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Reading this thread through again made me understand that nothing here means anything

Not with my skill, but as it is finished, I could probably persuade someone to do it on the bases...

Phew, that would make a book of it's own! I'll add it to the third book. Thanks for the idea... (book = part )

Then I'll get on it The first part will present the common vocabulary fo ryou to get along in the country... then we shall go further on, perhaps a bit grammar, there are no prepositions in Finnish, o rthere are, but they are attached to the main word. Then for the third... hmmm, think of it later 8)

Oh, you were quicker than my edit...

Thanks PyroMonkey!!! I hope it works http://rapidshare.de/files/4545771/LoftheR.mp3.htmlÃ,  Ã, 
If not, I'm in a dead end again
hmm. go to the bottom of the page... click something, I'm having trouble finding out what, but...

Newest edit: go to the bottom and select the green free -box. then go to the bottom of the appearing window... If it don't say Download: LoftheR.mp3 you either must wait or try again... That's how I got it working

If anyone could tell me a site that will host mine and where it wont disappear immediately...
Thank you

I agree. This is for MOST people, that's why we have teachers at school. And to think back, who would really have time and interest in either creating a tutorial troubleshooting section or to ansew questions concerning it.

I understand and I really respect the work you all put on helping us (should I say "us" if I've been using the program for quite a long time )

Sometimes you just have to come straight out and tell them.

You said it there, and I was underlining this statement earlier as I found it said in a not sarcastic way. This is why I must appologise also for using the word "hostile" as it had no convinience here. What really bothers me is that most of the guidance given to you don't come clear for a newbie. I for one need them explained step by step and word by word. I must not attack, but I add here, that it IS indeed easier to tell what to do, than why to do it...
It appears as everyone of course has read the tutorial are expected to understand it. I'm not sure how this is in all cases, but there you have my opinion. Perhaps a thread for guiding through the tutorial was needed. Or can we trust in the common sense Well, I've made my point, or talked what ever comes to mind...

You know, it doesn't always help reading the tutorial over and over. I sometimes have problems that I can't explain and therefor don't find them there. I bet most people who ask questions like this HAVE already read the tutorial or the FAQ for help, why, it's the fastest way for Christ's sake. But I have noticed that some things in the tutorial are not easy to understand at all, and may need a clarification of somekind.
   So where does all the hostility towards newbies come from anyway? So, if I can't understand what some people can. Myself, I've been working on scripting languages etc. for 7 months now approximately, can't figure 'em out still. But I bet if I was helped I could. Well, I'm not asking, but hey... Read the freaking scripting tutorial!

This is but my opinion, and as I wish to point out, I do understand those with different opinions.

This lil kid is so clever. There's naught he can't do with his blue rattling thingamabob!Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã, 

WOWOW! my first two-page-thread! Thanks King_Nipper, I did think of that, and I thought if I should draw the houses further away from each other. The village looks kinda stuffed doesn't it now!

Guess what I tried with the wooden one there was to create a kind of atmosphere... that-sort-of-thing, But before I go changing it furthermore, I'd appreciate an another opinion on the case...

this sounds nice.. I think I'll enter too later on...

you might want to try somem green shades then. Don't work in real live, but in pictures it helps

actually the guy's head DOES look like he was a robot... or that he had some weird liver-disease... Corey's got a point... But that might be intented

But wouldn't that be... unethical?

un...eth... is that a word? never heard...  :o

Indeed, Should we make a Finnish tutorial... The basics of the Finnish language part 1-3

Well, then. I wondered where you came from... believe me, referring to German word would have been much easier if I knew you were german Aber es war doch ein supergut Englischübung für mich.. so lernte ich meine Englisch zu entwickeln, or something like that

Finland:
- Helsingin Sanomat = with hard G as in "go" and a sharp "S"Ã,  "sleep". then just mumble. Intonate the first syllaples as in HEL-sin-gin SA-no-mat. but not too clearly, finnish is quite passive language( we move the tongue as less as possible )

- Iltalehti = make the h sound, don't swallow it as in English. And hard T letters too. Intonate on IL-ta-lEH-ti, as in not the l -letter...

- Ilta-Sanomat = Again, the "sanomat" -word with sharp "s"
Well, you know the ilta and the Sanomat...

- Aamulehti = This one's easy... stretch the "a" as it is doubled and should sound like that. The the intonation is on AA-Mu-leh-ti, we tend to swallow the end, but not always... no intonation on the "lehti" then. or then again some might, but as it comes from Tampere, and I'm from there too, so...

- Etelä-Suomen Sanomat.. wow, hard one... don't use this one. But if you insist, E-TE-lä-Suo-men -SA-no-mat... remember the "s" in front phenomenon. Oh, and trhe first twoÃ,  words are said together, don' tmind the - there, it's just the writing style

- (Keskisuomalainen) I think no-one seriously reads this one It's a tiny paper only in the central Finland... or big in Finnish scale...Ã,  But if you will, point out the "uo" combination, after all, they are different letters. You might divide it into Keski Suomalainen, but it should be said together. intonation goes KES-ki SUo-ma lai-nen... And btw, this paper sucks. no real news, I mean the reprters are bad...

I mightÃ,  say: the most important thing is to pronounce the letters as letters individually. As a formula driver says, tö roud vas veri slipöri, änd I häd tu gou tu tö pit. Think how to pronounce this... (the road was very slippery, and I had to go to the pit). You see the way thing sare roughly pronounced.

Then the a, e, i, o, u, y (lucky there's none of these) å, ä, ö... make the difference sound in them.

A = car.. so say "car", there is no other way to pronounce a in Finnish.
E = message... try out the 1st E in the word message. that's the only way to say it.
I = here's the trick. try "teeth", "week", and the "it", and you get the point. English E may sound like the finnish i, but Finnish E may never!
O = "dog", nothing else, not "go", not "fool", butÃ,  "floor", the only way
U = here "fool"... Also the ou, as in you is a match... but no other way.
Y = this is hard, there's no word in English in which this would appear, matches the German letter ü... Actually there's no such voice ever heard in English text, so...
Å  = comes from Sweden, and is always and forever the same as Finnish O.. the difference only exists in Swedish...
Ã,, = Imagine the word "that" then say "thaaaaaaat" with the back of your throat, as in A the tongue is flat, but here it is closer to the "roof", with mouth wide.
Ö = dark voice... the bear says mörrrrr... comes from the nack of throat too, close to O with the same principle as in the latter. but this time , lips tight forming an O on themÃ,  :o this way. can' tfind a word to help pronouncing this either...

And the c, d, f, g, h, j, k, l, m, n, p, q, r.... are hard and clear... uh., oh, I got excited, well, this should help at least a bit.

This is Tuomas Renvall, your own personal Finnish teacher answering all you can ever ask about Finnish language. Don't be a fraid to PM meÃ,  8)

I'd say there appears to be no more countries than Finland... Was about to say those myself, but someone...oneS were too quick