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Hey, Steel Drummer's image below (there with the yellow evil face) shows my IP, my ISP, my version of windows and IE and says: Your IP is stolen!!! Is it an abuse? Is it a hacking? Is it a bug of this forum? I thought this forum was safe from atacks like this. Hey please AGSers, help!

I think there is a way to do that, well it is a bit weird but i suppose it will help you:

The problem of having a function b() {
                                      c();
                                     }
                                function c() {
                                      b();
                                      }
is that AGS won't recognize the command c();, since it is defined below. The idea is to try "confuse" the engine so it won't undrstand that trick.
   
In the room that you want this situatuion to be made, create a character e.g. EMPTY. Then to his interaction "look at character" have the script command "c();"

Now, your first script should be modified as:
function b() {
   RunCharacterInteraction(//character EMPTY, interaction "Look");
}
function c() {
   b();
}

Was this helpful?

Note: Please answer only if you know and not for to tell "i don't believe in this e.t.c.", because there is no reason to tell that, since it won't offer any help.

For those who have searched and believe to that: About Spirit Guides, when i noticed that the two most famous version of this theory are:
1.) We have many Spirit Guides to protect us and we can contact with all of them
2.) There is one our personal Spirit Guide, which is different from our Guardian Angel, and also we can contact with him, be friends, but we should not reveal his name to other people (or spiritual entities).

Which one of these two do you find most near to the truth? And if you are also Christians, what do you have to say about Christianity's belief that any attempt to contact with such spiritual entities it is doomed to fail or it will make you to be trapped by daemons?

I wasn't joking. Because you talk ironically and you don't respect the others ("prefer a Gandalf vs Voodoo lady discussion", "christianism brings bad humor", "you want to discuss about Gandalf against Saruman" e.t.c.) this doesn't mean that the others are also doing the same.

What do you preffer? A 3-post thread about Saruman against Gandalf or a popular one?Ã, 

I prefer the subject this topic has created for, no matter if it will ended a 3-post or a 0-post. As i said, maybe there are people who want to discuss the subject i wanted to discuss, but they don't want to have an argument with all you that you don't believe in a Higher Power. Is it so hard to respect that? It seems that is for you (and for some others of course).

Quote from me:
Note: This question goes only to these people that know for what i am talking about.

Has anyone who has readen the Ritual of the Messenger, performed or tried to perform it? Even if the author of the book in which this ritual is decribed says to his website that this ritual should not be performed (at least that was i understood from his sayings), the matter remains that in his book he performed that ritual and he said that this is a useful "experience" and he helped him a lot e.t.c.

Thanks Tuomas, i realised you have right about the word "orthodox". I thought this word was used only with religious-meaning.

On a sidenote, I'm not taking part in this silly argument since it's never going to create any sensible solution.

I tried my fellow to prevent this argument which indeed is never to create any sensible solution and i told that many times this conversation was not the purpose of this topic, but you can check how many attacks i had from people who suppose that to start discussing a completely another subject then the original of this topic is very normal and that this has fun to go on...

orthdox (little O)

Something typical: the word "orthdox" of course is with "little O", since it's a word that you evented, as i don't think it is written in any english vocabulary. But if you mean the word "orthodox", then it would be nice to show some respect and write him "Orthodox", as i write "White Magic" and "White Mages" and "Spiritualism", although i am a Christian You could edit that part of your reply and delete this branding that you made. Or may you want to edit that word "orthdox" and change it into "orthodox", insisting to your opinion. Of course it's up to you.

EDIT: Oh, ehm i see below Tuomas' explanation that you meant not Christian Orthodox but the actual word "orthodox", so that's why you said "little O". Ok, sorry for the incovinience, anyway, this joke that i made with word "orthdox" wasn't for to offend you, don't be insulted , it was just a request. Greetings!

Note: This question goes only to these people that know for what i am talking about.

Has anyone who has readen the Ritual of the Messenger, performed or tried to perform it? Even if the author of the book in which this ritual is decribed says to his website that this ritual should not be performed (at least that was i understood from his sayings), the matter remains that in his book he performed that ritual and he said that this is a useful "experience" and he helped him a lot e.t.c.

