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Misj, that raises a question from me then, is there not concern over the hebrew word for virgin and the hebrew word for young girl?

Stating that Mary was not a virgin when she had jesus, just young, which isn't so miraculous.

Does that make the difference between Jews and Christians boil down to a mistranslation? Going back to the source, that is.

Sure a belief in god is not something one can debate because you can't tell me I don't believe in tables.

The tough thing is that as soon as one makes a claim of something in the physical world being affected by a non-physical, more often than not it can be tested.

It's not the belief people should be debating, it's the existence. If you say god exists because you believe it to be true and there is no other reason/physical evidence behind it, then there is no where to go with the debate. If you believe in god because a specific event happened.. Now we have something to debate.

If you believe certain claims about a physical object like the bible we have a debate.

Also it doesn't always have to be a debate. I don't see why people can't have a conversation about these things that doesn't end in debate. I know I'm not a saint [hah] when it comes to this stuff but having the age old conversation with a believer of "Why do bad things happen to good people." or even worse "Why do great things happen to terrible people." or "How do you reconcile your belief in a god with the teachings of such and such part of your religion" or "What are the punishments for breaking a commandment and are you ok with that?"or my personal favorite "Why doesn't god heal amputees?". This could go both ways, obviously "How do you define morality without a higher power to set the stage?" "..." I actually can't think of another question a religious person would really need to know from an atheistic person. "What do you do on sunday?*"

And I wouldn't say someone is closed minded if they aren't convinced by a personal experience you had. Unless I misread you.

*sleep late, draw my comic, play games at night, make out!

If you have no intention of posting an explanation of your posts SSH, I don't see why you stick around in this thread. You like to call Nacho out for putting words in your mouth but you only let 6 or 7 trickle out anyway and then seem to enjoy it and egg him on when he goes crazy over them.

Do you believe that a person who does good works and is societally seen as a good human being/humanitarian/philanthropist but is not a christian can get into heaven?

If no, why not?

If you don't want to answer the question just so say and people can't really ask it anymore and expect an answer.

And I was serious about my friend in college, just keep his story in mind when your kids get older, I'd hate for more people to go through the depression he went through because of the concept of hell.

Grundislav and Erin aren't very much in the area of Brooklyn though

I enjoyed the question and the answers! Hooray for all involved! Boo to erin for losing whatever drinking game was being drunk

Are you really going so far as to say that non-believers should be in fear of hellfire?

No, I said that believers don't. I have no idea what hell is like. Some say annihilation, some say separation from god, some say fire and brimstone, some say Milton Keynes. And I also believe that God is a god of mercy, but I also believe that believers don't need to worry about that.

Just curious if you've thought how you'd handle your kid being depressed or saddened if they come home one day afraid for a friend who doesn't share their belief and they are afraid will go to hell or whatever.

Not trying to start something but my roommate and friend in college told me that he gets very depressed when he thinks of all his friends that will not go to heaven and I had nothing to say that could make him feel better. The only thing that would have helped is if I converted to his religion and he believed that I was sincere in my conversion. I personally wonder how one can enjoy a heaven knowing that loved ones aren't there without just plain old getting over it like humans do when someone dies.

Okay... I've been told that saying that Bible literalism is stupid is:

-Verbally punching.
-Insulting.
-Aggressive.

And

-Gives atheistics a bad name.

Now, to those who told that to me.... Why?

Because there's such a thing as picking one's battles. It isn't the fact that you said bible literalism is stupid, no one is trying to persecute you for having an opinion, and if they are, forget about them.

It's the fact that the thread was about a person just trying to find people who were interested in making a game about {subject}.

In this thread here you told someone what the topic of your thread was so you know the concept of going off topic or even derailing, the topic of Dervish's thread was "Hey guys, anyone interested in this?"

If you pick your battles you can see that that particular thread was not the place for what you were doing and was potentially offtopic/derailing.

I understand that you are strong in your convictions and that's cool, but you can't pretend that people getting upset over things you KNOW will make them upset is surprising. If you're looking to have a debate, pick your battles and have respect for the other viewpoint especially if you consider all these people your friends.

The tough thing with symbolism is that so much media has christ figures in it already that if you want a game to come across as specifically christian you'd have to do something very specific. I don't think Narnia instilled christian values in someone who didn't already have them the same way The Matrix didn't.

