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Show posts MenuQuote from: Andail on Thu 08/08/2013 10:33:03The problem with this is that you're also believing in the sexist views that men drive more recklessly than women. The other factor that insurance companies use to base these sexist views of men vs women drivers are speeding tickets. It's shown that men receive more speeding tickets than women, but this is where I get upset. I know several dozen women that tell me they've never received a speeding ticket. Not because they don't speed and don't get pulled over, but merely because the police officer let them off with a warning. When I have asked dozens of men, I rarely hear of them receiving a warning.
Men have to pay more for car insurance because men in general drive more recklessly, which sucks but then again is just another tragic consequence of how we are supposed to act and behave (young men are encouraged by each other to drive fast)
Quote from: Andail on Thu 08/08/2013 10:33:03I'm sure Anita would love to discuss this, since it's a perfect example of what she's trying to say (treating genders differently is destructive), but I guess she was simply focusing on games and media in that video.I wasn't actually serious about her debating this issue, I was mostly saying her discussions are completely "feminist" and that if she took a neutral position on things, I may actually have more respect for her.
Quote from: shadowface on Tue 13/08/2013 20:19:10To be a moderator, you would already know the answer to this.
OK if you people are gonna respect me and explain to me what is wrong with my post if anything witch you haven't been doing than I won't need to become one.
Quote from: Myinah on Wed 07/08/2013 01:47:24Imagine it this way: I have my own YouTube channel, and since you can't see this fake video, imagine the stuff in asterisks being what I'm doing on camera. I show the Twix commercial. I then start to say:
To me she was delivering a message in a reasonable and calm tone, with a few facial expressions to show her feelings about the ads.
Quote from: Myinah on Wed 07/08/2013 01:47:24You like sexy women, Anita is saying that women being sexy in ads is a problem, therefore it might make you feel angry that she wants to take away something you enjoy and personally feel is harmless. I might be wrong, but if I'm not I can understand why she would irritate you.She hasn't really expressed this at all, other than mentioning the Twix commercial needlessly having 3 models. I agree with her arguments of not having women shown in a degrading fashion, but from my perspective, I only see the men looking degrading (other than Paris Hilton, but that's her in a nutshell). In the Twix or Coors Light commercial, one could argue that these women being trusting is shown as degrading to their overall intelligence, I do not. Sure it shows them as being naive, but in all honesty, they're accepting they're spouse's word in trust. If you can't trust someone to this degree, you shouldn't be with them. Which is why it makes these men look like assholes.
Quote from: Myinah on Wed 07/08/2013 01:47:24He's clearly not doing it to be noble, he's doing it to have sex, potentially even a 3 way.I never meant noble as in a man helping walk an old lady across the street. I meant he asked in a respectful and courageous manner to introduce the idea and show his desire to get to know either of these ladies. I'm not disputing he doesn't want to have sex with either of them (or even a 3 way), I simply mean I feel he seems like he genuinely wants to get to know either of them.
Quote from: Myinah on Wed 07/08/2013 01:47:24Like you have experienced yourself, one of the worst thing you can be as a man is feminine.Isn't it the same with women where the worst thing you can be is masculine? I would think so anyway. Those are probably sexist views, but I don't see women and men as being the same. In all honesty, I actually feel women are the superior sex. I do. They're far more beautiful, caring, passionate, mature, outgoing etc (my own subjective opinion, obviously). But I do know that men are superior on many things though, things that the majority of women couldn't do with their natural anatomy.
Quote from: Myinah on Wed 07/08/2013 01:47:24The funny thing is though that all these sexy women in bikinis drinking are great until someone gets laid or hurt. Then people say "She's a slut!" or "She was asking for it!" or "What did she expect getting drunk in that skirt?"This is a hard topic to cover. There is no male equivalent to a bikini or miniskirt (I mean in terms of sexual attraction). Men are naturally designed to want to dominate and do their business with any woman they're attracted to. When a woman is wearing a skimpy dress or bikini, there's nothing more visually inviting and accessible, besides being naked. That's like swimming in a tank filled with friendly sharks, with meat wrapped around your body and then being surprised that these shark acted on impulse. Or even walking around the street with large sums of money in your hand.
Quote from: Myinah on Wed 07/08/2013 01:47:24[kid yelling at you] But it begs the question, where did he learn this stuff?That brings me to a argument I had with my older brother. I was arguing how my niece, his daughter, shouldn't be listening to the music she's listening to at her age. That she should be listening to kid appropriate music. The girl, at 4 years old, knows the lyrics to Sexy and I Know It. It was horrifying the first time I saw it. I was completely stunned. She was in her car seat with her headphones on (yes, she has an mp3 player with THESE songs on it) and she was at the "I've got a passion in my pants" part of the song singing along when she spread her legs open pointing at her crotch with an up and down hand gesture.
Quote from: Myinah on Wed 07/08/2013 01:47:24I think I would ask myself why I don't want to play as a woman though and if it is because you only enjoy the immersion of playing as your own gender or if it is because you don't think female stories would be as interesting or valuable in a non sexual context. [..] I just wonder what it really is that makes a female character seem like a lesser experience?Both of those, yes. And to be honest, I am indeed absolutely sexist. I would find it immersion breaking to see a woman wielding a large chainsaw gun and heavy armor while kicking and curb stomping massive opponents - it's bad enough that a guy is doing these things. Then you could argue that she could just be a physically large and strong woman, but if we're going to go that route and take sexual interest out of the character I'm playing as, I may as well just play as my own sex.
