm sorry for the confusion, but yours and OS Squinkys arguments seem almost interchangable. My fault."

Completely disagree with you 150%

The only position that I had through this whole thing was stated in pretty much my first posts, what I wrote or what you thought I wrote that led you to believe the series of things you detail in your previous previous post, I don't know...

I also didn't dismiss any of your points, I tried to speak on them with you but you switched subjects on me to something else which was annoying, and now that you shed light on what upsets you about my posts, turns out the majority of things you are upset/hold issue with I never even wrote.

Backing up a bit:

"Game characters only develop a deeper meaning when we attribute it to them."

Game characters develop a deeper meaning when the game designer attributes it to them, not us. Something tells me that the game designers of this game have such a meaning in the story for her and thus I'm concerned that the large comical breasts will undercut it for me. My point from post 1, written for the 3rd time I think.

Eric

p.s.

"Do you always badger people into reasons why they come across as aggressive towards you?"

And I'm glad I did, since it seems the reasons you're aggressive towards me is because of some things someone else wrote. Well the reason you were originally aggressive with me was because I, in a fit of frustration at being ignored, said that I was glad you were done posting. I'm sorry for that, it wasn't very mature.

p.p.s. Please, stop telling me I'm taking things personally. Just because I don't use smileys doesn't mean I'm sitting here all stern faced, typing sternly into the keyboard to sternly defend my stern honour. When I take things personally I have someone else write for me while I dictate to them... I call them my... Sternographer...

Then please, point out where I said the breasts on the main character were vulgar or I didn't want them there because they were breasts. I don't believe I ever wrote that a woman can not have huge breasts. I wrote that from what I can tell of the story it is going for a realistic approach to a fantasy story. But, as I believe I noted before, we don't know for sure, only what the designers have told us. So I said that her breasts would take me out of the story because they are comical and unfitting to the story and the style as I see it. Where is the double standard?

"You and OS Squinky both brought the real world into this discussion. And tried to apply them to the unreal."

I can't find what you mean here. When did I bring the real world into this? And my strength training bit was about how the ideal strong man is a muscular heap when if one only body builds they aren't necessarily strong, it had nothing to do with titties in a nurse outfit.

"So then you bring another real world example into the discussion"

I can't find my first!

I never said she had to look like a real nurse or a real woman. I said April Ryan looked like a real woman [as well as they wanted, she's nor photoreal] but I was speaking on the longest journey, not this game.

"You draw attention to the very thing you wish people would be better off not seeing."

Again I never said that the boobs on that character don't belong in society. If you can find where I did write that I'm all eyes.

I honestly don't know where you're getting any of this from in regards to me, LimpingChris.

edit: and I prefer my real name when people talk to me, while I'm very colossal indeed I don't like people to bring it up because it would obviously make them feel bad.

Fish, get on the PM and sort it out. It's silly if there's left-over animosity in such a usually friendly community like this.

Shut up VulgarFace!

The double funny thing is that there is body building and strength training.

There is a 145 pound female olympic athlete that can lift twice her own weight because she has trained her strength up. She is toned and not muscley.

Body building is building up muscles so they are large, that does not mean someone is strong. So if you punch Arnold Schwarzenegger in the tummy [back in his prime] he could possibly have doubled over and cried!

Fish: I like how you are obviously still upset and yet you refuse to want to clear the air. I'm sorry for any bad feelings my post gave you but you were becoming quite tiring and if you don't like the fact that I said it seemed like you were ignoring points then why not address them? Again, I'm sorry that you're upset. I already suggested a way to make things up between us but you refuse. That's your choice.

Define "make an issue" please.

I mean, she just wrote about it on her blog and the game creators asked for feedback. As Old School Squinky said, no one is demanding the creators do anything they don't want to do [as far as I have read]. It's just people discussing things. Which is why I was so surprised by LimpingFish's comments against me.

If you think her writing about it is making an issue then fine but everything written in this thread was brought up by the game creators themselves.

No, you're just stalking Chicky!

Or he's a REALLY good stalker and he goes to places he knows you'll end up and waits for you...

CREEPY

Then we would have a dialog and clear up any misconceptions or misunderstandings there may be and fix them. But if you think I'm mean and will yell at you over PM or something then so be it.

Who said I was taking things too seriously? You're the one getting bent all out of shape. Points were raised and it appeared that you ignored them and moved on to another one about how the story, because it involves mystical elements, can't be considered a serious story, which lead me to believe that you weren't really reading what people were writing.

Because I disagree with you all of the sudden I'm acting like I know more than you and your opinions aren't valid. Explain the logic please. But in PM, this is not the place.

I'm glad you're done arguing LimpingFish, it didn't seem like you were really reading anything I or other people were saying.

Progz, if your whole post was directed at me then I would like to know where I wrote something inflammatory.

And just to say this again, I'm not opposed to them doing whatever they want. I love them all the same and hope they have a kick ass time making games.

Appropriate in the size of her breasts, the skimpy uniform, what? I mean the vibe I'm getting from this thread is "Overtly sexual women are stupid. And not to be taken seriously. And damage what might otherwise be a good game."