A, and something else that it is not off-topic, because i have heard this also by a White Mage, actually for a strange reason, this belief that Jesus is reffered only to religious texts made him to follow magic and a wonder if many mages are affected by that. Anyway, Jesus as a person is reffered to MANY HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS. Roman, Jews (not Christians) and many other have reffered him to his writtings, of course not as a God, but as a person who indeed said that he is God. His existence fulfills all demands of history-crisitism to accept that aperson existed in the past. So, Jesus is ABSOLUTELY a historical person and his existence IS CONFIRMED BY HISTORY, whatever you say. Now if he is a God or he was only a human, that is another matter.

I agree with all that Nikolas said. Especially to the matter of the phrase "In my opinion".
Renal Shutdown.... are you serious? You the one who offends, not me.
"I'm not going to say you're going to hell because of the color of your shirt, don't disrespect other people's opinions in the same way." Sorry, but that sounds like a stupidity! I don't disrespect, where did you see that??? It is you who disrespect with YOUR offenses. I DIDN'T offend anyone.
"I see my Fear/Greed section got completely omitted. Ã, Do you have to ask your priest about that one?" Indeed i omitted it , not because i wanted to ask a priest's advice, just i thought the answer is obvious, but it seems the answer is not obvious for you

{"He", the Father, etc.. Ã, What version of the Bible are you reading?} No comment for this disagreement Renal Shutdown, only that the phrase "If you're going to read the Bible, at least do it with some conviction and not just read what's been laid out in front of you" it seems that it goes to you. Because i doubt you will search what i mean, let me help you Ã,  Ã, "Father, Son and Holy Ghost".

"The people who haven't heard about Christianity (rain forest people, who are covered by Islam).. Ã, What happens to them? Ã, From what I remember from the Bible, they don't get a mention.." I will repeat it: the phrase Ã, "If you're going to read the Bible, at least do it with some conviction and not just read what's been laid out in front of you" indeed goes to you. Or another explanation is that you suffer from amnesia. What from these two is happening???

Maybe i offended you in this reply, to show you that is not a very good idea to have a discussion talking ironically, as you did but i, whatever you say, i didn't

I am someone who was Christian, then while i was still a Christian searched many religions, then in a specific time i was troubled with Spiritualism and White Magic, searched them, their fhilosophy and the way that they face problems and finally i dismissed them and i came back to Christianity and even if i don't follow it with great passion e.g. like a Monk, i am trying to discover if this religion expresses fully my heart and to remain to, if not a white path, at least to a silver path. That's all about now. I didn't reply to this question for to do your favour, but for to prompt White Mages and Christians to share their way of researching up to now.

I am not going to ask you what is YOUR actual faith, because this question, since you are not a Christian or White Mage, is out-off topic

yes, i think so. But on the other hand, how someone will proove that a part of a specific game has been made using his module? The creator of the game can say: "I thought this idea without to see your module"   

Anyway, there is nothing more annoying from stealing someone your copyright and work.

The matter of believing is something very very personal indeed. This doesn't mean that there isn't any supernatural power. The matter is if someone has the will to find it, this is not inspired by supernatural power. Because freedom means that we have to find it, to choose to find it. And during this quest, if we face difficulties that are above our powers, then God will help us to overcome them

I didn't said that believing makes me better than you. And i didn't say i am happier than you. I am hapier when i hope that there is life after death, but that doesn't mean i am hapier than you.
Listen, the matter of believing or not is very very personal. And some times it has to do with how much someone wants to search the unknown. Anyway, i don't think it's weakness to believe that, when e.g. a part of your family gets sick, there is a Higher Power which watch and will do what's the best to do for you and the people around you. Ok, the thought that a God exists makes me happy. I would be very sad if it, let's say was proven that God doesn't exist, but i don't think that this is weakness.

Anyway, i tried to give a reply to the matter of what's the point of believing with my pour english and with my knowledge about Christianity. But i realise that this (and of course many other matters that has to do with religions) can not be described with words. You talked with your school-teacher. Is that your only search about Christianity?
I have sent e-mails and had discussion with White Mages. Not only one or two. There bad priests and good priests, as there are people with good and people with bad intentions.
I suppose you have gone to church, you tried to follow Christianity, before you dismiss it. If not, then i am sorry, but you haven't any idea about what you judge.

