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I believe that God turned into flesh, came, behaved as a man, then noticed it' s divinity, behaving as a superior entity, and gave his life for us after doing miracles.

I believe in him because I saw him, and saw him die.

13 years without Ayrton Senna... I still miss you, my friend.

And don' t you think that these maquiavellic power-hungry people causing wars (who you do tell are hiding behind religion, I don' t really know...) would find another "place" to hide behind and another "cause" to make the idiotics masses to act? I honestly believe they would...

Well Vict0r, believing that Religions are the REAL cause of the "religious" wars, is an naive as believing in God...

Where you serious about it when you said that "Religious people are the cause of wars"?

I was an angry anti-religious person, and thought that anyone believing in God was stupid...

It surprises me that adult and intelligent people believes in that, but I don' t think they are stupìd now... now I tend to think of them as "weak" or "naive". Not a big deal... I have a lot of intelligent friends who smoke, and that is also a show of weakness... I must have zillions of shows of weakness as well! Nobody is perfect...

Still, there is a pitty that some people need a pre-medieval tale to find an spirituality that can be found in sport, culture, art, philosophy or self-knowleadge... And a pitty that their children are blackmailed in this "action/reward" philosophy (Be good, and you' ll go to Heaven...) Believing in "God", for me, is simillar as believing in any other superstitions like Tarot, ghosts, UFOs or magicians... but my opinion about "religious" people have changed a lot.

I think that "Religion" is a tool, and as a tool, it can used propperly or not...

If believing that there is something "real" in the Gospels makes people to have spirituality, be humble, donate to the poor people, etc... so, be it! If that makes someone to kill an abortist doctor, or detonate a bomb-belt in Tel Aviv, well... I don' t think religion has much to see in those cases. There will be allways idiots, and they will allways find a cause to practise their idioticy.

So, unless they don' t try to convince me, or while they don' t use religion in a bad manner, I am ok.

Indeed Tartalo, nobody likes Adventure Games...

We should demantle all this community, close the page, and close the forums.

First step. Leave this forums... We will follow after you, I promise.

You may not be intending to insult or culture-bash, which I certainly appreciate, but I don't think Darth and I (and others) are seeing phantoms either.

Thanks... My deepest thanks. I thought I was going nuts. I really appreciate that.

What is big 5' s counters? Does it have something to see with oranges?

Hey, satsuma is an orange, if I am not wrong... Big (maybe as big as one of those rubber fake base balls), skin "pasted" to the fruit (You might need a knive to peel it, and cut, better than peeling), and very juicy. Well... you all know how an orange is.

Clementina is a mix or bitter orange and a mandarine, so it has middle size (like a closed fist, maybe), it' s skin is more "attached to the fruit" than mandarines (still, you can peel it with yout fingers)

And mandarine is the smaller one, (maybe just as double as a golf ball) it smells really good, if you peel it you' ll have a lovely smell in your hands for hours and it's very easy to peel.

And yeah, Valencian citrics are specially good... We are not good at ma ny things, but this one is top. 

Hehe... 4,250 is not really almost 16,000, Kenneth 

Oh, Helm! I see the bashing. You don' t? Well... I don' t want to impose an opinion, maybe you are right. Maybe I am a bit defensive and paranoid, but well...

I see the general bashing.

We agree to disagree.

But I don' t think I am going to leave the forums anymore, I think. I learnt to differenciate between "Internet" and "people" 

I agree.

I could... I could criticise a lot of internal policies... The russians, the Belarusans, the Chineses, the North Koreans, Dozens of African countries and dozens of left dictadures...

The problems is that these threads would fall into oblivion because criticising the problems of any country "except America" is not popular here. Which is sad...

Sorry Eric, but I honestly believe that the amount of threads refered directly to America, and the degree of bashing on them, is overwhelming if compared to the threads refered to the sum of the rest of the Countries of the world.

How many threads have finished being a bitter fight "America Vs. The rest of the World" lately?

***Dramatization***

As far as I remember, a discussion about silly bright advertisements ended into "Yeah, man... America sucks". One about conspiration theories ended saying that, "yeah... Bush bombed the WTC, Americans are all idiots for having him there"

Then one about an idiot saying that violence is caused by videogames finished into "this american fundamentalists are really nuts, ain' t they?"

