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You must specify if when you said "you smell", you meant "you smell BAD" or "you smell GOOD". Otherwise I won' t be able to take part into this discussion.

Well, I also mentioned Simpsons, South Park, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network and Warner Brothers... Is that enough to keep this ship sailing steady?

Good for me... ^_^

Yes, we agree only by coincidence, but your example is not too good... And Prog is smart and he will use it. 

So, being as I am a person in the same ship you are captaining, I say... Elaborate! There are a lot of examples of why cartoon series made in the 90ies are (overally) funnier  than the mad in the 80ies.

I would try to help you, but it should be like trying to help acting Robert DeNiro... you can do zillion times better.

So, good luck!

First... I am not discussing the main statement. I basically agree that the 90ies are better than the 80ies for cartoons made for adults (mmm... to be honest, there were cartoons for adults in the 80ies?  I am sure that a person who has high TV culture like you will enlight me about this issue, but I can' t really recall one...) 

My complain was about the example you have chosen. for me Duckman is 20 times funnier, same for Ren and Stimpy, and Spongebob has some gags that really made me laugh. (Sum to that that SpongeBob is basically suitable for all ages, and you' ll have a cartoon I' d recommend to my future little son).

As you see I am mentioning cartoons made int he 90ies. If you used them as an example I shouldn' t have posted.

But using for that a show that I hate (which doen' t mean I have any bad feeling to those who like it, of course  ) made me post about it. I agree with you, but just by a coincidence I don' t agree with the argument you used.

So, I don' t basically know why I am posting... I was bored. 

And, to answer your quesion, for ME, any cartoon in the 80ies was funnier than Family Guy, so, I am going to chose one and say "*the real*  Ghostbusters" (which might seem crap to someone else, I agree)

These parent-child relations are never very realistic anyway. Sean Connery played Indy's father, and he's only some ten years older than Harrison Ford.

And now they seem to have the same age... Poor Harrison... That Calista is evil... 

As far as Family Guy being funny, yeah, if you are interested in low-brow humor then it is funny.

Great, I'm glad you agree. Still waiting on a cartoon from the 80s that you think is as funny, if not more funny.

Which argument is that Daniel? That deppends on the person. I gave Family Guy a chance. I saw 5 complete episodes (Critics were excelent, and many people devoted them...) and I just not only didn't lauged, but also thought it was annoying and disgusting.

Allow me to be the devil' s advocate...

I have been here for... what? 4 years? And I haven' t released a game because I am ultra-prefectionist...

I can say that in this time I would consider as "deserved to be in my game" just 4 or 5 backgrounds I' ve made (of dozens) If I can' t get what I have in my head, I get annoyed and abandon the project.

So... whereas I basically agree with M0d' s statement (put more effort, please) I would encourage people to finish their first game, asap, without entering in a spiral of perfectionism.

Plan your backgrounds... Be sure which are going to be most important, and make a sensible planning to make them in time (One per week if they are important, 2 per week if they are not, is a good ratio, IMO)

I would be proud as well, but I think that the colours are a bit to contrasted... In my mind Helm' s World is not that bright... Have in mind his sprites.

Maybe there' s no need to have in mind the feelings of the "inker" when coloring, but that might help...

Ditto, and happy birthday to Barcik, as well..

I won' t miss this one, I really liked the first 2. And apparently, Depp said he could go on doing this till the 6th movie, which is not an official confirmation, but they might shot more films, that' s for sure.

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Song: Coma girl, Joes Strummer and the Mercaleros http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qs8lQuEGJ4
Comments: An IMO good funny song, and the first song I heard of a group that I like a lot. I have periods, and during a time I had this "TEX-MEX" period, when I started to hear songs like "Oye" (from "The Mexican" soundtrack) or "Malagueña salerosa", in a cover by "Chingón" in the Kill Bill soudtrack.
How I discovered it: Looking for "Mondo Bongo" by the same group. I song I liked since I heard it in "Mr. and Mrs. Smith"
Fun fact: Not really funny, but Lorena and me used to song "Bongo Bongo" in spite of "Mondo Bongo" when we hear this record...  :

Read my post again. I placed the anecdote in the day where the Statue was destroyed. Most people thought the war was ended. If you didn' t, I admire your clarividency, but I don' t have that super powers.