And that vibe seems to be predominately coming from male ags'ers. You can see where I could become confused here.

In case no one else made sense to you:

You have quite an awkward vibe towards this thread. One can make a game where a cartoon character has serious issues, but in my opinion this certain cartoon character seems to contrast poorly with the little bit of story we were given. I don't think anyone here was talking about if they were morally against the character. Stylistically or storywise, yes.

You're confusing the issue.

April Ryan looks like a girl. The main character of this game looks like a surgically altered big breasted porn star [well maybe not porn star, she isn't covered in makeup/semen].

Someone can run around in their underwear and not be sexual, as far as I remember she wasn't masterbating while she did this.

Calsoon ran around in his underwear in 2 games. Showing skin isn't the issue. The issue that some people have is that the character's looks don't seem appropriate to the game subject matter.

But as has been said, all we want is the game creators to have fun and make a game they want to make. I vast majority of people have no problem with that and wish them the best of luck, me included.

I think we all do have our own opinion on the subject.

And we're talking about this particular game, why do I have to speak on nerdy characters or strong male stereotypes?

I take your rant as general and not directed at anyone then, Fish?

I will have Jess PM the winner to let them know.

It seems both the winners of this jam and the animation jam have disappeared...

Yes Captain, that was clarified to me when I first read your thread in the GiP forum but comments like:

"Now, this character is not like this for arbitrary reasons but revealing too much about her would rather spoil the story."

Confused me, I think in order to debate this clearly [here, Squinky's blog, AG forums] you should make it known clearly.

And I love the idea that revealing too much about her would spoil things, since she's revealing a ton to me as it is! Hehe

@MrColossal:
Er, yeah. I think in our attempts to justify things we've contradicted ourselves a few times. Mostly this has been in jest. There is a sort of reason behind her look, but to be perfectly honest the real reason she looks like that is mostly down to my (and Lemmy's) personal preferences. I think the main reason that we got a bit defensive was just the fact that we got singled out, when the videogame industry is filled with stuff far more gratuitous than our picture.

If you make an ags game you're part of the community and what happens in the community doesn't have to [and shouldn't, in my opinion] be equated to the game industry as a whole.

You aren't being singled out mainly because there is no group to single you out from. Are you being singled out from all AGS games? Sure, but that's not relevant. Are you being singled out from all games that feature large breasted main characters with impossibly erect nipples? Sure, but you're the only game on that list so far as I know.

"to be perfectly honest the real reason she looks like that is mostly down to my (and Lemmy's) personal preferences."

So... If that is the final truth then do you see the point people make saying that a main character like that is hard to take seriously in the seemingly serious story you have said is being written? If there is no main plot point for 36G breasts and the reason you want her to look like that is because you want her to look like that [nothing wrong with this] then I personally feel that for me it's going to be hard for me to get into the game or take any of its plot points seriously.

Granted I haven't played the game and yes indeed there are probably super smart, intelligent and wonderful people who look just like her all over this earth that are perfectly capable of having deep emotions and interesting lives but in a game setting that is not the first impression one gets.

But anyway, now that you've got all this interest I'm sure tons of people will play your game and I'm sure I'll give it a shot. Just, for me, get your story straight on why she has tig ol' bitties and don't say people shouldn't complain [or that squinky can't blog about it] because the boobs are justified.

If you're making the game because you want to make it then who cares what other people think? Stop defending the game if it's for your amusement.

That said:

The girl isn't offensive, she just seems pointless. First you say that you drew her like that because:

"Hey, if we have to draw 20 frames of walking * 4 directions, plus pushing, pulling, talking, idleing, opening things etc animations all in whatever spare time we can muster, then it's going to be a girl. Nothing wrong with that. Honest."

Which, sure, is a funny joke. But then you say that there is a reason in the story why her breasts hang from her throat in huge melon shaped orbs.

So it's a story element... This leads me to believe that there is a part of the story where she puts on a nurses outfit that is 3 sizes too small and I really see how that can be a story element in a serious game so I'm inclined to believe that the game is a paradoy or humorous. Unless she is found in a tree and the only clothes they can find ever to clothe her is a nurses outfit 3 sizes too small and then all the other clothes in the world explode.

Ah, I see, I take it from some of your comments she's supposed to be a dream woman in all ways. A dream and an idealized dream woman. If that's your story then that's your story. If you don't want to give away any parts of the story and believe that the art is justified through story then stop defending it and just say "Wait and see!"

Also, I wouldn't say that you've recieved much venom. Squinky [oldschool] wrote she didn't like it in her blog and someone on the AG forums said they didn't want to play it based on the art. He was the most venomous and he was just one person.

Way to ruin all the fun Ashen!

Barbarian: "Actually, all this time I was sort of thinking that the girl in your avatar was your Girlfriend, and I'm thinking, "That lucky son-offa-gun!"."

Sadly she isn't my girlfriend. My girlfriend is the ugliest thing on 2 legs.

How's that for feminist mumbo-jumbo, Kinoko?

Search the forums please, this question has been asked many times.

She isn't from that thing, Squinky.