Religions threads use to finish into bashing american TV preachers. Don't missunderstand me... I think this TV preachers are quite horrible, but the level of devotion I see in that TV shows are not bigger than the ones seen in the Spanish Easter or in the religious ceremonies in Sicily.

A thread about POTC 2 turns into how lame Holywood movies are, and a discussion about operation systems turn into "Bill Gates is a Nazi". That for not mentioning about the discussions about petrol and Iraq.

***End of dramatization***

I' ve seen here, written by probably the most polite member in all the forums, this:

My opinion about America is similar to, "Hey! I hated the Nazi regime, but the Volkswagen was a great car"

See? He was not saying "Yes, America is great, but has problems" Like, let' s say, Big Brother thinks... Or "America is just as bad as any other culture" as I might think... He is not even thinking "America is worst than other cultures". No.

He is directly comparing America with a criminal regime (The Nazis), and saying that "only punctual aspects" (like the Volkswagen) deserve to be saved. Do you think that is logical?

Please, Eric, can you do the mental effort of imagining the raction after I (Or Darth, or EagerMind, or BigBrother, or RickJ) type something like:

"I hate the black people, but, hey! Hip hop is great!"

Frankly, I imagine that I (or Darth, or Eager, or BB or RickJ) would be thrown (with reason) to the lions.

Why nobody complains when it happens in the other direction?

Why insults are not allowed ***except if they are refered to America***?

Don' t missunderstand me. I am not saying that stupid opinions (like hate to black people, religions or other cultures) should be allowed because bashing America is allowed.

I am saying that bashing America shouldn' t be allowed. At least in the "happy" and "systematic" way it is.

We are carefull when we talk about 197 countries of the World. We simply loss that care when we talk about America. And that is unfair, because changing the personal behaviour in front of a person because its "race, religion, sex or precedure" is discrimination, I think.

This forums are too cool to enter into a spiral of discrimination...  

EDIT:

Nikolas:

So you're simply saying that all is fine in the US

No, Nikolas... If you see the post of 90% of the American members, you won' t read "Everything is fine in the US". What you' ll probably see if you read them carefully is that they say "Come on, guys! Not everything is ok, but at least not everything is shit, ok?"

Eeeer... I added a big edit to my previous post, you can take a look if you want, there are some points that are IMO importants.

I don' t really see you point.

So, if there is a person saying "I see a problem in my society... I don' t like that problem, and I wish that problem to be solved... But I don' t want anybody to judge my society, or insult it"  Are we going to CONFER this person the right of not insulting his society/country/culture?

Who the hell we are to judge?

Look... If a persian comes to me, in a middle of an argument, and tells me: "Hey... you are being an arse! Ahnamineyad is indeed an idiot, I agree, but I don' t allow you to criticise my country by just a single aspect" I would probably shut up and apology.

Why if an american comes to you and say something similar with Bush/Guns/Fast food/etc... you (or the average AGSer) just goes and goes on bashing?

I don' t really can understand what put you (or the average agser) in a superior pedestal of morality in front of any person whose only known sin is to be borned inside some bourdary lines...

SSH: I am not going to discuss this, because in this I agree. If you are going to focus in my bad example, open a thread about Palestine, but it would be a waste of time, since that is not my point. You (or the average AGSer) tend to believe that you are better than any american, no matter if he is an genious or an idiot. At least that is my feeling.

Maybe you do this in an unconscient way, but I think that if we compare some reactions towards simillar issues, you'll see that, whereas we are carefull if America is not related, there is letter of Marque to insult if America is. Happy hour for being as careless as possible!

I don' t really like that. I think that if I were american I would feel that very unpleasant. But well, I consider that this is a problem that you (The average AGSer) must sollute alone, since it is you who like to align with the "politically correct" side.

I am not annoyed, I am just a bit decived... I don't want to start a big argument.

So, don' t start with the heavy artillery barrage, ok? If you want to try to sollute this issue, which makes me (and I think that to many others) feel unpleasant here, thanks. If not, no problem, I can live with it.

Becky... and a society where 2/3 of the minors of 10 years want to put a bomb belt and explode theirselfs in an Isrealian bus... Do we insult them?

Be consequent.

I agree... specially if we don' t use this rule of three with similar examples:

Examples:
a)An idiot puts a bomb in the name of Allah.
b)An idiot shoots his gun in an american college.