I see that your idea of wars is that they are like computer games, which end after a certain symbolic act, like the capturing of a flag or destroying of a statue, and then everyone is happy and scores are awarded.Ã, 
It doesn't take super powers to understand that America's affairs in Iraq would have long-lasting consequences.

Who is assuming things now? You seem to be very annoyed when someone says that you are a naive hippy pacifist. But you are doing the same with me assuming that I am a bloody war lover. Cool.

Don' t judge me, please. Don' t call me provokative idiot again. Please... Be a real pacifist for one time.

Who do you think you are, peaceboy? What have you made for "peace"? Post something in the internet? Maybe a sticker in your car? Do you really go to the bed everyday with a smile in your face, thinking "how closer we are to utopia today because of my existence"? Ultra cool.

And then, when a real opportunity for having a "peacefull" attitude comes, you call a person who consider considered you a friend, you call him "provokative idiot". How cool.

A perfect example of what "pacifism" is. Hipocrisy and a constant attack to anything smelling different to the "pacifist" ideology.

Nah... Attacking any of the dozen wars started by communist guerrilla all over the world is not cool. Attacking a conflic started by Islamists is not ok. No NUKES! is cool, but if Iran made them, then they are. Spread the love all over the world! Well... except to America. What if I annoy some of the americans friends I made in mittens? Nah... They won' t feel identifies with what I say against America... They were cool. And real "americans" are not cool. They all know the Americans do not have heart.

Friendship is the most important think in the Universe! Well, expect of that little Spanish who thought that deputing a communist leader in Middle Orient could have been good... We can fry that fascist entity till annoying him enough to leave AGS and leave me the path free for more manifestos!

Well, you know? Congrats. You made it! Bye bye!

Read my post again. I placed the anecdote in the day where the Statue was destroyed. Most people thought the war was ended. If you didn' t, I admire your clarividency, but I don' t have that super powers.

Still, whereas I agree that I have aversion against some "pacifists", some people must consider recognising that they have a simillar degree of aversion towards a country.

And sorry, I won' t be provokative and again.

Ciao.

Maybe not directly, but in this forums I have the feeling that I am "morally inferior" because I don't hate America more time than any non-masoquist soul can support.

And I don' t own a masoquist soul.

But Helm, that, preciselly, is what a high amount of people does with me (assuming that I am an "imperialist kid killer") when I talk of Iraq.

So, I guess we have a draw here.

Dear SSH, the french resistence was born in 1946.

Anyway, if you mean that the US army deserves a revolt as much as the Nazi army did... Well... it' s up to you. Do you really compare the USA with Hitler' s Germany? I know it' s a very popular current in Europe, but I don' t really know your opinion.

I would really liked that the situation got stabilised and that people had peace.

Apparently, some of the auto-named "pacifists" preffer a burning Iraq ensuring them victorious debate moments in the internet and coffee chats. Curious way of pacifism. That reminds me an anecdote that happend the day the war in Iraq ended (The day of the falling Saddam statue). I (the "fascist war-lover")was extremelly happy and I said in my college, loud: "Finally, it has ended". And a "pacifist" replied "No, it hasn' t... There is still some time where the Iraqis will kill those american bastards"

Are you one of those "pacifists"?

Because whereas I know that there are some "muslimophobic fascists" hidden in the amount of people who deffended the war in Iraq as a good choice, I also know that there are some die hard anti americans in your side. It should be great to put the cards on the table, so we can save time.

And really... How can bombing in markets, commisaries, and mosques be a revolt against foreign invaders?

I mean... I had the (mistaken) idea that invassion=deputing Saddam=peace=less death people. From the very start in my posts the idea that some deaths can "save lives". You, as far as I know, allways deffended the idea that "peace is the option, diplomacy is the good choice, flowers in the guns, blah, blah, blah..."

