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It's almost completely relative. There are probably people who consider me an oldie, and most of them probably haven't been around as long as I. There are people don't consider me an oldie, and they most likely HAVE been around longer than I. I suppose, if who's an oldie is decided democratically, then the more newbies show up, the more oldies are "created".

I still think it's a little selfish. I still think the problem has more to do with the oldies' perception of the newbies than the actual newbies...

Anyone who's been around longer than you.

But this forum DOES revolve around games and status. Status comes from producing or contributing to good games. Why do you think Chrille and Phil Reed and Roy Lazarovich are legends around here? It's certainly not because they post here every day.

It's more that their games that are legendary. Nobody really knows what they're all about (except for Phil, who conveys his personality pretty well in his games and occasional posts.) But I'm better friends with people like Snake, Pesty, Squinky, Timosity, LGM, etc, and I like them for who they are, not whether or not their games are finished. That's just how it works out for me.
I love the King's Quest remakes, but I don't even know who Tierra ARE, and therefore I respect their games, not them. And I can't remember what games you, Ben, are attached to, but it doesn't matter, you're a familliar face and you're generally helpful.
We've never had to think about why we respect one another before. Yes, there may be more newbies nowadays, but it's all relative. And as far as games go, this year is the most promising so far! I really can't think of how this community is suffering.

I don't think it'd work. As I've said, this forum doesn't revolve around games or status, it revolves around getting to know one another. If a newbie were to hang around in the newbie forums for a while, make a few games, then suddenly be accepted into the oldie forums-- he'd still be a newbie, because he wouldn't know anybody there. The problem with newbies is mainly in the mind of the oldies. After a while, some oldies just don't want to meet anybody new. I really hate to say it, but maybe if an oldie has reached the point where they can't deal with any new AGSers (and you can't stop AGS from reaching new people)... maybe it's time for the oldie to take a break from the forums.

Ooh, nifty. Pratchett-esque...

Although it's great when people contribute games to the AGS roster... if you post "sweet FA" then to relative newbies it just seems like you aren't part of the community. Just because you happened to discover AGS before other people, doesn't mean that you can hardly ever give the forums a spin and expect the newer members to know or care about you...

Never happened to me. I've been using the computator nonstop for most of my life.

Helm's gone bitter... Of course this isn't the forum he fondly remembers. Things change. This is the forum that the newbies will fondly remember when they're oldies. I myself am a not-so-oldie, and I don't really have a problem with this forum.

Does any of you new people know who Unilin is? Esseb? Scid? Ghormak? Eric? Jarnokob? Goldmund? Butcher? 2ma2? Andail? In fact, besides my screen name, does any of you know anything about me?

And do you know what that is? Because they don't post much. And your posts are usually too enigmatic to derive much sense of personality from. The newbies will get to know those who are friendly. True oldies can accept change and enjoy it. For every oldie that leaves, a new one is created without anyone realizing.
If you honestly think the forum's gotten so bad, I honestly think that you're taking everything good about it for granted. You'd be hard pressed to find a community as fun, tight, smart, and eclectic as AGS.

I never said Helm's post was honest.

However, I did say he was sometimes 'irrational'.

And I also said he made 'valid points'.

However, sometimes you have to cut through that tough and mighty Greek exterior to understand his true sentimonies!

You never said it, but some others said it.

Helm usually puts a lot of thought into the writing of his posts, but he doesn't seem to think much about how people will react...

If Helm's post is not completely serious, and over-dramatized, and not actually meant completely for Yufster-- how can anybody call that honest? And how could he not expect it to confuse and mislead us?

So can I assume that you waited until you had finished a game before you first joined the AGS community, DG?

Heh, well after 14 pages of sci-fi softcore, some of us want him to branch out.
And I don't mean to sci-fi hardcore.

Regarding Dark Stalkey, If he is really leaving, then I think he is seriously taking the quality of this community for granted.   If AGSforums isn't good company, I'd like to know what is.

Conform. Get IE.

So you think Helm is making a long, half-serious rant about a quick joke Yufster made several days ago? I guess that makes sense. But that puts Helm lower than Yufster on the Self-Censorship scale...

Geez Helm... you commie.

No idea. There's probably newer versions. In any case, if you just want to do midi Cakewalk Pro Audio is more than you need, there are more stripped down versions that can do midi just as easily...

I've got Cakewalk Pro Audio 9.

Yeah, I guess Terry Gilliam was the odd man out in my hypothetical film. He's just one of my favorites. Ok, replace him with an obscure Japanese music video director and it's all gold.