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Nikolas, you're creepy.

I, for one, am appalled. I was genuinely hoping to play my AGS games on my PS3. This JOKE of a joke was an outrage to me, CJ!!

Also:

How did I spoil it? Find one post where I denounce it as a joke (besides the one I quoted).

I deleted about 6 of them, Steel Drummer.

As if I didn't already know that. :

Maybe you could explain a little more. Do you want Eric to produce the six posts he deleted of you ruining the gag for everybody? Why would you ask "How did I spoil it" if you knew exactly how you did spoil it. LOGIC ERROR PLEASE TRY AGAIN.

Also also, nobody hates you. Get over yourself.

Oh man, this sounds pretty cool. I can't wait to be able to see AGS games in high def!

You're mistaken in thinking that Medical Waste was the target here. He's not the only person that did what I'm complaining about and this isn't the only thread that it's happening in. He just happened to be the person who defended his post when I felt like discussing this problem. For that I apologize to him. It's nothing personal, I swear!

As for my post progression, I don't feel the need to defend myself. My whole point is not to prevent polemics, that would be impossible to expect from the internet. It's to prevent unexplained one line polemics. If you're going to be a jerk, at least have some explanation behind it. If I had come in here and called everyone dicks without explaining myself, then yes, I would be a hypocrite. But I said why I felt that way. And I still stand by that.

[feck off]

LOL, Chicky dude - chill out There is still good discussion becoming of it. Can't say I've ever seen Pesty so worked up though! It's become something more than a discussion on Korn and once again it's become a discussion of how people on these boards should treat others. And threads like that always get locked before someone gets to lay some rules down on others.

So as it's not locked yet, I'll butt in with some comments. Firstly, about the annoying one liners. When I first saw this post I thought "Korn", okay - well, I'm not really a fan so I won't even bother reading the thread. Then a day later I thought "Unplugged eh? That could be interesting." So I checked it out. And by that point people had already started to mildly cuss Korn. That is pathetic. That is a prime example of some of the people on this forum thinking the rest of us actually give a shit about their completely different opinion. It's the Nefarious (sp) syndrome kicking in, something said that simply should never have been said at all. There are things in this forum that crop up all the time that I disagree too, simply, I just ignore the post. Why can't the rest? ADHD? :

I accept that I'm different to a lot of people here, that I'm more interested in the game making side than the chat-yer-bollocks off side the gen gen forum allows. Eric is right though, about thinking before you post. There is a sense of community we're trying to achieve. And a community is generally a bunch of people who are happy together and share similar views. Not that we have to, but the LEAST we have to do is RESPECT what others think. Dropping in thinking we can be funny with one-liners isn't a great idea. Especially if you've only ever made 30 posts on the forum, Medical Waste.

And as Medical Waste said, "this is the internet, get used to it". Well, you're right - but you're also very wrong. Just because you might be able to contest a friends' view about a band or whatever, would you go up to a bunch of people you don't know and tell them whatever they're talking about is rubbish, or something to that effect? No, you wouldn't. So what gives you the right to do that here? This is a community, not a forum. You can't just blindly tackle peoples views and think they'll be happy with you for it. Therefore there is a certain level of etiquete required from all members.

One thing I don't quite understand is people's constant battle of music and bands. A lot of people take it so seriously it's a real let down. They make out that things like religion shouldn't be allowed to rule peoples lives yet somehow they replace religion with music. Very very sad. You wouldn't rip into someones religion without a very good reason, so why do it with music?

I don't particularly agree with DG's way of going about it either - but that's purely because I expect a bit more from him than just cropping up when he needs to vent some rage about something. But, at least he made a post of it and didn't one liner us all to hell.

So, if you don't have anything constructive to add to this post, just don't bother. If you don't like Korn but gave them a chance, that's great. If however you dislike Korn and you simply want the rest of us to know how much you despise them, feck off!

And please try and consider this with other threads too. I don't think one liners particularly bother people here, only when they are unthoughtful to who the thread is actually aimed at.

If you think I'm worked up now, wait until this sort of thing happens with a band I actually like!