Quote from: Myinah on Tue 06/08/2013 12:28:08I wasn't surprised she was a feminist, I was surprised that how insanely opinionated and highly negative she was. She can't make one point without rolling her eyes. She really needs to work on her presentation and overall point.
Ryan I'm surprised you were surprised that she's quite feminist. Her channel is called Feminist Frequency so I didn't think it would be a shock.
Quote from: Myinah on Tue 06/08/2013 12:28:08And regarding the lego, I have no problem with there being a Lego set that is pink and "feminine" but she's trying to point out that the lego sets that have public service roles like fire fighters, police, etc have no female mini figs. Why not? Women are in every public sector serving their country and our kids should know that, boys and girls alike. I see a lot of guys saying they wont play games as girls, but in the same breath saying girls should just play with the sets even though the mini figs are all boys. Are you not seeing the double standard?Thank-you. With your better approach to explain the point she was "trying" to make, you've helped me see what she was arguing. Of course though, unless all these fireman, police officers, etc sets all come with Lego men and not the non gender Lego character, then I'm still confused with why she's so upset with it being "for boys". If that's the case, she should've explained this by perhaps showing that all the Lego characters are painted male in these sets. I've grown up with Lego and all the sets my parents got me came with the non gender Lego face. The majority had male hair (or no hair with helmets), but there were also a few female characters too. So if Lego has changed this in the past 20 years and only have Lego men, then I understand her point that she didn't clearly make.
Quote from: Myinah on Tue 06/08/2013 12:28:08He stopped dancing, stopped all the things that could have been considered feminine because he learned that displaying an interest in feminine things was bad if you were a boy.It happens in a work environment too. I work in a male only department of a factory (I actually have issues with it being male only with HR never hiring women for that department). I've had a few men harass me, calling me a woman or saying I'm feminine because I don't have the same interests as them. My interests pretty much consist of computers, video games, tv and movies. The coworkers were once talking about cars, sports and terrible 90s action movies whereas I had no comment on the conversations and did express that I had no interest in cars or sports, and that the movies they were talking about were quite rubbish. Which resulted in "That's because you're feminine", simply because I just don't have the stereotypical "masculine" interests. And for a while it became a regular insult - and calling me gay. Fortunately the immaturity has died down.
Quote from: Myinah on Tue 06/08/2013 12:28:08If there are more female characters then like Ryan said, he wont be buying those games because they simply wont appeal to him.What I meant by that, but I never actually said it, I don't want the majority of games to be solely one sex. I want the majority of games to have a choice like Mass Effect with the male or female Shepherd. But if it's strictly a female game, I then have very very little interest in it unless it's awesome. If I can play the male Marcus in Gears of War and my gf can play the game as a female Marcus, that would be ideal.
Quote from: waheela on Tue 06/08/2013 22:46:54Probably because Zero Punctuation generally pokes fun at a single game, not trying to change society and our lifestyle. Which is fine, just not easily done without receiving criticism and hatred.
Why can't we all just watch these videos as is, take a little from them we find interesting/insightful, and then move on? Why do we see these videos as an attack on who we are as gamers, but don't have this same reaction when we watch Zero Punctuation?
Quote from: Andail on Mon 05/08/2013 19:09:49I meant that I have no issue playing as the female character in a game like Hunted, just to stare at her ass on every cutscene that she lifts a door, while she walks sideways between tight areas, or ducks under stuff. Do I want EVERY game to be like this? No. Heck no. But I certainly enjoyed the extra bonus of seeing that beautiful character doing provocative poses and such; so no, I never felt it was a bad thing at all, that a game developer made a game with sexual interest in mind. She wasn't a "girly" girl, but she did have a very attractive body (with unpractical armor lol). I didn't know anything about this game before playing it though, so I never bought it so I could stare at E'lara's ass every cutscene.
Ryan Timothy; I'm not sure what you wanted to say with your last post. You admit that you're enjoying stereotypically sexualized female 3d-characters, and therefore... well, therefore what? Do you find the way the game designers have exploited her sexuality (to provide eye candy for male players) a good thing or a bad thing? Please explain.
Quote from: Calin Leafshade on Mon 05/08/2013 10:56:02I agree. Like look at this:
I don't believe it is the point because it tacitly implies that men want Duke Nukem and its perfectly ok for them to want that.
Quote from: DoorKnobHandle on Sat 03/08/2013 22:18:49I'll do it for you.
(Looks like youtube embedding is broken again - or am I doing it wrong?)
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Quote from: cat on Sun 28/07/2013 17:33:26It's TT.
Edit: Strange, the forum's [tele][/tele] tag doesn't seem to work...
Quote from: Babar on Tue 23/07/2013 01:18:44From what I've been told and have researched, Steam takes 25%.
I didn't really buy a lot of indie titles; I usually pick the indie ones up during a bundle for fairly cheap, so I can't pretend any moral superiority or anything, but I wonder how much of it goes towards the developers? I know in the HIB you can choose how you split it...
Quote from: qptain Nemo on Sat 20/07/2013 04:35:34I wasn't either before I started playing it, but from all the good reviews, I had to give it a go. I definitely enjoyed the hell out of that game. Super captivating and that narrator is awesome.
Bastion - still not in the mood for this game, but it was piss cheap so it felt almost like a crime not to buy it.
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