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I loved the 90s!

They were so much fun!

Anybody remember Hansen?  Didn't think so.  (Just so you know, I never listened to any of their music, they creeped me out.)

Okay, okay, my darkest secret:  I'm muzzled by Army Brass!

...How could this thread ever be a good idea?

Because you are interested in the future, for that is where you and I will spend the rest of our lives!Ã,  And remember, future events such as these will affect you, in the future!

You are interested in the unknown... the mysterious. The unexplainable. That is why you are here. And now, for the first time, we are bringing to you the full story of what happened on that fateful day. We are bringing you all the evidence, based only on the secret testimony, of the miserable souls, who survived this terrifying ordeal. The incidents, the places. My friend, we cannot keep this a secret any longer. Let us punish the guilty. Let us reward the innocent. My friend, can your heart stand the shocking facts of grave robbers from outer space? the AGS forum members guilty pleasures/dark secrets??!

Hey, this thread title just brought back an interesting memory of mine.

I attended a Christian highschool for a year, and I remember the Bible teacher saying that it's no wonder that the rest of the world hates America because they can pick up broadcasts of MTV.  I think he was actually being serious, which made it not funny.

Ooh, that makes me think of another one:

There was this little boy who lived way out in the country and it was the middle of the hot summer and there wasn't much water.  Oneday, his mother looked out to see him pumping water into his cupped hands, only to wander off into the woods.  Then he'd come back and do it all over again. 

The mother followed the boy into the woods, intending to scold him for his reckless use of the precious water, but then she saw him bend down to a young baby deer to let it lap the water out of his cupped hands. 

Mother approached the little boy, and he looked up at her with tears in his eyes and said, "I'm not wasting it, mommy."

Then mommy took out a shotgun and splattered the baby deer all over the forest and replied, "You're right about that."

Here's my tragic story:

When I was way younger and before I got my own email account, I had to put up with all my mom's middle aged Christian women-friends crapping loads of brighten-your-day messages and tragic stories into our inbox overflowing with cutesy smiley animations and cheap MIDI music.

If that's how an american goverment feels and bases its governing on, then it's not a democratic goverment and should be removed immediately.

Amen.

Yes indeed, get those shots... but don't make them mandatory.

Like Pesty, I simply don't know what else to say. 

Yes, I am fully aware that there more strains of HPV that are not sexually transmitted.  I adressed that earlier.  Perhaps you missed it. 

I've attempted to make my stance as clear as possible, while evidently not doing a very good job. 

So in conclusion:

I think that any female who doesn't want to get these sexually transmitted HPVs should go get that shot as soon as possible.

Whenever the government takes one more step into the private lives of citizens, I oppose it.  Quit telling me that I MUST do this and THAT in order to be "safe."  I'll take responsibility for my own health, thank you very much.

Again, I don't know which vaccines are mandatory and which ones aren't.

However, one tetanus shot is only good for so long.  After you get poked and scratched enough, you need another one.  You're totally free to choose not to get that shot, and go ahead and take your chances with tetanus.

I guess the reason I'm more comfortable with giving kids mandatory shots for measles, small pox, meninigitis and so fourth is because many of those kinds of diseases are highly contaigious, transmissible through any kind of contact, not just sexual.

Again, it is my understanding that these most harmful kinds of HPVs are SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED, and therefore are only a high risk if you're sexually active with many partners.  That's what I'm basing my opinion off of here.

Man, now that the dust is settling I feel like a jerk.  (Note to self: Take breaks in between rapid responses.)

Going over the thread, it looks more of a fight than a debate, which is partly my fault.

I'm sorry if I acted like a prick to any of you.  (Especially Becky)


However, I still don't support this vaccine.   

There are some 30 types of HPV that are sexually transmitted. Ã, I think that's what we're talking about here, right? Ã,  Only about a dozen cause any form of cancer. Ã, This, by the way, includes penile cancer, too. Ã,  That means it can potentially affect me, but I'm not at all worried about it.Ã,  I don't want to be told I have to have a shot for it.Ã, 

There are numerous other kinds of HPVs, some which are relatively harmless. Ã, (For instance, the kind that just cause worts.) Ã, I don't think we need to have mandatory vaccines against THAT, do we?

It is my understanding that these most dangerous forms of HPV are sexually transmitted, and therefore we should put more emphasis on teaching personal responsibility, and not just giving people a shot in place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_papillomavirus#Skin_warts


I am feeling lost myself at this point.  The last two hours are a bit of a blur, and I'm left with some more research and re-assessing to do.

Pesty:

Yes, born and raised in the US. Ã, 

I'm having difficulty finding a list of what vaccines in America really ARE mandatory. Ã, If anybody can find such a list, please post it here.

Let's talk about tetanus vaccinations. Ã, I'm not sure if tetanus vaccines are mandatory or not, but I wouldn't be as opposed to them if they were, simply because you can get infected with tetanus very easily. Ã, You step on a rusty nail, you have 72 hours to get protected against something that can kill you. Ã, (The mortality rate for tetanus is somewhere around 30%, I think.)