No, seriously, though, you've hit the nail on the head with why I even bothered posting in the first place. Even though I don't frequent the forums as much as I used to, it makes me sad to see people lose consideration for each other. I don't want this place to drift further and further away from being an actual community and turn into every other jerk forum on the internet. We're better than that!

I wasn't even trying to be rude. I was stating an opinion, and then was called a close-minded dick shortly after. Yeah my post was short, I wasn't aware that my own opinion, which was a direct response from a sentence in the original post must require all my reasoning behind or else I'm open for insults. Not that I care really, that doesn't bother me, but the hypocrisy does.

"I don't consider Korn to be musical geniuses"

"Medical Waste is a dick without an open mind!"

Who was being rude?

And then Chicky explained himself, if you'll recall.

My comment was more aimed at pslocum than you MW. With his pointless one word reply it reminds me of a lot of the shit that my band and the bands that i promote get from the few mindless people who call them selves musicians but in reality will get no where without an open mind.

Maybe 'dick' was a little ott

Because I said I don't thinkt they're musical geniuses (a valid opinion which most sane people over the age of 15 would agree with) I am somehow not discussing the band?

I haven't said anything remotely bad here in this thread. It's been you Korn fan's on the defense. Grow a pair. People are going to disagree with you. Get used to it.

I'm not a Korn fan, as I've said twice. But that doesn't give me the urge to be a jerk and post "Korn? PAH! Korn sucks!!" just because someone wants to discuss Korn. There's absolutely no need for it. Let the people who want to discuss Korn discuss Korn and keep your rude one liners to yourself.

I will repeat, I did not say "Korn sucks" or ANYTHING like that at all. The first poster said they were musical geniuses and I disagreed. I AM discussing the band. Welcome to the internet.

Look, I refuse to believe that you were trying to add to the conversation. Just because you didn't say "Korn sucks", you DID say something just as useless. If you had said "I wouldn't say musical geniuses, but" and then gone from there, then I would have nothing to complain about. But two sentences of a derogatory nature with no explanation or reasoning behind them do not a discussion make. You can defend it up and down to me all you'd like, if you must, but I highly doubt you'll convince me of otherwise no matter how hard you try. Sorry, pal.

Because I said I don't thinkt they're musical geniuses (a valid opinion which most sane people over the age of 15 would agree with) I am somehow not discussing the band?

I haven't said anything remotely bad here in this thread. It's been you Korn fan's on the defense. Grow a pair. People are going to disagree with you. Get used to it.

I'm not a Korn fan, as I've said twice. But that doesn't give me the urge to be a jerk and post "Korn? PAH! Korn sucks!!" just because someone wants to discuss Korn. There's absolutely no need for it. Let the people who want to discuss Korn discuss Korn and keep your rude one liners to yourself.

Like I said before, I don't like Korn. This isn't me defending Korn. All I'm saying is that I ALWAYS see people eager to hop into a thread about something somebody likes and getting all over their case about it, and I just don't understand the point. It's one thing entirely to have an actual discussion about Korn, it's another entirely to come into a thread and respond with things like

Oh dear.

Musical geniuses? I don't think so.

I'm not saying they're terrible

well you should

How is that discussing anything? All you people are doing is being dicks because you don't like Korn.

Eww Korn...

And here's the first good grounds on saying that:

I don't like their music! Now try and tell me I'm wrong with my opinion. Tell me I like them! You can't. because I know better what I like. Because it's my opinion, not the common one. Ok, so I don't see what people like about it, but so what.

I don't give a rat's ass if you don't like them. I don't like them, either. But people should at least have the decency to respect that some people DO and want to discuss them without having people come in here and constantly go "Eww, Korn". Nobody's forcing you to change your opinion. If you don't like them, don't reply to the thread. Is that SO hard?

Jesus christ you're all a bunch of dicks. Can't anybody post about something they like without people coming in JUST to be contrary?

Again, I don't know which vaccines are mandatory and which ones aren't.

However, one tetanus shot is only good for so long.Ã,  After you get poked and scratched enough, you need another one.Ã,  You're totally free to choose not to get that shot, and go ahead and take your chances with tetanus.