Also other media are full of lessons that you'd still have to do something that stands out from the pack of sitcoms with lessons and David The Gnome stories.

It's tough to get any idea across without specifically stating it because I feel people have become so used to lessons or morals or themes just being a part of storytelling that if there's a specific lesson or whatever people just gloss over it and accept it as part of the story but don't apply it towards anything, which is ultimately what the creator would want.

Parody=mocking? Not in the sense I was meaning...

EDIT: One question, Space Boy... Why Star Wars can be parodied, and Religion not?

Nacho, drop it. Please. Go start a new thread if there is something you want to get off your chest.

Can't a dude just ask a question on this forum anymore?

To Dervish: I recommend starting the game yourself, even if you don't feel you have certain abilities to do it justice, just start it and make some interest, show off your progress in the GiP forum and if people see that you're putting work into something and are serious, they might be more willing to help you out.

Haha awesome, look at you, in the movies.. Like important people!

Evil, The Yesmen did that too in the 90s I think, though they called it Shop Putting

They took the voice boxes out of Barbie dolls and GI Joe and swapped them so that Barbie would talk about war and GI Joe would talk about shopping.

Unless it's to lure children into their gingerbread house. Then I would stop them. Because, HEY! I had dibs on those kids!

I hadn't seen that anyone posted this but the email went around work and I thought it was quite interesting:

http://www.doublefine.com/news.php/site/just_one_more_grim_thing/

It's interesting reading the descriptions of the characters, especially the Glottis one. Seems there's a puzzle in there that was scrapped about turning a fan on for Glottis... Oh adventure games.

Can someone explain mind maps? I hear a lot about them but have yet to grasp why they are useful

If there were any pictures taken I would post the pictures from Zapatos 2008 when Magintz and Tier visited Jess and I in Albany... But since none were taken you'll all have to imagine the amazing things we did.

Can you update the first post with anything new please? Finding the house link you linked to would be easier!

Indeed Darth, there's a nice interview with a lady who did a study on sleep paralysis and ended up talking to people who said they were abducted from aliens. Turns out everything they said happened during their supposed abduction lined up pretty well with common sleep paralysis.

She also goes into [trying to relate this from memory...] how the commonly held image of aliens changes as the years go on and as the television got more popular. It started as demons and then monsters and then humanoid aliens and then the grey aliens we see a lot of now-a-days but in the UK they started with robots and eventually ended up with the greys as information spread and people started to subconsciously change their perception of sleep paralysis... Sure a little off topic but still FASCINATING HOLY CRAP!

I wish I could find the podcast, it was either Radio Lab or Are We Alone by SETI

I also had heard that a chemical in the brain that paralyzes the body so we don't flail around at night also affects short term memory which is why it's so hard to remember dreams... Pretty fascinating!

Though I should look into that again because it was a while since I last heard that...

A novel isn't a story waiting to be filmed

I didn't realize it until I realized it but when I was younger this is how I thought. When there was something I liked and I heard it was going to be a movie I thought "Awesome! The ultimate compliment/media for experiencing the story!" and even when I was disappointed over and over again I didn't quite realize what was going on.

It's almost hilarious how long it took me to realize this stupid way of thinking I had.

Now when I hear that something I like is going to be remade in a different media, I can separate it from the original and view it as something different.

The Time Travelers Wife is one of my favorite books, they are making a movie out of it, if it sucks the book is still amazing. NO HARM DONE!

Wicked is also one of my favorite books... Went to see the play and it was one of the more boring thing I have seen in years. THE BOOK IS STILL GOOD!

Alan Moore thinking movie adaptations of his comics are silly and pointless is an interesting thing to read. I mostly only hear how excited the author is to have a movie made out of their story [either genuine excitement or marketing inspired excitement].

Anyway, sorry for not talking about Max Payne, it was a game where you shot people and the story was silly, I didn't expect anything from the movie and I confused why people are surprised the movie wasn't amazing. Also, doesn't Agent 47 in Hitman have a sword in most of the hitman games?

Jeez dudes, does Darth not deserve the benefit of the doubt?

Was it a generalization? Sure. Is that reason to jump on him and demand satisfaction? I don't think so.

I prescribe 10ccs of Cinnabon! STAT!