Now you move to "Iraq insurgency" is equal to "French resistance"? Now you mention the resistance against Franco in Spain... Are you moving the line? Are you trying to say that "some violence is good"?

And DG: I can' t really discuss with you, because we are discussing different things.You are saying "pears are green!" and I am saying "appples are red!!!". No matter how many we shout. No one is going to be right. Ã, 

What I am really talking about is about the bombings in markets, police stations, mosques and civilian neigbourhoods. You are talking about resistance agains an invading country (and I agree, that a certain degree of annoyance is "normal") and the other is to volutarilly start a civil war when you have the first opportunity in decades to have peace.

I think you can agree with me that a civil war between sunnis and chiis is childish. No matter if you say no, and you win some internet debates because that war has been provoqued by the "Yankees". Inside you, I am sure you agree with me. Ã, 

What is childish is the reply to the act. There hasn' t been any violent act in reply to the ETA strikes in the Airport terminal, or the "Al-Qaeda" () attack on 11-m in Madrid. No, as far as I know, 500 madrileños hasn' t put a bomb belt into his chest, went into Casablanca, and start killing Morroccoans Militars.

On the other hand:
You make this rule of 3:
"51% of the americans voted Bush, so, they are arrogant"

I said: "47% of the iraquians support killing american soldiers, so, they are childish"

Curious... Why yor rule of three works and mine not? I just have said that 500 people killing theirselfs in front of an unique hope of freedom and democracy is childish, mainly because we haven' t seen these attitudes before, when some dictadures felt in some other places (Did Fascists start suicide bombings after the coup d' etat in Spain 1981 failed? Did communist nostalgics start suicide bombings in Russia after the fall of the Communism? And in Serbia? and In Rumania? What about the reaction of the Chinese students after the repression in Tian Anmen? Did they start to bomb China as a "response to the agression"?

I don' t really understand the over-reaction. I don' t really understand why your statement can be allowed and accepted without any complain in this forums (specially from the americans) I really feel sorry for them, they are so unpopular in the World (Blame it to their president) that they have been ideologically anesthetizeds to reply in front of such statements...

Well... I am not anesthetized. Sorry.

Let me tell you something. Iraqians don' t support those "insurgents" to kill civilians... Because that would imply insurgents killing them. That means that Iraquians don' t want to be killed, not that they "don't support violence". The reply to the iraqians to an opportunity of peace has been extremelly idiot. I really hoped (After seeing how they destroyed Saddams statues) that they would going to start a path to peace, as many coutries did, but appartently, they just want to go on in their path to self-destruction.

I really hoped that they could life in peace, but now I really do agree with you, and I want the americans to leave the country. If they want to kill theirselfs, they have my bless. As Helm said once, "let anyone clean their own shit". For me, this countries really deserve their shit.

Excuse me for the angry reply... But your "America is bad" because they voted Bush, and "Iraq is ok" even in 47% of them want terrorist acts, really annoyed me.

Now, count how many americans decided to invade Iraq, and divide it by the population of the USA.

What percentage of the vote did Bush get in 2004?

So... we move the line, and accept the people "who agrees with..." in the same level of criminality as the responsible?

Ok... What percentage of Iraqians support insurgency killing people?

Seeing how a significative amount of people in Iraq has devoted their lives to put bombs in markets, I would say that, indeed, there is a high percentage of iraquians with a (cruel) childish attitude.

As far as I can tell, there have been about 500 suicide bombers in Iraq since the invasion. Iraq's population is about 28 million. That is 0.002%, not "a high percentage", nor a "significant amout". The highest percentage I have seen is: "According to a recent poll, 47% of the Iraqi population approve of the attacks on Coalition forces, but not of attacks on Iraqi security forces, or civilians"

Now, count how many americans decided to invade Iraq, and divide it by the population of the USA.

Seeing how a significative amount of people in Iraq has devoted their lives to put bombs in markets, I would say that, indeed, there is a high percentage of iraquians with a (cruel) childish attitude.