I guess the reason I'm more comfortable with giving kids mandatory shots for measles, small pox, meninigitis and so fourth is because many of those kinds of diseases are highly contaigious, transmissible through any kind of contact, not just sexual.

Again, it is my understanding that these most harmful kinds of HPVs are SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED, and therefore are only a high risk if you're sexually active with many partners.Ã,  That's what I'm basing my opinion off of here.

I'm sorry, I'm done with this debate then. I can't keep going around and around in circles with you about this. How many more times do I have to say "HPV IS NOT JUST AN STD. IT IS ALSO DANGEROUS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SEXUALLY ACTIVE." before you actually listen to me? If I were to be diagnosed with cervical cancer tomorrow from HPV, what would your argument be then?

I'll end this with saying that I think your reasoning is weak. It's okay when it's other diseases, but if it's something that can be related to sex, OH NO MANDATORY VACCINATIONS ARE WRONG?

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I'm assuming that the vaccine is effective and that the decision was not influenced by personal financial gain. But even if it was bought, I would consider the policy a Good Thing.

I like that the only other person besides me who actually has to worry about HPV is the only person I agree with here.

That hurts.Ã,  :'(

Let's talk about tetanus vaccinations. Ã, I'm not sure if tetanus vaccines are mandatory or not, but I wouldn't be as opposed to them if they were, simply because you can get infected with tetanus very easily.

Why does that matter? By your logic, shouldn't it be up to me to decide whether I'm at risk for tetanus?

And given that I don't think tetanus is particularly contagious (in 72 hours I won't have much opportunity to infect anyone anyway), it's not like there's a real public health concern, unlike with HPV.

You're going to be making a conscious decision to have sex, and should know the risks. Ã, 

Not if you get raped, you're not. Even if we ignore the other ways you can catch it.

Like Steve said, it's precisely because so many people are hysterical and irrational about anything to do with STDs that a vaccine like this should be made mandatory.

Now, I agree that taking some drug that is still in trials and injecting it into all girls in Texas might be moving a bit fast, but that's a separate issue. If we assume that the vaccine is safe and effective, and the price isn't insanely disproportionate to the good it will do, then this strikes me as an excellent policy.

Sorry, let me restate.

I like that the only other person besides me who actually has to worry about HPV is one of the only people I agree with here. I also agree with Snarky.

Better?

Also, Raggit, I still don't understand why you support mandatory tetanus vaccines and not mandatory HPV vaccines. If it's because it's untested, then that's a reasonable concern, but if it's just because one has strains that are sexually transmitted and the other isn't is a really bad reason not to support something that could potentially save many lives.

Pesty:

Yes, born and raised in the US. Ã, 

I'm having difficulty finding a list of what vaccines in America really ARE mandatory. Ã, If anybody can find such a list, please post it here.

Let's talk about tetanus vaccinations. Ã, I'm not sure if tetanus vaccines are mandatory or not, but I wouldn't be as opposed to them if they were, simply because you can get infected with tetanus very easily. Ã, You step on a rusty nail, you have 72 hours to get protected against something that can kill you. Ã, (The mortality rate for tetanus is somewhere around 30%, I think.)

You're going to be making a conscious decision to have sex, and should know the risks. Ã, 


Sylpher:Ã,  Agreed.

HPV IS NOT JUST AN STD. You acknowledge this and yet you STILL are talking about it as if it is. So you say you're not opposed to people getting mandatory tetanus shots. So clearly you're not opposed to people getting mandatory shots.

I'm sorry, I can't continue this. You're clearly only bothered by the idea of a mandatory HPV vaccine because you think it's an STD. Which I've already said it's not. Maybe you should think about your stance on mandatory vaccinations a little more.

Wow, this is the fastest moving thread I've ever seen.Ã,  :oÃ,  Ã, I can't get a response written without having to re-do it all over again because of all the new posts!Ã,  (Not that I'm complaining.)

I sense a tremendous amount of miscommunication here.