Typical "average AGSer" reaction:

1)But the bombing has been a reaction to sociologycal situation!
(And can' t the shooting, or the easy access to the average american be explained by historycal or sociologycal situations?)
2)The bombing is not related with real Muslims! The guy was nuts, he was not representative of the muslim religion/culture, etc...
(And the shooter is representative of the "normal" american person?)
3)I am really sorry for the society suffering this bombings/terrorist acts... they don't deserve this!
(I can't help but feeling that America deserved it...)

See the differences? LOOK, I am not saying that "the shootings in the USA are ok". Read my posts... I am saying "America is pissing it of in this specific issue..."

What really annoys me is that when you (Typical AGSer) must criticise another situations, you allways find an "explanation" or an "excuse".

If you criticise some situations, do it allways, otherwise you' ll be hypocrital.

I am not saying that everyone doing that is doing it on purpose, or consciently, I don't want to insult anyone with this, but I' d like everyone "excusing" many other situations, to examine their conscience and ask theirselfs if they are being consequent.

And again, allow me to remind you my posture towards this: "American' s society really has a problem with a "too relaxed conditions" to have access to guns".

Adam...

I am quite sure that Darth refers to the feeling that "any crit to any american society aspect quickly becomes into random America bashing".

Maybe he told "some of the comments refered to guns in America", but this lapsus is easy to understand, since, unfortunatelly, with reason or not, every topic with the word "America" on it, has suffered from this, in the, let' s say, last 3 or 4 years.

For example "(A)America has a problem because in their Constitution allows everybody to have a gun, no matter of he is nuts or sane... (b) that proves that the americans are stupid, and deserve everything bad happening to them, because they are an imprialist capitalist entity, blah, blah, blah..."

Whereas (a) is an opinion that can be discussed and commented, (b) is insulting and unnecessary.

See my point? I am not saying that you added the "b" sentence to your paragraphs, but some people like to do that. And frankly, whereas we are quite respectfull and carefull with many cultures, we have the costume to hapilly jump into that when "America" enters in the discussion. I don' t think that this is a positive aspect of these forums, that, aside from that, are the most polite and respectfull I' ve ever seen.

And now, back to topic... I just want to remember everybody that I agree with the people whose opinion is for limiting the access to guns in America...

Maybe I am severelly pissing it off, and this laws REALLY exist, more or less in the same way I am going to type them, (sometimes the problem of the laws is not making new ones, but make the existant to be accomplished) but my ideas are...

a)Extense psicological exam to get a gun.
b)Implant of chips which make the gun only usable by their owner (This tech exist)
c)Restric the areas where guns can be worn. (That means, severe penalties to those having guns out of their homes, shooting ranges, etc...)
d)Heavy penalties for the owners of guns if this weapons are found owned by different people than the owner... Or if they don' t notify a stealing or something. That would also force owners to have their guns in very save places (such as safe boxes, at their bedroom, etc...)

Hope you see my point now

Adam, I don't think Jeremy has been so extremelly unpolite to be told "You really deserve to be insulted"...

I wonder, what caused this. Maybe the actual victims had ruined the poor guys life before?

Does that matter?

On the other hand... United States is a very populated Contry... If there is one extremelly nut person per each million, how many extremelly nut person are we going to have? 300?

Which is the ratio of people having weapons at home? 5? 10? I am not aware of that cypher, but if we consider 5 or 10%, we will have like 50 insane people with a gun AT HOME. I am not even telling that this unstable people must do the effort to get the weapons. They will have themm AVAILABLE AT HOME... that's  an extremelly bad cocktail.

Darth Mandarb told me that you can't even have a "healthy" fight at the cinema because someone is spoiling the film to you, that many MANY gang thugs are armed. As much as I usually deffend some of the non-politically-correct issues of the American culture, this is completelly silly...

And, even being this "Coloumbines" and "Virginias" extremelly horrible, we must not forget that this is just the point of the iceberg... that the real horrible cypher is that if you bring a gun to your home, the possibility of you, or your relatives, to be harmed is 3/4 in front of the 1/4 that the "criminals" have. Hundreds of "civilians" die every year by accident with home guns, much more that the ones killed in the "rare" events of shootings at colleges.

Sorry, I can' t add anything new to this discussion, I just wanted to vent.