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@Matti - regarding the nazi metaphor

Think about it this way: if the Nazis had won the darn war, WOULD that person have been seen as a bad person today? It's the winners who write and shape history, and since the War ended the way it did, those things are now looked down on. But I digress: comparing 1940's world to modern world is just as ridiculous as comparing the dark ages to modern days. These are different times and different things are effective now.

Also, for the record: I haven't gone to church since I finished 9th grade in 2005. It was mandaroty on christmas to go to church, but at heart I am an atheist. Religion is of no matter in thus subject and I find it silly you even brought it up when we are taling about laws and their meaning in relation to the recent riots, when these matters are and should remain completely separate from religious matters.

@ Calin:
1. And all of the examples you mention were ineffective in solving crimes and finding the correct criminal because the technology and sciences weren't even born, or were in their infancy. The comparison is invalid.

3. No we don't get more people in prison because we KILL them. Isn't my view on this quite obvious already?

On killing innocents: is it any better when I get, wrongfully, accused of murdering my family today and I end up in jail for the rest of my life, suffering from prison violence, my life in ruins? Yeah, that WOULD be much better... Oh, wait. NO IT WOULDN'T!!!   Even if I spent only a few months in prison, the lenghty trial in courts, the media and publicity and the outcry would still mean I would have lost my friends, my job, my home, everything. So what, I'll just be a happy puppy and go back and start over, not at all pissed off? NO! I would F****G commit suicide rather than go through that!

Lastly: "Final Solution" is a phrase that consists of two words. Just like the swastika, their meanings and sources are many and using them does not have any relation to the historical figures or events you are quite clearly referring to. Feel free to be stunned, but please do not be childish. They are and have always been mere words and symbols, nothing more.

So mr. Matti would start a civil war for.... his right to -- loot shops and burn cars. I'd hang you too. Especially if you burned my car and looted my shop because one of your criminal buddies got what he deserved -- or even if not and it was mistake.

Agreed. Hanged for the greater good of the public, crime: dissention and encouragement of people to riot agains government, with potential to damage to public property and threat for human life

1. Dark Ages were brutal times becuse life WAS brutal then. Law enforcement was a joke. Criminal investigation did not exist. People were burnt as witches for chrissakes! You can't compare those times to today, because that was in THE PAST!

2. In middle east the situation is quite different. The dividing of wealth is far more unbalanced and people living in porverty over there actually DO live in poverty, while in Europe living in porverty means you can's afford more than three big-macs per week, you ONLY have an old 19" TV, and you'r apartment needs more paint to look nice. In middle east people live under quite literal tyranny. Funny, that's just like europe did IN THE DARK AGES you spout so much about Calin.

3. If punishments were tougher, crime would be deterred. As a result of this, quality of criminal investigation would go up as more resources are available per case. As a result of this, error rates in judgements go down.

I admit, no perfect system can be created. Mistakes WILL be made and innocent people will eventually be found guilty and punished. Now we must think: does the number of innocent lives lost due to such mistakes weigh more than those innocent lives saved when hardcore criminals who might have been released back into the system are now put down like animals instead?

I believe the lowered hard-crime rates would make the system far more manageable, cheap and practical.

And Calin, when you say "you can't take back a bullet", how much good does it do when you CAN take back a life sentence? People have spent decades in maximum security prisons and have later been found innocent. Do these people just suddenly bouce back into the society? Get jobs? Social lives? Homes? An iPod?

F*** NO! (Well, maybe Amnesty International will get them the iPod if they do some publicity stunts for them) They spend the rest of their lives as social outcasts, miserable and hateful for the wrong that was done to them.

Yeah... That's MUCH better, safer and cheaper than my "final solution". There is NO WAY these people, after being released, would seek any kind of revenge on society AT ALL!

So we're now trapped, low on supplies and the forest seems unwilling to let us escape. I say we make camp and rest. Maybe night will bring a change in the forest, or maybe someone will come looking for us in the morning.

> Check undergrowth for signs of animal life
> Check undergrowth for edible plants or berries you might identify
> Gather edible plats and berries you might find

> Find small trees and use swiss army knife to cut them down to size, in order to create frame for shelter
> Cut and gather leafy branches to make a roof for shelter

I somehow feel this is in order.
http://oglaf.com/media/comic/Fountain_of_Doubt.jpg
(Warning, do not browse the rest of that site, it's mostly porn)

In fact studies have shown that one of the reasons for recidivism (thats being rearrested after being released) is the violent culture within prisons and the assault levels (70%) between prisoners. So realistically *making* them fight each other is unlikely to help.

So if they are afraid of the threat of fighting one another in prison, they try not to commit more crimes after release.
But you are saying that if we make the violence among inmates mandatory and show it to the whole wide world on TV in a way that everyone knows exactly what awaits them after arrest on hard crime charges, that somehow would NOT deter crime?

I am confused, Calin...