So here's my summarized opinion on this for clarity sake:Ã,  Exactly what Domino said it is.Ã,  (Thanks for defining my opinion for me!Ã,  )

I believe that this should be available to those who choose to be very sexually active and who want extra protection.Ã,  Those who choose to be abstinent should be respected by the government, and not thrusted in line to get a shot they don't need and don't want.

Did you see the part where I said HPV wasn't just an STD? I'm not sexually active but I'm still very worried about getting cervical cancer from HPV. Just because the most likely strain to cause it is sexually transmitted doesn't mean it's the only one.

Whoops, sorry I missed you on this one. Ã, If you're afraid of getting cancer (I am too) go get the shot, by all means. Ã, But let each person decide for herself whether or not it is right for her.

I really have to ask this now. Are you from the US? If not, that may explain why you don't seem to get the fact that there are a lot of mandatory vaccines here. Like I (and many others) have said, what's the difference between getting a vaccine for tetanus and getting a vaccine for HPV?

Wow, this is the fastest moving thread I've ever seen.Ã,  :oÃ,  Ã, I can't get a response written without having to re-do it all over again because of all the new posts!Ã,  (Not that I'm complaining.)

I sense a tremendous amount of miscommunication here.

So here's my summarized opinion on this for clarity sake:Ã,  Exactly what Domino said it is.Ã,  (Thanks for defining my opinion for me!Ã,  )

I believe that this should be available to those who choose to be very sexually active and who want extra protection.Ã,  Those who choose to be abstinent should be respected by the government, and not thrusted in line to get a shot they don't need and don't want.

Did you see the part where I said HPV wasn't just an STD? I'm not sexually active but I'm still very worried about getting cervical cancer from HPV. Just because the most likely strain to cause it is sexually transmitted doesn't mean it's the only one.

Raggit is just stating that a vaccine should not be forced upon you by the government. If you need it, then it should be voluntarily given. We do have a matter of choice, and not have the gov tell us what we should do to our own bodies.

I wish that were just what he was saying, because then I could actually agree with him in a way. But really, as mentioned before, what's the difference between this and a vaccine for Tetanus? I had to get all those childhood vaccines before I could go to school, and then again when I moved and my old doctor's office lost all my medical records. I didn't have a choice then, it was either that or my parents would get in trouble for not making me go to school. And HPV is something I'm A LOT more worried about than Tetanus.

Esper has a point with it being untested that I'll agree with as well, but the fact is that, if given the choice, someone who had cervical cancer would've gotten the shot mandatorily instead of dealing with cervical cancer, in spite of the risks of it being untested. This isn't the flu we're talking about, it's cervical cancer.

Look up Merck's history. Lawsuit after lawsuit for negligence involved in the death of users of almost all of their drugs. Look up Gardasil. It's still in the testing phases. So technically, the girls these drugs are being forced on are guinea pigs...

I'm willfully ignorant? Fine. Call Bush, the governor of Texas, and Merck's CEO so I can kiss all their asses and join the club of the informed.

Yep, that's what I'm doing. Kissing all those peoples' asses. Because I'd rather NOT GET CERVICAL CANCER than uphold my pretentious self-righteousness.

You guys are all over the map here. You're bitching about so many things that your cases fall flat. Pick a problem and stick with it. If you want to argue about the political side of it, then go for it. If you want to complain about the fact that it's mandatory, great. If it's untested drugs used on people you hate, go for it. All I'm saying is that I'd much rather be less likely to get cervical cancer than worry about who's paying who to make it mandatory.

Raggit: HPV is NOT just an STD. It comes in many forms and can be just as dangerous to a nun as it can to a hooker.

I like that the only other person besides me who actually has to worry about HPV is the only person I agree with here.

Ghormak,

Naw, mandatory HPV vaccinations haven't killed my family and pets. Ã, Yet... wait till they find out it causes some other disease.

More seriously, I'm upset about this because it is such an obvious you-scratch-my-political-back-I'll-scratch-your-corporate-back manuever, and it is once again the people who get caught in the middle.

Like I said in the beginning: Ã, Where will it end? Ã, How far will the government go to make us "safer?"

Who cares what the cause of it is as long as women are less likely to get cervical cancer?