You say, if there is the same to be a moral atheist and christian, then why to believe, well, it obviously has difference. Its difference is that if you believe, then you feel that you have a Higher Source that see your good action and does not leave evil to hurt you. Also, i suppose someone feels hapier when he knows that life continues after death. Then nothing is pointless that you do in this world. So, one factor for to believe is our physical and spiritual health. They are more reasons, more important, but well i suppose you can think many of them I will say also antother one: Morality is a meaning very unstable. It is not bad to have a teaching to guide you, when you won't know how to act to a situation. Ok, i assume that God exists now, but for to answer to your question. It is much easier to take "bad" way if you don't believe, isn't it? Because if God does not exist, EVERYTHING are allowd, there is not defined good and wrong, no one can define proper and unproper.

As you can see, i have replied.

Yes, indeed you asked, but you told "that sound blackmail..." and i thought you took this idea of condemn as my certain answer. anyway

I would like Nachos to ask you something: All of these thoughts and questions, have you told them to a Monk/Priest? You know, i search Christianity, but a Monk/Priest "lives" this situation. Have you talked to a Monk?

First of all, i used "He" because in Christianity we say "Father" and the word God in greek is a male word. It doesn't matter, obviously God has not genre, you can say "Him", "She", "It". I didn't mean that God is male!
Now this "Nobody knows how God judges": You have his teachings. If you are an honourable man with love for others, i suppose it is sure that you will join with God to the next life. This phrase is mainly referred to those Aborigines you said, or Canibals, or Christians who haven't real faith (i don't say i have real faith, i just try to find the truth) e.t.c. You said something that many Atheists think that Christianity says, that every non-Christian will go to Hell. Christianity doesn't say this. We don't know the way God thinks, because we can't understand this way of thinking, since we are "lower" beings. We have God's teachings and we know He is a God of love, that's enougn for to take courage and hope. So, this phrase is to understand that we can't tell "You will go to hell, or you will go to hell e.t.c.", so we must respect the others.

We can't expect help from God? Of course we can. Just God's help comes when human strength is not enough. E.g. if you try to find a job and you do all the search you could and you didn't manage to find one job, then God will recognize your trial and will help you to find one.

Maybe a reference of this module to game's credits would solve this problem, i guess.

Indeed they are games that demand huge amount of patience
As Black Dahlia of course...

It is little not-nice to see it, but there isn't any damage to your game:) If you click "don't show" option, then they won't affect anything in your game.

I express only my opinion and i don't blame anyone's faith. If you were a more careful reader, you would see that i write: "I am not close-mind my friend, i used to LOVE all these supernatural lifestyles." and everywhere that i say something like "i don't think that is healthy", i also say the words "I,in my opinion e.t.c.", these are what I think and what I would like to discuss about. I would like very much to know your point of view and how do you use magic e.t.c. I want to hear your opinion and compare it with the thoughts i did when i was searching about Magic and Spiritualism.

"If you're going to judge someone else's belief system, don't judge it from a different belief system"  Topic's title is "Christianity versus White Magic", which means White Mages and Christians gather here and tell their opinion about the other "side" with respect and with no fanaticism. Personally i feel sad with the idea that magic exists, and i don't think it's so bad to ask for you to tell me why you don't feel bad and how do you use magic to your life, to what exactly you believe, why, how did it came e.t.c.

"what right do you have to tell someone of another faith that they're wrong?" I have good intentions which are not to change your faith of course, but to realise what is really magic and what does it really mean for a White Mage. I don't see anything wrong to tell "Hey, IN MY OPINION magic is wrong", because this is only my opinion, and posting this means that i am not yet sure that magic or at least all forms of magic are eveil or lie or wrong.

The other things about God and Dark Lord you say are completely personal thoughts. I have the right to ask myself  "daemons are behind every communication with the dead?" and also to express my doubts to the others. Through a dialog without fanaticism and anger we can achieve a lot, i guess.

Nachos, i suppose you are free to post You know i prefer this conversation to be kept to the subject i defined when i created this topic, but if you post, i will answer to you.

Nachos, i would apreciate if you create a topic in which you will post your doubts about Christianity. It would be my honor to participate. However, if you don't desire that, i won't have any other argument for this matter, i will answer to your critisism because i will connect my opinions with an asnwer that will set questions also for this topic's proper subject: "Christianity versus White Magic".