(Also the death penalty doesnt work as a deterrent either and it costs a *fortune*)

A 9mm bullet or three in the head is not that expensive. It's the "humane" way to administer the punishment that is costly, and unnecessary. As is the waiting time on death row.
These issues are easy to fix if we take human rights away from those who commit hard crime.

[> Search for something long and sturdy in your inventory]

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> Search for something long and sturdy in your inventory

You search your inventory for something matching the description:
Your inventory consists of:
- Pieces of shattered metal pipe with two pieces of your old pants tied to them
- Large shard of glass
- The dead man's ID card

You DO have something else that matches the description, but unfortunately that's permanently attached to your body and you are hesitant to whip it out just for this.



> Examine door

The metal door moved for less than a millimeter, and you don't think you can slide anything under it as it is.

> Examine poster on wall

The poster is made of cardboard and appears to have been hot-glued to the wall.

Anyway, episode six is up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKvHhACL2VI

I was supposed to sleep! 

It has happened: my own game managed, during testing, to scare me enought to get me to go turn on the lights in the apartment and check that there isn't anyone standing outside of the front door. I have a good feeling about this now. 

Currently picking audio for the demo. After I get most or all of the audio in, I'll be sending this out to the testers. Like I said earlier, I'm a bit behind schedule, but as long as my testers do a good job, this should be done in a week, maximum, from now!

Already implemented music, footstep sounds and some special stuff! I'm hoping you people will enjoy!

[> Press the green button to see what happens]

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> Press the green button to see what happens

You press the green button. There is a barely audible whirring noise coming from the door to the right, and you think it moved ever so slightly, but the sound stops almost immediately and the mechanism falls silent once more.

Okay, let's finally do the realistic thing here:

> Call out for help, shouting at the top of your lungs
> Wait and listen if anyone responds
> Realize that shouting might have been more effective from the top of the tree
> Mope

[> Reply, that you are Joe, the pizza-guy and that you have been left behind, when all of the staff get shot at the green level]

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> Reply, that you are Joe, the pizza-guy and that you have been left behind, when all of the staff get shot at the green level

You take a deep breath and respond, wondering if you have some sort of mild tourettes or something going on:
You: "Hello? Yeah, this is Joe, the pizza-guy. I got left behind when people started getting shot on the green level so..."



Voice: "WHAT!? Who is th*static* ...ck joke you OC fuckers! Get off this channel or I swear to*static*"
The voice is definitely female, and she sounds agitated. The line fades to static and then goes dead with an audible beep. You think the other person has disconnected.

So much for you chance of getting answers from there, then...

[> Talk to voice in headset]

> Talk to voice in headset

You need to be more specific, say WHAT to the headset?

[>Take headset. Put on headset. Eavesdrop.]

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>Take headset. Put on headset. Eavesdrop.
You snatch the dead man's headset (you have to put your magnificent helmet aside to get the headset onto your ear, though, the pan is now on the chair in the corner).

The crackling voice continues to speak and you listen intently.
Voice: "Hello? Greg, Charlie, *static* ...anyone in green sector? What the heck is going on *static*...lost all the surveill*static* at once! Anyone? Has anyone seen... *static* Please, respond!"

Perhaps overtly simplified, but in essence, yes.
Love the pics, kconan! 

No reason to believe anything is unfriendly so far. As far as I know we don't have a pen to write with, though...

When their views include throwing petty criminals into gladiatorial areas, um... yes. I mean, fuck, "lets just put all criminals in an arena and commercialize their deaths"? Are you serious?

Now, you see, that's not what is being said. See the distinction between two levels of crime in the tirade I've linked below.
Shoplifting a candy bar is petty crime, but a full-blown riot with looting and violence is NOT petty crime.
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=44166.msg590446#msg590446

[> Examine pillar]

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> Examine pillar

You look at the pillar and discover it is actually a small desk. It is hollow on the side of the chair next to it, and has some empty legroom inside. Other than that, there is nothing remarkable about the desk, save for the two buttons attached to the wall above it.

You hear a crackling little voice coming from the headset attached to the dead man's ear. It sounds like someone's calling out, but you can't make out any of the words.

[> Take dead man’s pants and wear them]

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> Take dead man’s pants and wear them

You cringe and remove the dead man's pants. He... is not wearing underwear... This makes you uncomfortable.
You take the pants from the corpse and swap pants with him. You decide you don't have time to re-dress the dead, and instead simply place your tattered pants over the deceased to cover his... well, you know what!

The TV screen buzzes for a moment and turns off on its own...

Well, we have no way to call for help in sight, and we are not in imminent danger, unless the car explodes...
*waits for a momen*
No, not looking like it will explode. Okay, I say we put all we learned from watching survival guides on discovery channel into use, and head back the way we came, continuing in the same direction until we find some sort of landmark or help. Or until we spot a shiny light in the forest, at which point we must GO INVESTIGATE!

As we apparently do not have a bag for the laptop, and we might need our hands, I still say leave it behind.

> Leave laptop in trunk
> Lock trunk
> Head back along the direction we scouted earlier
> Keep ears open, hoping to hear sounds of cars passing by, or any other signs of civilization