Haha, I can picture Tennant saying those things in the demo. Zog obviously got his villiany tools from the John Pertwee era.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: SSH on Thu 04/12/2008 11:49:42
Interesting how the response to this has differed from the guy looking for ideas about Christian games...
Quote from: SSH on Fri 14/11/2008 18:38:03
How would you have a debate of 2500 people?
Would the Demarchy members have their regular jobs held open for them for a year?
Quote from: Dudeman Thingface on Fri 14/11/2008 20:40:04
I can only see two major problems:
1) Define what you mean by experts, I'm afraid you may be making the grave mistake of mixing up intelligence with wisdom (i.e., just because someone may have an infinite knowledge of politics, doesn't mean they know anything about running a country).
2) Also, I can see someone getting into the constitutional council and causing all kinds of havoc (it has too much power in one place). I would suggest dividing it into the 3 groups. One carries out technocracy laws, one checks that the laws are within constitutional reasoning and another group (consisting of the two together) can opt to vote to overthrow (or, as you said, strike down) unconstitutional rules, however, should the vote succeed. They must also get a 60% agreement vote from the demarchy, and if that fails, they can try to get a 70% vote from the technocracy itself.
This more red tape is simply to eliminate someone getting into the council and making a sudden Hitler-esque (that is, extremely fast) rise to power and to remove the ability for a conspiracy group to secretly take over the constitutional council and force their views. (Almost entirely due to the third point).
Other than that, I still partly get the feeling it is somewhat utopic (you don't really have any contingency plans should something go wrong and you assume it will work out, which won't occur unless you have something akin to Deus Ex's Helios (AI construct)).
Quote from: InCreator on Fri 14/11/2008 18:58:04
There's no end to amount of state policing your idea would need.
To have it flawlessly working, it would require hordes of officials/policing agencies checking backgrounds of wannabe-leader school directors, public service tax rates (so monopolist businessmen would not rip off nation). And of course all this nazi system about citizenship and all this bureaucracy/hair tearing discussions enacting laws would need...
We had such a system. Not same, but close. Communist socialism. It worked on fear... of dark torture cells in local KGB house and a neighbor, who would give you up to nearest party member if you had some criticism talk about government while sipping beer together.
Defensive military? Defensive armies get bombed usually, at least, in modern world... I can imagine building tall drones sitting in a city while artillery reduces it to dust. Sorry, our programmers didn't include routines for offense...
Yeah, I live in democratic republic. Our parliament IS your demarchy. All they do is pass laws to goverment. A soap factory owner proposes low import taxes on soap, a russian spy suggests lower budget on defense, etc etc.
It's a damn corrupted mess where "hand washes a hand". So soap tax laws actually go through, especially when deciding minister gets his share of soap profit as "an anonymous support to his party campaign" or simply something to overseas bank account for retirement days. "No direct power" doesn't mean "no remote power". I don't see how your system could escape corruption here.Quote3) The Constitutional CouncilIs your everday CIA, NSA, KGB, FSB... but without less power? One bad sheep here and whole system becomes corrupt.
While system might be nice on paper, people are not...
It's progressive though. Somewhat utopic.
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Well, my own view is that people are generally stupid, corrupt and easily influenced.
This needs a powerful leader with as little of sub-leaders and bureaucracy as possible.
Absolute monarchy seemed to be most efficient. Not sure how it would work in modern world, though.
Quote from: Nacho on Fri 14/11/2008 18:30:16
I have the idea of making a game of a commputist system.It' s like communist, but effective because the decissions are taken by a computer, not the flawable men.
Of course, live in that society is boring and sooner or later there will be a revolution!
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