You're going to be making a conscious decision to have sex, and should know the risks. Ã, 


Sylpher:  Agreed.

Isn't the point of making such things mandatory to force a certain standard of living at all levels of society? The only viable argument, as has been pointed out... twice, is that the vaccine itself is not fully tested. All other arguments fall under the "Why should I have to learn math? I should be free to be ignorant!" set of thinking or silly corporate/government conspiracy theories.

I don't think the "why should I have to learn math" argument is exactly synonomous with "why should I have to get a shot against HPV when I don't need/want it?"

The vaccine doesn't guarantee you protection from cervical cancer, nor does it guarantee protection from getting cancer anywhere else, which could be just as deadly.  As the CDC states, the best prevention for this is being sexually responsible.  (Eating right helps, too.)

Wow, this is the fastest moving thread I've ever seen.Ã,  :oÃ,  Ã, I can't get a response written without having to re-do it all over again because of all the new posts!Ã,  (Not that I'm complaining.)

I sense a tremendous amount of miscommunication here.

So here's my summarized opinion on this for clarity sake:Ã,  Exactly what Domino said it is.Ã,  (Thanks for defining my opinion for me!Ã,  )

I believe that this should be available to those who choose to be very sexually active and who want extra protection.Ã,  Those who choose to be abstinent should be respected by the government, and not thrusted in line to get a shot they don't need and don't want.

Did you see the part where I said HPV wasn't just an STD? I'm not sexually active but I'm still very worried about getting cervical cancer from HPV. Just because the most likely strain to cause it is sexually transmitted doesn't mean it's the only one.

Whoops, sorry I missed you on this one. Ã, If you're afraid of getting cancer (I am too) go get the shot, by all means. Ã, But let each person decide for herself whether or not it is right for her.

Helm, what does that got to do with it? 

Not sure if that's supposed to be a serious question or not, but I have nothing to hide: the answer is probably yes...  and no.

Yes in the sense that I'm not the type who'll go for a one night stand with somebody I pick up in a bar, but no in the sense that I'm not opposed to premarital sex, as long as I respect and trust my partner.

Wow, this is the fastest moving thread I've ever seen.Ã,  :oÃ,  Ã, I can't get a response written without having to re-do it all over again because of all the new posts!Ã,  (Not that I'm complaining.)

I sense a tremendous amount of miscommunication here.

So here's my summarized opinion on this for clarity sake:Ã,  Exactly what Domino said it is.Ã,  (Thanks for defining my opinion for me!Ã,  )

I believe that this should be available (but not exclusively) to those who choose to be very sexually active and who want extra protection.Ã,  Those who choose to be abstinent should be respected by the government, and not be thrusted in line to get a shot they don't need and don't want.

Ghormak,

Naw, mandatory HPV vaccinations haven't killed my family and pets. Ã, Yet... wait till they find out it causes some other disease.

More seriously, I'm upset about this because it is such an obvious you-scratch-my-political-back-I'll-scratch-your-corporate-back manuever, and it is once again the people who get caught in the middle.

Like I said in the beginning: Ã, Where will it end? Ã, How far will the government go to make us "safer?"

Who cares what the cause of it is as long as women are less likely to get cervical cancer?

That's like the people who say, "Who cares if the government is reading our mail and listening to our phone calls as long it's to prevent terrorism?" Ã, It's the principal behind it that offends me.

Helm, I'm not quite seeing what you mean. Ã, What is your opinion on this particular issue?  How am I taking a moral highground here?

and it is once again the people who get caught in the middle.

The people who are getting vaccinated against a particularly nasty form of cancer? Why is this bad again?

Because, once again, this is a sexually transmitted disease, not something you can catch if somebody else in the room sneezes. Ã, This is another case of the government saying, "Okay, it's possible that the girls out there are going be at a higher risk of cervical cancer if they sleep with the wrong guy. Ã, Therefore, let's assume all girls are at-risk whores and force them to get this shot, conviently manufactured by Merck."

It is not wrong if the girls VOLUNTEER to be vaccinated against HPV, but to force them is wrong, in my view.

It's like the seatbelt thing: Ã, You're going to assume everybody is a bad driver and force them to wear a seatbelt. Ã, But even that is more acceptable than the shot, because OTHER bad drivers around you can put you at risk, as well as road conditions, etc.

Ghormak,

Naw, mandatory HPV vaccinations haven't killed my family and pets. Ã, Yet... wait till they find out it causes some other disease.

More seriously, I'm upset about this because it is such an obvious you-scratch-my-political-back-I'll-scratch-your-corporate-back manuever, and it is once again the people who get caught in the middle.

Like I said in the beginning: Ã, Where will it end? Ã, How far will the government go to make us "safer?"

The government should just hand out boat loads of condoms to males. Then there would be no reason for the vaccine.Ã,  Safe Sex is the Best Sex.

omg, but condoms aren't effective in total disease prevention!  Next up:  Mandatory castrations.