First of all, i didn't say it's a proof. I said that God respects our freedom to make choices. Don't you think it would be a bit against freedom to reveal Himself to us? Because then we would be "forced" to obey him (possibly because of fear) even if we don't, how can i say, "axcept" Him. God wants our relationship with Him to be based on true love and friendship. Jesus didn't make miracles in front of His enemies, to avoid exactly that thing. If their enemies had good intentions, then i suppose Jesus would make miracles to them or He would explain everything they couldn't understand, as He did with Saint Paul, who was an enemy of Christianity, but he had good intentions and he was not acting under personal benefits (as Jesus' enemies) but under his good intention to do the right but the right that he thought it was the right  .

Now, i would like to talk about punishment. Many (almost all) Atheists say "Is it a good God He who will allow people to go to Hell e.t.c.". You Nachos talked about Aborigines and atheists who are moral and about the way that God will judge them. However, it was not proper to say that Christianity tells that, since Christianity DOES NOT tell that! Christians believe that NO ONE knows how God will judge people. NO ONE said that because someone tells that he is Christian, he will be automatically saved, or that a canibal who hasn't heard about Jesus, will be judged the way that will be judged someone who had the chance to be moral but he wasn't (e.g. some wealth people). NO ONE knows how God will judge people. So, stop saying "it is going to condemn the ones who do not believe in him" because it's a lie.

Now, about Hell something. Hell it is not a place where people are burning into fire! But when God reveals himself after Revelation, then these people which have chosen by free will to do terrible things, such as killing people to gain money e.t.c. they will blame theirselves because they have chosen to dismiss God's goods (love, compasion, friendship, hapiness e.t.c.) and so they will suffer with the thought that they have lost these things which bring the true hapiness. So they will create Hell by themselves. God does not create any Hell. Humans create Hell or Paradise for themselves.

If an Atheist has heard about God and he is moral, which means he lives the Heaven from the earth already (he feels love, hapiness e.t.c.), well his fate is not so different from the fate of a Christian, because as i said before, Christianity says that NO ONE knows how God will judge people and with what measures. You say, if there is the same to be a moral atheist and christian, then why to believe, well, it obviously has difference. Its difference is that if you believe, then you feel that you have a Higher Source that see your good action and does not leave evil to hurt you. Also, i suppose someone feels hapier when he knows that life continues after death. Then nothing is pointless that you do in this world. So, one factor for to believe is our physical and spiritual health. They are more reasons, more important, but well i suppose you can think many of them I will say also antother one: Morality is a meaning very unstable. It is not bad to have a teaching to guide you, when you won't know how to act to a situation. Ok, i assume that God exists now, but for to answer to your question. It is much easier to take "bad" way if you don't believe, isn't it? Because if God does not exist, EVERYTHING are allowd, there is not defined good and wrong, no one can define proper and unproper.

So, now about White Magic, which troubles me, i don't think that the idea of calling supernatural powers is healthy. It looks like a harry-poter way of life, in which easy people solve their problems. Having a God like Jesus to believe, means act, take actions, but knowing that someone Higher is watching you and gives strength when you will indeed need it. Also, the idea of revival that Spiritualism believes is not healthy for me, because it represents soul like a cold box, which fills and empties with feelings from time to time. The idea of having an end the life-circle means that our emotions and action are not pointless and every moment of our life is extra important.
White Magic teaches love and respect, but how, with supernatural powers; When i was searching all this magic stuff, i thought: Hey, do i really want supernatural powers? Casting spell and so on? What true is it possible to find to rituals to the name of an unknown power? Queen Kara, it would be nice if you post your experiences and why did you decide to learn White Magic.


Babar, what Moses did is not White Magic. He got his strength by God, he alone has not any supernatural power, so we can't call him "a Wizard". God chose this time to act Moses, if Moses wanted to do that by himself, he wouldn't be able to do this. Miracle is not equal to White Magic. When people asked a Saint "are you a Mage;" he answered negative. I don't remember what exactly answer he gave, but it was something like "No, i am just an instrument (with the good meaning) of God, who spares love to all people"

Queen Kara, something else:
"It's the frauds and the people who are quick to flag everything different as evil that keeps people down over things they shouldn't be down about." I hope you don't tell this from me also. Because, as i've said many times, i have done many many research and i troubled my mind a lot with all this Meditation Supernatural Spell stuff. I just ended to the conclusion that Christianity is higher than them, that doesn't mean that i am fraud.
"I consider myself a bit of a skeptic but I'm also a believer in many things and I want to believe alot of things." Of course that's what every man should do. But i won't say that i believe in everything, when i don't, so to don't call me "close-mind". Open-mind doesn't mean to believe in everything, but to don't hurry to dismiss anything. I don't completely dismiss Magic, that's why i posted this Topic, to discuss this subject
" Although I hate it when people equate White with Good and Black with Evil so much , if you're healing somebody or yourself...this is a good thing not an evil thing....regardless of how you do it...whether through a spell or through special lotion and bandages. If you want to protect your family / yourself through a ritual or spell , how can this be a bad thing? Just because you are using an unconventional method? Pshaw!
Even if you're using "dark" energies ( for some people it is easier to imagine darkness / a "Black light" rather than a White one or a different color entirely... ) , if you don't misuse them then you are doing good". Come on now, i used White to sumbolize Good, but there's no need to be upset for that Also, of course the method might be not healthy! If someone e.g. bothers your sister and to prevent this you shoot that guy and you kill him, this method released your sister from this bothering, but is it truly the right and healthier way to solve this problem? Of course method matters.
"Plus there should be balance in all things." My friend, to return to the original subject of this topic, do you think that all things can be balanced? Can someone being Christian and White Mage at the same time? Are you? And if yes, i would like very much to explain me how, since God dismiss any form of magic.
I am not close-mind my friend, i used to LOVE all these supernatural lifestyles. But i think using a harry-potter style to change our environment and our selves it won't have any good results. If you disagree, i would like to hear your opinion, without fanaticism.

But where do you get your morality from?Ã,  Doesn't god/God/gods dictate it to you in the first place?Ã,  Isn't it drawn from holy texts or texts "inspired" by the word of the god/God/gods?Ã,  How can you, without referring to religious texts, be certain that this higher entity is "absolute white" or perfectly moral?

Becky, my point is exactly that: If God exists, i agree with you that He will define morality. But i believe that God is an Entity which is full of love and wisdom. That's personal believe of course (and Christianity's believe also) . So, if God isn't The Absolute White and The Absolute Wisdom, he will make moral mistakes, because their actions will conflict with his teachings, which say that God is full of love, full of wisdom, The Truth, The Pure Holy Light e.t.c. So God is The Absolute Love. So, he is The Abolute White. Of course to axcept someone these, he has firstly to axcept that Love=White
You form your own moral beliefs, such i also do. I say "I am a Christian" but the truth is that almost every man on this earth (maybe except Monks and Holy humans) is mostly an agnostic. I am an agnostic who has searched Christianity, and realised that untill now this religion expresses myself to many matters. Some things you hear them for first time, and you say "these are stupid" but if you search deeper, you will realise that these are the right way. I won't do what many Spiritualists do, i mean to take some things that i like from e.g. Christianity and some things from e.g. Hinduism. If i axcept Christianity, i will axcept all of its teachings. If i discover that calling spirits using with the help of white magic is a healthy activity, then i will forget the Triadic God.
I didn't say that if i axcept with all my heart beyond any doubtness Christianity, that i will be a monk. Or that i will have the will to follow every suggestions, guidelines and advices that God gave us. But when you say "i form my own morality", isn't better to search and find what Higher Entity teaches; It's much better to know this and then maybe try to follow this path, doing might some zick-zack during the path At least you won't be trapped by lies or by arts that are evil. Now you will ask me "how can i find the true religion". Personally i try to fully understand what a religion says and then compare it with my heart's true feelings. I make that and for Christianity and up to now i don't face any contradiction ot problem.
So, once again this kind of quest leads me to this: Christianity can't except that we can handle supernatural forces by our own, or to talk with spiritual entities by our own, because God, as Absolute White, give us of course freedom (someone would say "but freedom for me means to be able to talk with angels without having to use let's say evil tools like ouija board") but this doesn't mean that He will support us if we do something that won't be for our good. God doesn't find good to talk with spirits and so He will not support it.
Now, that this matter of freedom is i think cleared and after some thought, there is a conclusion: Someone can't be a Christian and a White Mage at the same time. Untill now Christianity covers me and i have reasons to suspect that White Magic is not so white as it says it is. Anyway, if someone here practises White Magic, he can tell us his experiences.

A, and SilverTrumpet, yes now i got what you meaned by "Good Show" God/Higher Entity/Nature/Physical Laws bless you